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Post by kokka78 on Jul 15, 2007 23:37:34 GMT
I was watching the news what ive heard the news about this guyOscar Pastorius the South African Paralympic runner Known as the "Blade Runner" and "the fastest man on no legs", Pistorius is the double amputee world record holder in the 100, 200 and 400 metres events and runs with the aid of carbon fibre transtibial artificial limbs. His artificial lower legs, while enabling him to compete, have also generated claims that he has an unfair advantage over other runners. Because of this, the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) had originally barred him from competing in the 2008 Summer Olympics, but later withdrew the ban pending tests on whether he actually has an advantage. (Wikipedia)Here in Italy Tg1(a sort of sky news) launched a petition to bring Pistorius at the next Olypics in 2008...many athletes are against him cos they say its like a technological doping due his "legs" Does Pistorius should compete at the next Olympics along the other athletes or not?
The Paraolympic dropped him cos they felt betrayed by Pistorius and his desire to compete like everybody else.What do u think about?
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Post by Chris on Jul 15, 2007 23:48:15 GMT
Hard one to call. First of all I wanna say how great this guy is to take part in this. He reminds me of the million dollar man a little and its good to see somebody in this physical way taking part in an event like this. It must give encouragment to people missing limbs to go on and achieve huge goals so well done to him.
On the other hand I can see why he would have advantage as he isn't using all of his leg muscles. He has no calves therefore he wouldn't feel the strain a person with the leg would feel, if you get my drift. Obviously it's hard for me to comment too much because I don't know how hard/easy it would be to run in this condition, so its a tough call.
EDIT: Just seen the poll, but I can't answer because I don't know what to think.
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Post by kokka78 on Jul 15, 2007 23:52:51 GMT
Hard one to call. First of all I wanna say how great this guy is to take part in this. He reminds me of the million dollar man a little and its good to see somebody in this physical way taking part in an event like this. It must give encouragment to people missing limbs to go on and achieve huge goals so well done to him. On the other hand I can see why he would have advantage as he isn't using all of his leg muscles. He has no calves therefore he wouldn't feel the strain a person with the leg would feel, if you get my drift. Obviously it's hard for me to comment too much because I don't know how hard/easy it would be to run in this condition, so its a tough call. EDIT: Just seen the poll, but I can't answer because I don't know what to think. I know what u mean however i gave my vote to him cos you cannot allow someone to take part at event like a Grand Prix then say sorry u have to stay out! you cannot play with people dreams. I understand why the other athletes feels like that as u said its a hard decision. |
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Post by Red Yank on Jul 16, 2007 1:47:06 GMT
I can't say yes or no because I haven't heard of any scientific proof that his artificial limbs do provide an advantage.
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Post by sianluvsunited on Jul 16, 2007 2:33:35 GMT
Hard one to call. First of all I wanna say how great this guy is to take part in this. He reminds me of the million dollar man a little and its good to see somebody in this physical way taking part in an event like this. It must give encouragment to people missing limbs to go on and achieve huge goals so well done to him. On the other hand I can see why he would have advantage as he isn't using all of his leg muscles. He has no calves therefore he wouldn't feel the strain a person with the leg would feel, if you get my drift. Obviously it's hard for me to comment too much because I don't know how hard/easy it would be to run in this condition, so its a tough call. EDIT: Just seen the poll, but I can't answer because I don't know what to think. I'm with Chris on this one. I dont really know to be honest. What sort of times does he run ? If its close to world record times I'd keep him out of the way personally because if he did break the world record it would stir up a big hornets nest and cause lots of problems with people disagreeing with him having the record. Surely the disabled people at some point campaigned really hard to get their own paralympic games set up so he should really stick with them out of respect for the people who actually fought for him and other disabled athletes to have their own games. |
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Post by Dan_Utd on Jul 16, 2007 4:42:27 GMT
I voted yes, because if the Paraolympics dropped him he should be able to compete. I guess if they found out that he had an advantage over the other Competitors it would be different, but as of right now, i don't see why not.
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Post by stonecarver on Jul 16, 2007 10:10:14 GMT
I can't say yes or no because I haven't heard of any scientific proof that his artificial limbs do provide an advantage. well here you go mate ( not that I'm a scientist ). The guy has no lower legs...therefore he has less far to pump the blood around his body before it returns to the heart. Therfore there is more oxygen in his blood allowing him an unfare advantage over ordinary competators. Very similar to the blood doping of the USA cycle team in the 1984 los angelas olympics  you naughty nation. but I voted yes, although if it goes to court, he aint got a leg to stand on  |
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Post by kokka78 on Jul 16, 2007 11:18:42 GMT
How many dope positive athletes are out there?Too many i think and they're afraid of this guy cos his body is not like a "normal" athlete? Ok he may have an advantage but also dope runners have an advantage,isn't it? I think at least they should give him a chance and see what happen  |
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Post by theresonly1united on Jul 16, 2007 12:19:40 GMT
I'm not voting. I give him all the best of luck in his running, think what he is doing is great, and will follow him. But I have no idea if the artificial lower legs give an advantage or do more than feet would, and if that is the case, it would be extremely unfair to the other competitors. So I can't say.
