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Post by Kamilo on Aug 24, 2020 20:41:31 GMT
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Post by ratbag on Jan 25, 2021 15:42:25 GMT
I heard this today on TalkSport...couldn't quite believe my ears...
Charlie Austin has revealed that Manchester United chose to sign Victor Lindelof instead of Virgil van Dijk. Van Dijk and Austin played together while they were at Southampton, when several big clubs were interested in signing the brilliant Dutch defender.
Austin, who is currently on loan with Queens Park Rangers, revealed to TalkSport that van Dijk was overlooked by the Red Devils.
“I remember at the back end of his Southampton career, we were sitting on the bench together at Chelsea away. I said to him ‘come on Virgil what’s going on, surely Manchester United must have been in for you?’
“They’re a massive club in England. He said ‘do you know what Chaz, in the summer it was between me and Lindelof, and they went for Lindelof’.
“Nobody knows that. He told me on the bench and I couldn’t believe it. I was gobsmacked,” Austin said.
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Post by kstandhand on Jan 25, 2021 16:00:10 GMT
I heard this today on TalkSport...couldn't quite believe my ears... Charlie Austin has revealed that Manchester United chose to sign Victor Lindelof instead of Virgil van Dijk. Van Dijk and Austin played together while they were at Southampton, when several big clubs were interested in signing the brilliant Dutch defender. Austin, who is currently on loan with Queens Park Rangers, revealed to TalkSport that van Dijk was overlooked by the Red Devils. “I remember at the back end of his Southampton career, we were sitting on the bench together at Chelsea away. I said to him ‘come on Virgil what’s going on, surely Manchester United must have been in for you?’ “They’re a massive club in England. He said ‘do you know what Chaz, in the summer it was between me and Lindelof, and they went for Lindelof’. “Nobody knows that. He told me on the bench and I couldn’t believe it. I was gobsmacked,” Austin said. There is a reason why the Glazers went for Lindelof!
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Post by ratbag on Jan 25, 2021 16:27:52 GMT
I heard this today on TalkSport...couldn't quite believe my ears... Charlie Austin has revealed that Manchester United chose to sign Victor Lindelof instead of Virgil van Dijk. Van Dijk and Austin played together while they were at Southampton, when several big clubs were interested in signing the brilliant Dutch defender. Austin, who is currently on loan with Queens Park Rangers, revealed to TalkSport that van Dijk was overlooked by the Red Devils. “I remember at the back end of his Southampton career, we were sitting on the bench together at Chelsea away. I said to him ‘come on Virgil what’s going on, surely Manchester United must have been in for you?’ “They’re a massive club in England. He said ‘do you know what Chaz, in the summer it was between me and Lindelof, and they went for Lindelof’. “Nobody knows that. He told me on the bench and I couldn’t believe it. I was gobsmacked,” Austin said. There is a reason why the Glazers went for Lindelof! Pray tell...
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Post by Bestie on Jan 25, 2021 16:51:38 GMT
There is a reason why the Glazers went for Lindelof! Pray tell... Money, I'm guessing.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 25, 2021 21:38:27 GMT
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Post by viking22 on Feb 17, 2021 17:43:04 GMT
Gary Neville has some interesting quotes:
"Lindelof's problem is Maguire and Maguire's problem is Lindelof. I think if you put Lindelof alongside Van Dijk at Liverpool, I think he's a really good player. He understands the game, he reads the game, he's a good defender. If he was alongside a Ferdinand or a Van Dijk, I think he'd make a great pair. The problem is he alongside somebody who's not the most mobile in Harry Maguire. The problem Lindelof has got is they've invested £80m on Maguire so they're going to have to put someone alongside him. They both seem to drop back a little bit and you need someone who can get them up the pitch."
Not convinced. But I agree that they bring the worst out of each other and Lindelof is a likely casualty if we buy a new defender better suited to partnering Maguire.
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 18:10:58 GMT
I love Steve Bruce. He was a limited player talent-wise but he gave everything he had for the club, was as brave as anything and was a huge part in the early 90s, which launched us on to major success for decades. However, if Fergie had paired Bruce with a player that was in effect another version of Bruce, he would have been a disaster. Pallister was an excellent partner for him, because he complimented him so well. I’m surprised Ole can’t see this. I think Lindelof is as soft as shite but he would probably do better with a partner that complimented him. Himself and Maguire are glacially slow, which means we have to drop incredibly deep against any half decent team. When Bailly plays, we can play much closer to halfway and start to strangle the opposition. We can’t do that with the two humps there.
