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Post by weetomsligaments on Oct 12, 2016 16:35:41 GMT
If Schneiderlin isn't meant to be I'd be very happy with Dier. Less happy with whatever price that cunt Levy gouges out of us though. Dier strikes me as a Matic type player. Big, strong, hard running, but lacks the skill to play a proper forward pass. Herrera should be first choice while Scneiderlin is his understudy. Just dont see a need for Dier once Mourinho goes to a single pivot 3 man CM.
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Post by Stew on Oct 13, 2016 6:35:06 GMT
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Post by redcase on Oct 13, 2016 8:27:31 GMT
They are a bunch of gutless swine. Comfortable to sit in their high chairs and be politically correct and proper and absolve themselves of all responsibility. Those polished armchairs they sit on would know more about football than this lot . All the leadership and mentality of a glass of tepid water. With this lot at the helm, the English football team will never go anywhere. It's not like they're that good anyway, but they can be doing a fucking lot better than what they currently are.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 13, 2016 8:44:46 GMT
Give him the job. It'll be a laugh.
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Post by . on Oct 13, 2016 9:41:15 GMT
Southgate's team could easily have been on the wrong end of a 5-nil thrashing --- and yet they give him the job? (or want to?) It's absolutely madness! I was talking with the football skills coach of my son's team today (an Englishman who played in West Ham, Aston Villa, junior sides, & Coventry Div I.) about how poor this England squad is compared to basically all of the English sides in recent history going back to maybe the 1980s. How is this possible that after all of the money and influx of foreign coaches and more skilled foreign players, how is it still the case that England has no leaders in the side and no world class players? None. (Maybe Rashford will become one, but he's alone). The coach's theory is that the media conglomerates don't want England to do well. Not sure exactly why, but Rupert Murdoch was responsible for a few pieces of the conspiracy puzzle. And it does sound like kooky conspiracy talk --- until one remembers how FIFA shafted England on the World Cup bids and how corrupt every level of that org is. Sepp Blatter sure hated England, Platini doesn't seem a whole lot better. So here England is, with a poor manager well out of his depth, a squad featuring zero stars and zero leaders, and they've just come away stealing a point against Slovenija. The players I'd keep out of the current crop are Rashford, Sterling, Alli, Walker. I'd add Shaw and Smalling when fit. Maybe give a look to Cleverley. And that's the best there is, and out of them, only Rashford is a patch on any of the England players from the 92 team. Thoughts?
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Post by CaajScot on Oct 13, 2016 10:43:52 GMT
They are a bunch of gutless swine. Comfortable to sit in their high chairs and be politically correct and proper and absolve themselves of all responsibility. Those polished armchairs they sit on would know more about football than this lot . All the leadership and mentality of a glass of tepid water. With this lot at the helm, the English football team will never go anywhere. It's not like they're that good anyway, but they can be doing a fucking lot better than what they currently are. I don't think the English FA will ever change in my time on planet earth buddy, they still live in a little glass bubble marked 'England 1966' and all that and watching England winning in 1966 with "They think it's all over....it is know" ringing in their ears while the rest of the football world flashes by them and smaller countries creeping up on England in world rankings and overtake them. Let Southgate take full charge and then the same old story will happen where England will get know where in World Cup's & European tournaments and Southgate will get the blame and then he will get the bullet and someone else will take charge, a never ending story.
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Post by Stew on Oct 13, 2016 11:34:46 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team:
01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney
Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 13:00:33 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team: 01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc. I know he retired 2 years earlier, but you missed Scholes>Gerrard>Lampard
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Post by Kojak on Oct 13, 2016 17:11:19 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team: 01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc. Joe Cole was a better player then than Lingard is now for me, but it's debatable I suppose so your point is correct. Back then everyone was talking about the influx of foreign players in the Prem having a negative effect on the English national team, so has the prophecy came to pass? There's very few players coming through now who look to have the capacity to be as good as those from 2004/2006. The keepers back then were all woeful, so you can discount that position. John Stones will never be as good as either of those two CB's, or even probably Sol Campbell. Luke Shaw you could say has the capacity to get up to a great standard, but Ashley Cole as much as I dislike him was one of the best left backs I've ever seen. I reckon Dier could probably reach Hargreaves' level, and Dele's a good young player, but beyond that I can't see much coming up to challenge the quality midfielders of 10 years ago. Rashford's evidently going to be a quality player, and Kane's already very good, but beyond them, there's not many young strikers coming through either. I've written all that and then stopped and realised I couldn't give a fuck anyway, so I'll leave it.