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Post by markymark on Jul 19, 2007 22:16:32 GMT
I can't say yes or no because I haven't heard of any scientific proof that his artificial limbs do provide an advantage. well here you go mate ( not that I'm a scientist ). The guy has no lower legs...therefore he has less far to pump the blood around his body before it returns to the heart. Therfore there is more oxygen in his blood allowing him an unfare advantage over ordinary competators. Very similar to the blood doping of the USA cycle team in the 1984 los angelas olympics you naughty nation. but I voted yes, although if it goes to court, he aint got a leg to stand on He's a sprinter so oxygen doesn't come into it because it's an anaerobic exercise. |
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Post by Busby Boy on Jul 20, 2007 1:33:32 GMT
How many dope positive athletes are out there?Too many i think and they're afraid of this guy cos his body is not like a "normal" athlete? Ok he may have an advantage but also dope runners have an advantage,isn't it? I think at least they should give him a chance and see what happen I don't see you're argument here as performance enhancing drugs aren't knowingly given to athletes. As for this, it's amazing what the guy does and so on but I don't think it should be allowed. Fitness levels, injury, fatigue, etc go out the window and it would be an unfair advantage to have on the other participants as his leg is artificial. Great guy though and amazing to see him compete but the Paralympics are there for a reason. |
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Post by fletchabey on Jul 20, 2007 14:18:47 GMT
well here you go mate ( not that I'm a scientist ). The guy has no lower legs...therefore he has less far to pump the blood around his body before it returns to the heart. Therfore there is more oxygen in his blood allowing him an unfare advantage over ordinary competators. Very similar to the blood doping of the USA cycle team in the 1984 los angelas olympics you naughty nation. but I voted yes, although if it goes to court, he aint got a leg to stand on He's a sprinter so oxygen doesn't come into it because it's an anaerobic exercise. True, atheletes dont even breathe for the 100m. Just send him to some Bio tech uni to decide what these legs do. |
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Post by kokka78 on Jul 20, 2007 15:26:38 GMT
How many dope positive athletes are out there?Too many i think and they're afraid of this guy cos his body is not like a "normal" athlete? Ok he may have an advantage but also dope runners have an advantage,isn't it? I think at least they should give him a chance and see what happen I don't see you're argument here as performance enhancing drugs aren't knowingly given to athletes. As for this, it's amazing what the guy does and so on but I don't think it should be allowed. Fitness levels, injury, fatigue, etc go out the window and it would be an unfair advantage to have on the other participants as his leg is artificial. Great guy though and amazing to see him compete but the Paralympics are there for a reason. There are many athtles out there who are probably positve at drugs(no one knows that before taking a test)but its ridicolous how many atheltes called this technological dope... It's fair win with drugs but no with artificial legs? sound a bit weird...I think athtles at least the ones who said a thing like that should had count before. I know Paralympics are there for a reason but wouldn't be nice give him a chance? |
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Post by Busby Boy on Jul 20, 2007 19:26:42 GMT
I don't see you're argument here as performance enhancing drugs aren't knowingly given to athletes. As for this, it's amazing what the guy does and so on but I don't think it should be allowed. Fitness levels, injury, fatigue, etc go out the window and it would be an unfair advantage to have on the other participants as his leg is artificial. Great guy though and amazing to see him compete but the Paralympics are there for a reason. There are many athtles out there who are probably positve at drugs(no one knows that before taking a test)but its ridicolous how many atheltes called this technological dope... It's fair win with drugs but no with artificial legs? sound a bit weird...I think athtles at least the ones who said a thing like that should had count before. I know Paralympics are there for a reason but wouldn't be nice give him a chance? You're missing the point, nobody gives performance enhancing drugs to athletes they use them without anybody knowing so how you can try and make a comparison is beyond me! |
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Post by ArmandTamsarian on Jul 25, 2007 0:09:08 GMT
How many dope positive athletes are out there?Too many i think and they're afraid of this guy cos his body is not like a "normal" athlete? Ok he may have an advantage but also dope runners have an advantage,isn't it? I think at least they should give him a chance and see what happen I don't see you're argument here as performance enhancing drugs aren't knowingly given to athletes. As for this, it's amazing what the guy does and so on but I don't think it should be allowed. Fitness levels, injury, fatigue, etc go out the window and it would be an unfair advantage to have on the other participants as his leg is artificial. Great guy though and amazing to see him compete but the Paralympics are there for a reason. The paralympics are not there to hold back disabled athletes who have overcome adversity and trained hard enough to be able to compete against able bodied athletes! They are surely there for those that can't. Surely any minor advantage he has by having not having as much leg to get injured or to need oxygen supply is more than cancelled out by the fact that he HAS GOT NO LEGS! Talking about him having an 'advantage' is kind of sick when you think about it. If he is good enough, let him run. |
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