|
Post by On a break on Apr 28, 2017 8:16:59 GMT
Atkinson has always been a cunt so no great surprises last night as he proved the point once again, but we needed a win last night especially with the injury list and hard run in, Miki and Martial were poor last night both running into trouble and losing the ball almost every time putting pressure on the back 4 who defended brilliantly.
|
|
|
Post by dazjoe on Apr 28, 2017 8:21:01 GMT
Without wanting to sound like some scouse conspiracy theorist, I've honestly thought something is up at the FA where Atkinson is concerned.
He is beyond useless, and incredibly biased against United. Every time he refs one of our games he goes out of his way to give us absolutely nothing and fuck us over; and yet for some reason he is given some of our biggest and most important games every season. The Chelsea games of a few years ago are the type of games someone really should look into. They were the kind of games if you saw them in Italy or Turkey or somewhere dodgy like that, you'd be convinced that something was up (if you know what I mean). The decisions were diabolical.
Normally a shit ref will make shit decisions both ways, funny every one of his shit calls just happened to benefit them and penalise us.
I was just saying about this in the office. Several fouls either not called or no card, examples; Yaya was climbing over the back of Hairera then Fernandiniho steams in also but no yellow. Martial touched Sterling infront of the lino and sterling's legs literally fell off but no dive called. HeyZeus cleans Rashford out at the end of the game in the corner when there was no need to go in like that and the ball was cleared ... THEN gives it the beans but no yellow. was Atkinson the ref that allowed that Drogba offside goal a few seasons ago? He sure was
|
|
|
Post by Bestie on Apr 28, 2017 8:48:45 GMT
I am an advocate for Jose and maybe the tactics are due to the fact (I think) football in general has become more pragmatic/cautious, but I hate seeing us go away to the likes of city when they're in shite form and sit deep and defend. Quickly getting sick of it.
Mourinho has basically admitted to most-eggs-in-the-Europa basket anyway so fucking get rid of Fellaini, play Fosu-Mensah and attack. city are shite defensively and great attacking, so what do we do? Let them attack for 80 minutes. Tactical masterclass? Aye. Even if Herrera hadn't missed our obligatory gimme it would have been a faintly embarrassing performance. One bastard shot on target, which came from a flap and was a terrible finish.
I so loathe not winning against that shower of absolute shite, but to not win by not even trying to is anathema.
That being said, Aktinson was a cunt.
Mkhitaryan was missing.
Herrera looked knackered.
Carrick was standard Carrick, too ponderous, too safe.
Fellaini, just fuck off now. Hope that is the last we have to put up with him in our shirt. He's that much taller than Aguero he should have just stuck his chest out and let Aguero face off to the Chevrolet logo. This is how you fucking deal with a midget who is trying to start something:
|
|
|
Post by Chris on Apr 28, 2017 8:50:38 GMT
Why did we even play last night? Could have played Wednesday, Saturday, Thursday. It's not like it was a disadvantage to City to play on Wednesday since we both played Sunday.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 9:14:09 GMT
That was a bit shit.
Next.
Can we just fast forward, draw all our Prem games and win the Europa now please?
Next season will be so much better.
|
|
|
Post by RAZ on Apr 28, 2017 9:59:26 GMT
have to say that i'm not as frustrated as others in here.
i think we can all (including the manager and players) agree that the 2nd half performance was shit.but most of us would have taken a draw before the game and under yesterdays circumstances its a good result for us.
i also dont like how defensive we played,especially the second half but i understand where mourinho is coming from. not enough creative players to match city.go out and attack them and they would have punished us several times with our make shift midfield and defenders.
even lampard said yesterday that mourinho did the same at chelsea everytime they had lots of players out injured.he did that when he thought he doesnt have the right players to match the opposition.
