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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 20:59:42 GMT
I think we have failed badly in this window again. Mata is terrific. Pure quality. No issue there. High fives in the board room. Sip Champagne lads. Job well done. Not quite. CM and LB are a major major concern. If RVP , Rooney, Mata and Adnan don't start every game from now till the end we will not finish in 4th . Simple. CM has been so recklessly abandoned by the late ferguson years and now by the new regime it is bordering on the criminal.
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Post by Stew on Jan 31, 2014 21:05:09 GMT
Interesting how things have have panned out. Fergie retired to spend more time with his wife in New York enjoying the culture. Seven months later he joins Europe curiously not far from Gill. The two also got Moyes who didn't cost a lot and unlike any other top managers has obviously promised to keep within tight budgets. Moyes spends £30 million last year after a lot of promises. Then this year he spends £40 million after a lot of promises and forced on him by a disastrous conclusion of the season. Whether we make 4th or not I bet we spend no more than £40 million. While at the same time of loading a group of players to balance the books. I might be wrong but I think Moyes and Woodward are trying to buy in seasonal tranches of about £40 million maximum and filling important positions. I think Fergie gave the clue in saying the transformation will be long and arduous. I expect two players in summer and one or two next January (2015). I bet Moyes he knows he has three years to build the team through this method. I also think players will be released like Rio but not replaced. The team will be reduced until young players and the new form a team in 2016. Good post. It's also something I can see the Glazers buying into as well from their expierence with their NFL team, most NFL teams go on a re-building era. However I wonder if they will all stick to their guns if we miss out on the champions Lg and our stock starts sliding. I don't think we will ever do a Leeds United but it could become uneasy for the club and thats when people tend to make rash descions. The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 21:13:53 GMT
Good post. It's also something I can see the Glazers buying into as well from their expierence with their NFL team, most NFL teams go on a re-building era. However I wonder if they will all stick to their guns if we miss out on the champions Lg and our stock starts sliding. I don't think we will ever do a Leeds United but it could become uneasy for the club and thats when people tend to make rash descions. The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. I don't necessary agree with this sentiment stew. These cunts know that in Manchester United they have the very biggest sporting brand in the world. They could sell us for 1.5 billion in the morning to an arab outfit. They are sitting pretty. I would bet my last fiver that when their debt on the investment that was incurred in buying us has been cleared we will go to auction. It will then only be a matter of how many hundreds of million they get from their investment. In fact It will probably be in the billions. We call them gimps. Businessmen call them genius. Football fans call them scum.
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Post by smithy2 on Jan 31, 2014 21:18:24 GMT
Good post. It's also something I can see the Glazers buying into as well from their expierence with their NFL team, most NFL teams go on a re-building era. However I wonder if they will all stick to their guns if we miss out on the champions Lg and our stock starts sliding. I don't think we will ever do a Leeds United but it could become uneasy for the club and thats when people tend to make rash descions. The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. Don't doubt that but what I'm saying is I can see them being on board with a "re-building period". If they stick to this sentiment is a different matter completley.
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Post by bharris on Jan 31, 2014 21:29:32 GMT
Good post. It's also something I can see the Glazers buying into as well from their expierence with their NFL team, most NFL teams go on a re-building era. However I wonder if they will all stick to their guns if we miss out on the champions Lg and our stock starts sliding. I don't think we will ever do a Leeds United but it could become uneasy for the club and thats when people tend to make rash descions. The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. One thing that pains me is seeing Liverpool having a great example of an American owner -- I would swap the Glazers with John Henry any day. He is a guy who knows how to run a sporting business of this size, my friend lives in Boston and says that (most of) the Red Sox fans don't have a bad word to say about him in terms of investing, building, and securing the future of their club. I know Henry & the Glazers own US teams who play different sports in the US but at the end of a day teams of this magnitude are essentially businesses for them, whilst the Red Sox are at the top of their game (both in performance & development) the Buccaneers aren't exactly consistently high performers (if I'm being harsh they are consistently poor) and from what I know their popularity with the teams' fans differ vastly; Henry has restored honour to his team and the fans love him for that, whereas the Glazers have left their team to essentially rot away whilst still filling their pockets, and opinions of them aren't that positive.
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Post by Kamilo on Jan 31, 2014 21:35:02 GMT
Time for a summer 2014 thread?
At least now in addition to a couple of CMs, a LB, we can add CB and maybe some wingers to the list.
Ps I do hope Nani is moved on today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 21:59:42 GMT
So the two glaringly obvious weaknesses in our team have once again been ignored, not only that we have loaned/sold our two reserve LBs, leaving us with Evra as our only LB (Buttner doesnt count). Genius. Is Tunnicliffe really worse than Giggs in CM? I cant believe Rene would want him if he is. Its just as well Valencia is the best winger in World Football, I have lost count of his goals and assists, he is so good infact that he needs no competition for his place, squad depth is vastly over-rated anyway. We are playing the worst Football I have seen in my 30 years of watching Manchester United. What is even worse than the quality of the Football is the lack of fight, the dropping of standards is scandalous. There is zero confidence. Whos to blame? Who has turned a side that have been Champions in 5 of the last 8 seasons to sub-Everton levels? Into a mirror image of his gormless self? David Moyes. Who is responsible for the worst decision in the History of Manchester United and who is too fucking stubborn to admit they fucked up big time and rectify their massive error? SAF. Moyes claimed he knew what was needed when he arrived, he did bid for Baines but Everton wouldnt play ball which is unfortunate for us as he is the only LB currently playing Football. Two windows have passed and we couldnt even find 1 LB! Seriously? Moyes is negative, he is tactically clueless and totally bereft of anything resembling a philosophy of play, never mind our usual exciting style that has attracted our World wide support (that isnt guaranteed to stick around for our Everton years). We need a manager that can get the best out of our players, not strip their confidence to shredds. Moyes needs to fuck off ASAP, if Fergie doesnt like it he can fuck off too. Broken record. Said the aptly located Ostrich.
