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Post by Bestie on Sept 5, 2014 18:50:06 GMT
The thing is it is not how he plays in terms of stats...it is what he brings to the team and how he affects the overall balance. IMHO he doesn't stick to his job in staying up front...he comes back too much and interferes with midfield, which has the knock on effect of leaving the midfield nobody to pass the ball forward to because Rooney is either standing next to them or sometimes behind them... Without Rooney we have a number of far better options and formations...with Rooney, we are limited and one dimensional...he may have been our best of the worst last season but he is a long way from the best of the best this season...simply put we don't need him and are probably better off without him...and that is in purely football terms notwithstanding his general c*ntishness... Now we have some opitions and I agree if Rooney is holding us back then he deserves to sit on the bench. Last year I don't think that was the case due to RVp's fitness, Kagawa struggled all year, Welbeck couldn't find his scoring boots, Hernandez didnt have enough presence to build a team around him and Mata was a new signing. I hear what some of you are saying and I agree his first few games this season havent been the most convincing, however as I said before he's a proven goal scorer at this level, he's the captain and I think he deserves a fair chance. Lets see how he does with the new lads and then we can judge him. Kagawa struggled as he wasn't ever given a run of games in his actual position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Danny Welbeck didn't get the chance to find his scoring boots playing out of position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Hernandez had a substantial presence when he was able to play with Kagawa and Mata. That didn't happen very often because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Mata didn't get the opportunity to play in his best position because ... Wayne Rooney was in the way. I'm not saying we definitely would have been better off without Wayne Rooney last season, but there is one common denominator for a lot of the issues with particular players underperforming. Oh, and should Rooney really be given a chance? Like Kagawa was you mean?
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Post by washyourhands on Sept 5, 2014 18:51:10 GMT
I clicked on the top opition as it was really the only choice, however no one is a nailed on starter and If rooney is getting outperformed by someone in the club then he should be on the bench. Propbelm is over the last year Rooney has been the best of the worst. The thing is it is not how he plays in terms of stats...it is what he brings to the team and how he affects the overall balance. IMHO he doesn't stick to his job in staying up front...he comes back too much and interferes with midfield, which has the knock on effect of leaving the midfield nobody to pass the ball forward to because Rooney is either standing next to them or sometimes behind them... Without Rooney we have a number of far better options and formations...with Rooney, we are limited and one dimensional...he may have been our best of the worst last season but he is a long way from the best of the best this season...simply put we don't need him and are probably better off without him...and that is in purely football terms notwithstanding his general c*ntishness... Spot on mate. Rooney's laughable, bloated sense of his own abilities leads him to meddle in the midfield; he has convinced himself that he is a no 10 or even creative cm when in fact he is neither. Leon bloody Britten is a better CM and Robbie Blake a better no 10. He does not know how to play in these positions because he has neither the awareness of space or anticipation of movement that they require. He ends up making play slow and disjointed. I think the arrival of Di Maria and Falcao will expose him in the way that RvP's finishing did when he arrived. If anything, Rooney is a no 9, pure and simple. His delusional insistence that he is a no 10 has eroded those qualities that he did have; the devestating shot, the power that were synonymous with him from 04-10 have all but disappeared. Can anyone imagine him scoring the kind of volley he did against Newcastle in his opening season? This is what happens when ego outstrips ability, and Moyes fed that ego. I am certain Van Gaal won't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 18:53:02 GMT
Now we have some opitions and I agree if Rooney is holding us back then he deserves to sit on the bench. Last year I don't think that was the case due to RVp's fitness, Kagawa struggled all year, Welbeck couldn't find his scoring boots, Hernandez didnt have enough presence to build a team around him and Mata was a new signing. I hear what some of you are saying and I agree his first few games this season havent been the most convincing, however as I said before he's a proven goal scorer at this level, he's the captain and I think he deserves a fair chance. Lets see how he does with the new lads and then we can judge him. Kagawa struggled as he wasn't ever given a run of games in his actual position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Danny Welbeck didn't get the chance to find his scoring boots playing out of position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Hernandez had a substantial presence when he was able to play with Kagawa and Mata. That didn't happen very often because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Mata didn't get the opportunity to play in his best position because ... Wayne Rooney was in the way. I'm not saying we definitely would have been better off without Wayne Rooney last season, but there is one common denominator for a lot of the issues with particular players underperforming. Oh, and should Rooney really be given a chance? Like Kagawa was you mean? Fuck me mate. Rooney is responsible for all things bad UTD? Come on.