martial is getting some stick for not pressing enough or being too defensive.well i'm more than convinced he did exactly what mourinho asked him to do.when he got substituted,mourinho seemed pleased with him. the approach against chelsea was to press them high and force them into mistakes.yesterday it was more of letting city move the ball around and wait for a mistake,and in truth we almost punished them twice in the first half.
i'd like to be as critical as some of you are but i just cant.we have now like what,10 players out injured or suspended.played something like 10 games more than city.played away from home without players like rojo,pogba,zlatan,mata and many others.we had blind taking care of aguero.we had slow players like carrick and fellaini taking care of citys players.we played for about 15mins with one man less.
you know what?i'm not proud of the performance but i'm proud of the result and the resillience the team showed.we fight and we get stuck in and despite missing some of our most important players and getting a ridiculous red card we came away with a point and top 4 is still in our own hands.get beaten yesterday and top 4 would have been a different scenerio.
take players like costa/hazard/kante/luiz/cahill away from chelsea and they would probably struggle big time or spurs without kane/alli/eriksen/alderweireld.mourinho is adopting to fatigue and injuries.
look at our squad and all the players missing.we are not a free flowing monaco side who can come to emptihad and attack them. by being pragmatic and realistic mourinho kept us in the top 4 race.not only kept us in but its still in our hands.even with half our b team we are still hard to beat.
i think the players deserve a bit more credit than they get and mourinho aswell.and i also expect some similar performances till the end of the season.we are not in a situation to outscore strong opponents and mourinho is the master of grinding out results with weakened teams.and thats probably what we'll do now.different and better players=different approach.but right now we cant ask for much more. the lads have done a decent job yesterday,all current problems considered.we are still fighting on two fronts and even our b team is tough to beat.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 10:05:32 GMT
have to say that i'm not as frustrated as others in here. i think we can all (including the manager and players) agree that the 2nd half performance was shit.but most of us would have taken a draw before the game and under yesterdays circumstances its a good result for us. i also dont like how defensive we played,especially the second half but i understand where mourinho is coming from. not enough creative players to match city.go out and attack them and they would have punished us several times with our make shift midfield and defenders. even lampard said yesterday that mourinho did the same at chelsea everytime they had lots of players out injured.he did that when he thought he doesnt have the right players to match the opposition. martial is getting some stick for not pressing enough or being too defensive.well i'm more than convinced he did exactly what mourinho asked him to do.when he got substituted,mourinho seemed pleased with him. the approach against chelsea was to press them high and force them into mistakes.yesterday it was more of letting city move the ball around and wait for a mistake,and in truth we almost punished them twice in the first half. i'd like to be as critical as some of you are but i just cant.we have now like what,10 players out injured or suspended.played something like 10 games more than city.played away from home without players like rojo,pogba,zlatan,mata and many others.we had blind taking care of aguero.we had slow players like carrick and fellaini taking care of citys players.we played for about 15mins with one man less. you know what?i'm not proud of the performance but i'm proud of the result and the resillience the team showed.we fight and we get stuck in and despite missing some of our most important players and getting a ridiculous red card we came away with a point and top 4 is still in our own hands.get beaten yesterday and top 4 would have been a different scenerio. take players like costa/hazard/kante/luiz/cahill away from chelsea and they would probably struggle big time or spurs without kane/alli/eriksen/alderweireld.mourinho is adopting to fatigue and injuries. look at our squad and all the players missing.we are not a free flowing monaco side who can come to emptihad and attack them. by being pragmatic and realistic mourinho kept us in the top 4 race.not only kept us in but its still in our hands.even with half our b team we are still hard to beat. i think the players deserve a bit more credit than they get and mourinho aswell.and i also expect some similar performances till the end of the season.we are not in a situation to outscore strong opponents and mourinho is the master of grinding out results with weakened teams.and thats probably what we'll do now.different and better players=different approach.but right now we cant ask for much more. the lads have done a decent job yesterday,all current problems considered.we are still fighting on two fronts and even our b team is tough to beat. Same, thought Martial did pretty well defensively for a change. Jose will have liked the effort he's been asking for.