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Post by _ on Jan 31, 2014 22:02:52 GMT
Good post. It's also something I can see the Glazers buying into as well from their expierence with their NFL team, most NFL teams go on a re-building era. However I wonder if they will all stick to their guns if we miss out on the champions Lg and our stock starts sliding. I don't think we will ever do a Leeds United but it could become uneasy for the club and thats when people tend to make rash descions. The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. Stewart I think you have to take into consideration the Buccs results before the Glazers and after the takeover in 1995. It parallels their takeover of United in 2005. United then had the building blocks of a great side and three years later we won CL. The Buccs were the same, especially since the NFL allows draft picks for disadvantaged clubs which the Buccs took advantage of from 1995. I think they won the NFL in 2003 with a big win in the Super Bowl. If you look at the Glazers business history they buy with the best possible timing. Almost a case of wondering if there was insider trading. They are always highly geared, which was a business trait of the 80s, and then use their companies as cash cows in the traditional asset stripper style. Such organisations live by fixed budgets and long term cash accounts. In this context I just don't think Moyes can spend more than a fixed amount and I believe that figure is presently £40 million per tranche. In the summer I expect another £40 million limit topped up with sales. There were be lots of promises and I think we will get Possibly two players each of about £20 million unless big sales like Nani or Anderson. Then the season will kick off with four new players, the loaned youngsters will be back, and the old squad reduced. Then the process will continue again. I don't like it but its hard business and so far it has worked for the Glazers.
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Post by Stew on Jan 31, 2014 22:11:14 GMT
The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. I don't necessary agree with this sentiment stew. These cunts know that in Manchester United they have the very biggest sporting brand in the world. They could sell us for 1.5 billion in the morning to an arab outfit. They are sitting pretty. I would bet my last fiver that when their debt on the investment that was incurred in buying us has been cleared we will go to auction. It will then only be a matter of how many hundreds of million they get from their investment. In fact It will probably be in the billions. We call them gimps. Businessmen call them genius. Football fans call them scum. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are fools, not by any means. But the Bucs are a wretched team, year in year out. There are huge differences between them and Utd but they have never gone on a rebuilding programme with the Bucs. They're happy to allow key players to leave and replace them through youngsters out of college. Their wags bill is among the bottom 3 in the NFL. If they spend big to revive Utd it's because they are protecting their valued investment, not because they've learned it from their experience in American sport.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 22:13:27 GMT
Have to laugh at all the build up by Sky Sports News for deadline day and the presenters are resigned to faux creaming over the relegation fodder panic buying nobodies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 22:15:01 GMT
Said the aptly located Ostrich. Your thinking of Africa
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Post by pav on Jan 31, 2014 22:16:20 GMT
Hi all, new postcrippleen reading the forum for a while.
Not sure why i chose january deadline day to register and post? Quite possibly the most depressing one yet.
Crying out for Fernando and nothing.
Have to disagree about the Glazers. They have crippled the club in the transfer market. We used to be able to blow people out of the water, and now we are limited to one major signing a window
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Post by Stew on Jan 31, 2014 22:19:34 GMT
The Glazers are considered by most to be among the very worst owners in the NFL and the Bucs are almost regimented in their dreadfulness year after year. If you are looking to them to tap into their experience there to turn Utd around then don't. Stewart I think you have to take into consideration the Buccs results before the Glazers and after the takeover in 1995. It parallels their takeover of United in 2005. United then had the building blocks of a great side and three years later we won CL. The Buccs were the same, especially since the NFL allows draft picks for disadvantaged clubs which the Buccs took advantage of from 1995. I think they won the NFL in 2003 with a big win in the Super Bowl. If you look at the Glazers business history they buy with the best possible timing. Almost a case of wondering if there was insider trading. They are always highly geared, which was a business trait of the 80s, and then use their companies as cash cows in the traditional asset stripper style. Such organisations live by fixed budgets and long term cash accounts. In this context I just don't think Moyes can spend more than a fixed amount and I believe that figure is presently £40 million per tranche. In the summer I expect another £40 million limit topped up with sales. There were be lots of promises and I think we will get Possibly two players each of about £20 million unless big sales like Nani or Anderson. Then the season will kick off with four new players, the loaned youngsters will be back, and the old squad reduced. Then the process will continue again. I don't like it but its hard business and so far it has worked for the Glazers. Phil, the Bucs Super Bowl win was pretty much due to incredible coaching coupled with their drafting of college picks coming good. Far more revealing (which I think you are hinting at) is the subsequent years, when the club was allowed to drift apart, key players being allowed to run down contracts and coaches being fired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 22:25:42 GMT
Said the aptly located Ostrich. Your thinking of Africa They are related, Emu - Ostrich, who cares, point remains valid. Feel free to ignore if I`m boring you.
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Post by smithy2 on Jan 31, 2014 22:27:19 GMT
Hi all, new postcrippleen reading the forum for a while. Not sure why i chose january deadline day to register and post? Quite possibly the most depressing one yet. Crying out for Fernando and nothing. Have to disagree about the Glazers. They have crippled the club in the transfer market. We used to be able to blow people out of the water, and now we are limited to one major signing a window I don't think we ever "blew anyone out of the water". We had some big signings later on in the Fergie years but he was always pretty shrewd early on, we could never compete with the buying power of Real Madrid for example.
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