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Post by jimleightonslenses on Sept 5, 2014 18:55:47 GMT
Peter Davenport > Wayne Rooney
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Post by Bestie on Sept 5, 2014 18:55:48 GMT
Kagawa struggled as he wasn't ever given a run of games in his actual position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Danny Welbeck didn't get the chance to find his scoring boots playing out of position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Hernandez had a substantial presence when he was able to play with Kagawa and Mata. That didn't happen very often because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Mata didn't get the opportunity to play in his best position because ... Wayne Rooney was in the way. I'm not saying we definitely would have been better off without Wayne Rooney last season, but there is one common denominator for a lot of the issues with particular players underperforming. Oh, and should Rooney really be given a chance? Like Kagawa was you mean? Fuck me mate. Rooney is responsible for all things bad UTD? Come on. I didn't say that. All the point I'm making is that there are a hell of a lot of 'What Ifs' that come out when you consider a Manchester United squad without an undroppable Wayne Rooney in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 19:02:02 GMT
Fuck me mate. Rooney is responsible for all things bad UTD? Come on. I didn't say that. All the point I'm making is that there are a hell of a lot of 'What Ifs' that come out when you consider a Manchester United squad without an undroppable Wayne Rooney in it. I agree. But I also think players should be responsible for their own performances and as much as rooney has declined I wouldn't blame him for any of the above under performing. I think rooney will leave Manchester United in the next 18 months. I agree that his level has hit the floor and all this shite of playing him deep and as a 10 is nonsense. Rooney should be tasked with replicating Suarez's scoring tally from last season and measured accordingly. He needs to start racking up 25+ pl goals a season or else he is not paying his way. The falcao transfer is hugely significant. LVG is not happy with his strikers and that is clear.
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Post by caino on Sept 5, 2014 20:23:45 GMT
Completely disagree with his pay package but he's still a goal scorer, might not hit the heights he should have but there's still time and under our new manager he can still add something to the team. I don't think it's his fault for Danny Welbeck leaving or not getting a proper chance in the team, that was his own doings, we all knows he's not a natural finisher and he doesn't have that brutality in front of goal.
I say give him until January and if he's not up to scratch sell him and cash in whilst there's still chance. For his sake and the clubs. I could see enough teams wanting him; Madrid, Munich, PSG. If we sold him we could get two top additions that would impove the squad massively.
LVG won't dither with him though that's for certain!
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Post by reed on Sept 5, 2014 21:38:37 GMT
I do not know why you guys bother to talk about Rooney. It is just like talking about how stinky shit is. Everyone has known for very long time that Rooney had hit his peak and regressed to the floor level. But the british media has not been able to buy that idea and kept praising him as he is the best player in the world. Most of current troubles of our club in last 2-3 years consist of lacking of proper CM and Rooney. Now the first problem is partially solved, so we should go on with the second issue and get rid of it. Is it too difficult?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 21:57:02 GMT
I do not know why you guys bother to talk about Rooney. It is just like talking about how stinky shit is. Everyone has known for very long time that Rooney had hit his peak and regressed to the floor level. But the british media has not been able to buy that idea and kept praising him as he is the best player in the world. Most of current troubles of our club in last 2-3 years consist of lacking of proper CM and Rooney. Now the first problem is partially solved, so we should go on with the second issue and get rid of it. Is it too difficult? Agree somewhat. But our failings as a club should not be landed at Rooneys door. We have had managers and chief execs that bought into him. Our troubles as a club go way beyond Rooney. Poor selection by SAF on who succeeds him ranks right up there. No individual factor has us where we are. An accumulation of poor decisions has cost us. Rooney has played top flight football since he was 16 year old. The miles on the clock now have him suffering so badly that his top level career is in jeopardy to some degree. LVG came in and moved players out that our supporters had an almost blind faith in. Rooney is no different. There are no more sentimental football decisions being made which is only good for us.