|
|
|
Post by RAZ on Apr 28, 2017 10:15:30 GMT
have to say that i'm not as frustrated as others in here. i think we can all (including the manager and players) agree that the 2nd half performance was shit.but most of us would have taken a draw before the game and under yesterdays circumstances its a good result for us. i also dont like how defensive we played,especially the second half but i understand where mourinho is coming from. not enough creative players to match city.go out and attack them and they would have punished us several times with our make shift midfield and defenders. even lampard said yesterday that mourinho did the same at chelsea everytime they had lots of players out injured.he did that when he thought he doesnt have the right players to match the opposition. martial is getting some stick for not pressing enough or being too defensive.well i'm more than convinced he did exactly what mourinho asked him to do.when he got substituted,mourinho seemed pleased with him. the approach against chelsea was to press them high and force them into mistakes.yesterday it was more of letting city move the ball around and wait for a mistake,and in truth we almost punished them twice in the first half. i'd like to be as critical as some of you are but i just cant.we have now like what,10 players out injured or suspended.played something like 10 games more than city.played away from home without players like rojo,pogba,zlatan,mata and many others.we had blind taking care of aguero.we had slow players like carrick and fellaini taking care of citys players.we played for about 15mins with one man less. you know what?i'm not proud of the performance but i'm proud of the result and the resillience the team showed.we fight and we get stuck in and despite missing some of our most important players and getting a ridiculous red card we came away with a point and top 4 is still in our own hands.get beaten yesterday and top 4 would have been a different scenerio. take players like costa/hazard/kante/luiz/cahill away from chelsea and they would probably struggle big time or spurs without kane/alli/eriksen/alderweireld.mourinho is adopting to fatigue and injuries. look at our squad and all the players missing.we are not a free flowing monaco side who can come to emptihad and attack them. by being pragmatic and realistic mourinho kept us in the top 4 race.not only kept us in but its still in our hands.even with half our b team we are still hard to beat. i think the players deserve a bit more credit than they get and mourinho aswell.and i also expect some similar performances till the end of the season.we are not in a situation to outscore strong opponents and mourinho is the master of grinding out results with weakened teams.and thats probably what we'll do now.different and better players=different approach.but right now we cant ask for much more. the lads have done a decent job yesterday,all current problems considered.we are still fighting on two fronts and even our b team is tough to beat. Same, thought Martial did pretty well defensively for a change. Jose will have liked the effort he's been asking for. exactly. our players ran 100km yesterday. citys players 107km. maybe we managed to conserve some energy. we have lots of important games coming. maybe even one or two players coming back from injury. we have lots of creative players missing. i think we`re being pragmatic just in the right moment of the season. if martial and mkhi would have gone up and down the wings yesterday they would have left so much spaces behind them. and we all know citys players are capable to use that. a goal for them and top 4 would have been almost impossible. i`d say job well done, not beautiful but consequent and we`re still in a strong position. any other team would struggle without their best players. we struggle aswell but the difference is, somehow we still manage to get the results.