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 17, 2021 20:41:19 GMT
Gary Neville has some interesting quotes: "Lindelof's problem is Maguire and Maguire's problem is Lindelof. I think if you put Lindelof alongside Van Dijk at Liverpool, I think he's a really good player. He understands the game, he reads the game, he's a good defender. If he was alongside a Ferdinand or a Van Dijk, I think he'd make a great pair. The problem is he alongside somebody who's not the most mobile in Harry Maguire. The problem Lindelof has got is they've invested £80m on Maguire so they're going to have to put someone alongside him. They both seem to drop back a little bit and you need someone who can get them up the pitch." Not convinced. But I agree that they bring the worst out of each other and Lindelof is a likely casualty if we buy a new defender better suited to partnering Maguire. He's kinda right, but it's less than "Lindelof and Maguire are good defenders they just need to be alongside someone who compliments them better" than "Lindelof and Maguire are bang average defenders who would look better playing alongside a worldie". I mean, Henning Berg and Ronny Johnsen were decent enough centre halfs. But if those two had been the partnership the whole of the '98-'99 season, would United had won the treble? Almost certainly not. Stam was the absolute worldie, on a different level to either of those two, so it was fine to pair either one of them (or even May on occasion) alongside him because he was that good. Of course either Maguire or Lindelof would look better playing alongside Rio, but that's all down to Rio not either of them. As another example, about 20 years or so ago when I was still living in the North East, all my mates were Newcastle fans. They'd talk a lot about how Titus Bramble had it in his locker to be a good player, quick and strong and all that. And sometimes looked like the real deal, and other times looked absolute shite. I pointed out it's funny he looks the real deal whenever he plays next to Woodgate, and looks like complete shite when it's Boumsong or Taylor next to him. Wonder why that could possibly be?
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Post by Kojak on Feb 17, 2021 21:01:48 GMT
Yeah I get the argument that you need two players who compliment each other to make a partnership. That’s true if you’re playing two up front too. And Maguire looks better with Bailly next to him because he has the pace to bail(ly) him out.
However, as above, anyone would look miles better with Rio next to them. The defence would instantly be more organised and less likely to make positional errors because there would be a world class player and world class leader in there. But I mean, Rio Ferdinand’s presence on a football pitch wouldn’t automatically mean Lindelof could win a header. If the ball comes into the box and it doesn’t land on Rio’s nut, we’d be in massive trouble still.
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Post by oscared on Feb 18, 2021 8:17:28 GMT
Lindelof is a coward you could put that soft twat with Vidic and he would still hide from a challenge, Maguire looks better along side Bailly probably because he can take a back seat and let him do the aggressive stuff, but Bailly is always injured and the other two are shit, not good is it?
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Post by Stew on Feb 18, 2021 8:20:56 GMT
Lindelof is a coward you could put that soft twat with Vidic and he would still hide from a challenge, Maguire looks better along side Bailly probably because he can take a back seat and let him do the aggressive stuff, but Bailly is always injured and the other two are shit, not good is it? Why is why we should be playing Axel. We need to accept the fact young defenders make mistakes and see how he develops between now and the end of the season. As I said before, we know what Lindelof is at this stage. We don’t yet know what Axel is. We need to find out.
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Post by kstandhand on Feb 18, 2021 9:23:13 GMT
Lindelof is a coward you could put that soft twat with Vidic and he would still hide from a challenge, Maguire looks better along side Bailly probably because he can take a back seat and let him do the aggressive stuff, but Bailly is always injured and the other two are shit, not good is it? Why is why we should be playing Axel. We need to accept the fact young defenders make mistakes and see how he develops between now and the end of the season. As I said before, we know what Lindelof is at this stage. We don’t yet know what Axel is. We need to find out. We do know that Axel is pacy,reads the game well & can mix it when he needs too,we also know that he has been unlucky with injury & is not getting a lot of regular football. One of his biggest current problems is that we don't have an experienced & reliable CB that he could play along aide to learn from & forge a decent partnership.
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Post by Stew on Feb 18, 2021 10:01:18 GMT
Why is why we should be playing Axel. We need to accept the fact young defenders make mistakes and see how he develops between now and the end of the season. As I said before, we know what Lindelof is at this stage. We don’t yet know what Axel is. We need to find out. We do know that Axel is pacy,reads the game well & can mix it when he needs too,we also know that he has been unlucky with injury & is not getting a lot of regular football. One of his biggest current problems is that we don't have an experienced & reliable CB that he could play along aide to learn from & forge a decent partnership. I’m not as down on Maguire as some are on here. I think he’s a decent CB (albeit with a serious limitation) who is struggling for form and a preposterous price tag. It’s no coincidence that the best he’s looked this year by a mile, is when he’s been paired with Bailly. Bailly who has been fit the last few games. I imagine Ole feels he can’t trust Eric with injuries because it shouldn’t be anything to do with talent. But Lindelof really should be 4th choice now, he’s been that bad. It’s a dreadful indictment of Ole and Woodward that he starts every game.
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Post by kstandhand on Feb 18, 2021 10:16:12 GMT
We do know that Axel is pacy,reads the game well & can mix it when he needs too,we also know that he has been unlucky with injury & is not getting a lot of regular football. One of his biggest current problems is that we don't have an experienced & reliable CB that he could play along aide to learn from & forge a decent partnership. I’m not as down on Maguire as some are on here. I think he’s a decent CB (albeit with a serious limitation) who is struggling for form and a preposterous price tag. It’s no coincidence that the best he’s looked this year by a mile, is when he’s been paired with Bailly. Bailly who has been fit the last few games. I imagine Ole feels he can’t trust Eric with injuries because it shouldn’t be anything to do with talent. But Lindelof really should be 4th choice now, he’s been that bad. It’s a dreadful indictment of Ole and Woodward that he starts every game. I agree with that to an extent,but you probably wouldn't trust him alongside Axel as a partneship,as you would say if we had a Vidic at the club,Axel would thrive along side such a player. I think taking the capts armband off him my ease some of the pressure & scrutiny. The one thing is clear to me,he does not have a natural football brain,he's a player that needs continual coaching to improve decision making & positional sense.
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