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Post by . on Oct 13, 2016 18:16:00 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team: 01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc. Joe Cole was a better player then than Lingard is now for me, but it's debatable I suppose so your point is correct. Back then everyone was talking about the influx of foreign players in the Prem having a negative effect on the English national team, so has the prophecy came to pass? There's very few players coming through now who look to have the capacity to be as good as those from 2004/2006. The keepers back then were all woeful, so you can discount that position. John Stones will never be as good as either of those two CB's, or even probably Sol Campbell. Luke Shaw you could say has the capacity to get up to a great standard, but Ashley Cole as much as I dislike him was one of the best left backs I've ever seen. I reckon Dier could probably reach Hargreaves' level, and Dele's a good young player, but beyond that I can't see much coming up to challenge the quality midfielders of 10 years ago. Rashford's evidently going to be a quality player, and Kane's already very good, but beyond them, there's not many young strikers coming through either. I've written all that and then stopped and realised I couldn't give a fuck anyway, so I'll leave it.
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Post by dazjoe on Oct 13, 2016 20:30:04 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team: 01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc.
Cole was a good little player around '05/'06. He played the best football of his career around then. I'd have that Cole in this England team to be honest.
The rest? Fingers crossed Shaw and Rashford could become top, top players, and deserve a place ahead of Cole and Rooney in the long run, but at the moment there'd be no comparison really.
You can go back further, look at England's line up against W.Germany in 1990:
GK: Shilton RB: Parker CB: Butcher CB: Walker CB: Wright LB: Pearce M: Waddle M: Platt M: Gascoigne F: Beardsley F: Lineker
How many today get in that team? Hart probably ahead of a 40 year old Shilton, but Shilton shit on Hart in his peak years. That'd be it.
'96 against Germany?
GK: Seamen CB: Pearce CB: Adams CB: Southgate M: Ince M: Platt M: Gascoigne W: Anderton W: McManaman F: Sheringham F: Shearer
Pearce was pretty old by this point, so you could probably take him out for someone today (Shaw at LB or Smalling at CB). The wide options weren't up to that much, but then there not now either.
This is the weakest bunch of players England have had in a long, long time. It's mental for anyone to expect England to do much at a major tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 21:52:39 GMT
When was the last time England did anything at a tournament? 2006, losing gallantly on penos to Portugal? Look at that team: 01 P Robinson 02 G Neville 06 J Terry 05 R Ferdinand 03 A Cole 16 O Hargreaves 07 D Beckham 04 S Gerrard 08 F Lampard 11 J Cole 09 W Rooney Literally 2 players now are better than those from 10 years ago, Hart and whoever plays instead of Joe Cole in the current set-up. Look at that back 4. Now you have Cahill and Danny Rose. Midfield- Henderson instead of Lampard etc.
Cole was a good little player around '05/'06. He played the best football of his career around then. I'd have that Cole in this England team to be honest.
The rest? Fingers crossed Shaw and Rashford could become top, top players, and deserve a place ahead of Cole and Rooney in the long run, but at the moment there'd be no comparison really.
You can go back further, look at England's line up against W.Germany in 1990:
GK: Shilton RB: Parker CB: Butcher CB: Walker CB: Wright LB: Pearce M: Waddle M: Platt M: Gascoigne F: Beardsley F: Lineker
How many today get in that team? Hart probably ahead of a 40 year old Shilton, but Shilton shit on Hart in his peak years. That'd be it.
'96 against Germany?
GK: Seamen CB: Pearce CB: Adams CB: Southgate M: Ince M: Platt M: Gascoigne W: Anderton W: McManaman F: Sheringham F: Shearer
Pearce was pretty old by this point, so you could probably take him out for someone today (Shaw at LB or Smalling at CB). The wide options weren't up to that much, but then there not now either.
This is the weakest bunch of players England have had in a long, long time. It's mental for anyone to expect England to do much at a major tournament.
That 96 team should of won. Great team with arguably better players left out.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 13, 2016 23:41:10 GMT
Yeah it was a good side that 1996 one. England have always claimed to be unlucky after exists from tournaments, but that's probably the really unlucky one. I suppose you could argue 1990 too.
Gary Neville was suspended for the Germany game I think. It would've been a better side with him in it. He'd played well that tournament and got an assist for Shearer. Pearce was a great leader, so he was a valuable asset despite his age.
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Post by dazjoe on Oct 14, 2016 1:39:54 GMT
Yeah it was a good side that 1996 one. England have always claimed to be unlucky after exists from tournaments, but that's probably the really unlucky one. I suppose you could argue 1990 too. Gary Neville was suspended for the Germany game I think. It would've been a better side with him in it. He'd played well that tournament and got an assist for Shearer. Pearce was a great leader, so he was a valuable asset despite his age.
Goes both ways. They were unlucky to lose to Germany, Gazza should have scored the golden goal in extra time. But then again they were lucky to beat Spain in the 1st knockout round, Spain had a perfectly good goal disallowed and it finished 0-0.
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Post by Sméagol on Nov 6, 2016 20:37:52 GMT
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