|
|
|
Post by grandpaTJ on Apr 28, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
Had a great day here, damn cold front kicked my old Grampy ass. But, turned out. Took the handmade ants and sticks to the creek an grandkids caught us bunch of perfect bait. We took a chance on a deep hole we know of, and found a dozen super nice walleyes. Some stuff my friend brought from "Somewhere", Colorado, and guitars and David Alan Coe songs Came home an watched the game. First half, I thought was beautiful football. Ref didn't interfere too much, and both sides played tough. Ander and Bailly I thought were outstanding, Bailly was just brilliant, my MoM. Ander kicked Toure in the Ya-Ya, tough match. Silva being out hurt them, but Citeh is has players I would love to see wearing United Kit, top quality, and I thought Jose has gotten his two teams pretty much spot on, even with inuries. Feel that the entire match, inluding subs up to end result was pretty much drawn up. United got their chances, could have won, fair play, so could Citeh. Jose seems to me to be building a couple clubs around what he has, plus making sure top young players are wearing the colors, even if they are learning from the bench. He sure didn't hesitate to throw TFM right into the mix. Looking at sched, who is hurt, who can play. I think Jose got it right. 2nd half, kind of MEH, but ok. Loved the one flick over shoulder Marcus did, loved how Ander pissed of Toure, stood up to him, then made him disappear. My take, great half of football, second half, went as planned, wish we had rammed it down their throats, but probably best for table that we didn't open it up. Was at a point where it seemed to me it was going to be one mistake an one player taking advantage. Something else I like, a LOT, this might not be Jose's best team, but I think it is going to be his favorite team in many ways, and I think this group of players will have several "legends" or serious favorite player contenders coming out of it as time progresses. Don't care what happens, Griezmann or any player can look at the direction United is going in, then turn down Ed's money can piss off far as I am concerned. Jose will get this club back to top, when done building it, will be SOLID for some time (looking at players already there) and it will be good football that will be played. Liked the match (haven't read the thread yet ) EDIT****** Agree 100% with Raz, 1 point better than walking away wishing we had not attacked a stronger club, our players left it ll on the pitch, 2nd half not "great to watch" but definitely some tough, hard nosed play from everyone, and without question Eric Bailly my MOTM, not just good, almost man among boys level of good. Ander pushed him a close second, Toure didn't get an inch on Ander and he kind of defined that position. Would love to see Ander get the Band when Carrick is gone. Ander is thinking all the time, and when he barks, it is thought out barking. Love how many opponents seem to see him as "evil", pretty much shows who they see as team leader as well. Might not be "World Class" but I think belong in CL, and Jose has them playing some hard nosed football. Liking where this is going.
|
|
|
Post by ratbag on Apr 28, 2017 10:44:50 GMT
I haven't read any of the posts here so sorry if I am repeating stuff and sorry if you don't agree with me but I watched this in the pub last night and i was embarrassed by our tactics...OK Atkinson was a cunt and gave us nothing and Citeh everything but fuck me...the day we have to play like that regularly is the day I give up watching football altogether...
Yes, we got a point and I suppose I would have taken that before the game but the manner of achieving it was dreadful...I was watching it with my daughter's boyfriend, a Spurs fan and I found myself apologising for the shit he was having to watch...
This was archetypal Mourinho pragmatism and I didn't like it one little bit...we are United and we're better than that...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 10:49:55 GMT
I haven't read any of the posts here so sorry if I am repeating stuff and sorry if you don't agree with me but I watched this in the pub last night and i was embarrassed by our tactics...OK Atkinson was a cunt and gave us nothing and Citeh everything but fuck me...t he day we have to play like that regularly is the day I give up watching football altogether...Yes, we got a point and I suppose I would have taken that before the game but the manner of achieving it was dreadful...I was watching it with my daughter's boyfriend, a Spurs fan and I found myself apologising for the shit he was having to watch... This was archetypal Mourinho pragmatism and I didn't like it one little bit...we are United and we're better than that... Agree with that, but I also don't think that's the way we're heading. City were near on full strength, played a load less games, didn't have a psychotic Tree running around in midfield etc etc. Plus, however much better they were than us on the night, they're still only a massive 1 point ahead of us. Expect a few more performances like that before the end of the season, then strap yourself in for next season.
|
|
|
Post by alt on Apr 28, 2017 10:51:13 GMT
Mkhitaryan is getting a lot of hate yet Rashford gets none? What exactly did the latter do that Mkhitaryan didn't? All three forwards were quiet and did fuck all going forward but that's expected when there's a massive gap between the defenders/midfield and the forwards.