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Post by grandpaTJ on Sept 5, 2014 22:06:03 GMT
The problem I have with the "Give him a Chance" option is: What World Class, or potential world class player should sit on the bench while Rooney runs around like a chicken with his head cut off?? The longer the new players sit, the longer it is to get them to gel together and make a run at CL and maybe even the PL Trophy. Makes more sense to me to sit him down and let the new/young players have a chance to prove what they can do, that is why the money was spent isn't it???
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Post by stringer on Sept 5, 2014 23:40:30 GMT
2013/14 Prem Season 29Games 17Goals 10 assists Not bad considering the way we played last year under a new manager. I say lets wait and see how he gets on in the next couple of months before we talk of " selling him" Great personal stats those. How'd the team do, how many games did we win? So we shouldn't consider anyone's contribution last season because we finished 7th? That makes zero sense.
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Post by stringer on Sept 5, 2014 23:43:44 GMT
Kagawa struggled as he wasn't ever given a run of games in his actual position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Danny Welbeck didn't get the chance to find his scoring boots playing out of position because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Hernandez had a substantial presence when he was able to play with Kagawa and Mata. That didn't happen very often because Wayne Rooney was in the way. Mata didn't get the opportunity to play in his best position because ... Wayne Rooney was in the way. I'm not saying we definitely would have been better off without Wayne Rooney last season, but there is one common denominator for a lot of the issues with particular players underperforming. Oh, and should Rooney really be given a chance? Like Kagawa was you mean? Fuck me mate. Rooney is responsible for all things bad UTD? Come on. It's ridiculous. No one is responsible for their own play because Rooney ruins everything. Give me a break.
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Post by stringer on Sept 5, 2014 23:56:35 GMT
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Post by Deez on Sept 6, 2014 2:42:49 GMT
I do not know why you guys bother to talk about Rooney. It is just like talking about how stinky shit is. Everyone has known for very long time that Rooney had hit his peak and regressed to the floor level. But the british media has not been able to buy that idea and kept praising him as he is the best player in the world. Most of current troubles of our club in last 2-3 years consist of lacking of proper CM and Rooney. Now the first problem is partially solved, so we should go on with the second issue and get rid of it. Is it too difficult? Agree somewhat. But our failings as a club should not be landed at Rooneys door. We have had managers and chief execs that bought into him. Our troubles as a club go way beyond Rooney. Poor selection by SAF on who succeeds him ranks right up there. No individual factor has us where we are. An accumulation of poor decisions has cost us. Rooney has played top flight football since he was 16 year old. The miles on the clock now have him suffering so badly that his top level career is in jeopardy to some degree. LVG came in and moved players out that our supporters had an almost blind faith in. Rooney is no different. There are no more sentimental football decisions being made which is only good for us. Sounds strange but I am quite glad Moyes took over after SAF (bar Rooney contract) purely because it gave us as fans a taste of mediocrity (e.g bindippers) so now we can genuinely appreciate the success we have. Not that we didn't but it's better to have experienced being utter wank then regain our utter dominance so we can remember that we have to be as snobby and pompus as we can, while we can.
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Post by Deez on Sept 6, 2014 2:45:47 GMT
He has connections with United and England. It's like G Nev,bhebgets football and I genuinely believe he has the same mind set as us regarding Rooney but they can't say it because it Will damage ties and severe relationships at the club.
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