I think he is and will still be a key part of the team next season. His awareness is brilliant and even though he wasn't great last night, he showed on numerous occasions his ability to receive the ball and lay it off first time - a stark contrast to Fellaini for example. If we are to play more free flowing, attacking football next season then that's exactly what we need more of.
Not a great performance by the team on the whole last night, but a good point and it leaves the top four in our own hands still. Must add though, what a beast Bailly is. He was culpable for a lot of the hoofed balls with little or no direction, but defensively he was superb. So strong and athletic and the fee of £30m or thereabouts looks a snip in today's market.
|
|
|
Post by grandpaTJ on Apr 28, 2017 10:57:09 GMT
I haven't read any of the posts here so sorry if I am repeating stuff and sorry if you don't agree with me but I watched this in the pub last night and i was embarrassed by our tactics...OK Atkinson was a cunt and gave us nothing and Citeh everything but fuck me...the day we have to play like that regularly is the day I give up watching football altogether... Yes, we got a point and I suppose I would have taken that before the game but the manner of achieving it was dreadful...I was watching it with my daughter's boyfriend, a Spurs fan and I found myself apologising for the shit he was having to watch... This was archetypal Mourinho pragmatism and I didn't like it one little bit...we are United and we're better than that... Can't disagree with that, but I don't think the players are there that can do it a lot better than the way Mourhino is choosing the team, and setting up tactics, including having TFM in without apparent second thought. I think Mourhino is 100% behind playing United style football, and is dong fair job given some of the choices he has to go with. Now, if he really gets another big war chest, I'll be a hell of a lot more "judgemental" of signings, as they are his, and how the team plays. For now, turning the quality players he has into "Mouhrino" players, that seems pretty well done so far to me. Will pay big dividends after summer, as I assume the players Jose will bring in will be picked to play with the nucleus he is already established. Add the right players with the group we have, there will definitely be United football. Now, I think it has to be "Just Win Baby"
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:00:04 GMT
Mkhitaryan is getting a lot of hate yet Rashford gets none? What exactly did the latter do that Mkhitaryan didn't? All three forwards were quiet and did fuck all going forward but that's expected when there's a massive gap between the defenders/midfield and the forwards. I think he is and will still be a key part of the team next season. His awareness is brilliant and even though he wasn't great last night, he showed on numerous occasions his ability to receive the ball and lay it off first time - a stark contrast to Fellaini for example. If we are to play more free flowing, attacking football next season then that's exactly what we need more of. Not a great performance by the team on the whole last night, but a good point and it leaves the top four in our own hands still. Must add though, what a beast Bailly is. He was culpable for a lot of the hoofed balls with little or no direction, but defensively he was superb. So strong and athletic and the fee of £30m or thereabouts looks a snip in today's market. Seasoned professional vs 19yr old kid. Not hating on Mkhitaryan btw, I think he'll be excellent for us
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Apr 28, 2017 11:03:05 GMT
Mkhitaryan is getting a lot of hate yet Rashford gets none? What exactly did the latter do that Mkhitaryan didn't? All three forwards were quiet and did fuck all going forward but that's expected when there's a massive gap between the defenders/midfield and the forwards. I think he is and will still be a key part of the team next season. His awareness is brilliant and even though he wasn't great last night, he showed on numerous occasions his ability to receive the ball and lay it off first time - a stark contrast to Fellaini for example. If we are to play more free flowing, attacking football next season then that's exactly what we need more of. Not a great performance by the team on the whole last night, but a good point and it leaves the top four in our own hands still. Must add though, what a beast Bailly is. He was culpable for a lot of the hoofed balls with little or no direction, but defensively he was superb. So strong and athletic and the fee of £30m or thereabouts looks a snip in today's market. He's about 10 years more experienced than Rashford Alt. At this stage of the season he shouldn't go missing so regularly. He should be used to it by now. Obviously he's a serious talent but the book on him has always been he goes missing in certain games. That's definitely been the case so far.
|
|