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Post by Karma on Dec 7, 2020 21:05:35 GMT
No player is bigger than the club.
Unfortunately 2 years ago our overlords chose to ignore it.
Hope it bites them on the arse and he runs down his contract.
In his last year of a contract. Hardly plays and he doesn’t want to be here.
Great work Glazers!
They never fucking learn!
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Post by Stretty on Dec 7, 2020 21:16:12 GMT
There’s a video doing the rounds online of Lampard giving his verdict on Pogba. As much as it pains me to say it, he’s bang on.
He makes horrendous decisions for a midfielder, dawdles on the ball too much. Can’t be trusted to defend, doesn’t contribute enough in attack. Not 100% sure he’s ever broken into a full sprint. He’s never dominated a midfield. I could name 5 great moments he’s had in a United shirt, but I genuinely don’t think I could name 5 great games. There’s more to football than being talented. Being talented doesn’t make you a good player. If you watched Paul Pogba in clips you’d think he was amazing. That’s probably what the majority of us did when he played for Juve. But they weren’t exactly crying out for him after he left. For a good while people thought letting go of Pogba was Fergie’s biggest mistake. Well he was right all along. As much as lampard is correct he could have copied that from any Manchester Utd forum going back 4 years |
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Post by Kojak on Dec 7, 2020 21:21:35 GMT
There’s a video doing the rounds online of Lampard giving his verdict on Pogba. As much as it pains me to say it, he’s bang on.
He makes horrendous decisions for a midfielder, dawdles on the ball too much. Can’t be trusted to defend, doesn’t contribute enough in attack. Not 100% sure he’s ever broken into a full sprint. He’s never dominated a midfield. I could name 5 great moments he’s had in a United shirt, but I genuinely don’t think I could name 5 great games. There’s more to football than being talented. Being talented doesn’t make you a good player. If you watched Paul Pogba in clips you’d think he was amazing. That’s probably what the majority of us did when he played for Juve. But they weren’t exactly crying out for him after he left. For a good while people thought letting go of Pogba was Fergie’s biggest mistake. Well he was right all along. As much as lampard is correct he could have copied that from any Manchester Utd forum going back 4 years To be fair, the first line was Lampard, the rest was just me venting! |
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Post by Stretty on Dec 7, 2020 21:24:40 GMT
As much as lampard is correct he could have copied that from any Manchester Utd forum going back 4 years To be fair, the first line was Lampard, the rest was just me venting! your both spot on though edit can we add he’s a complete cunt to the paragraph? |
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Post by dazjoe on Dec 7, 2020 23:33:15 GMT
On Raiola too, it really would be satisfying to see the top clubs in the European leagues just all get together and agree to simply have nothing to do with him anymore. None of them will speak to him, none of them deal with him, none of them sign his players.
See how many players stick with him once they realise their only options for a transfer are Everton, West Ham, Udinese, etc, because every actual big club has told the fat pig to fuck off. See how much Pogba likes him once he gets told that Real, PSG, Juve, etc will not touch him anymore simply because of his involvement with that human sized ball sack.
His list of "big" players is pretty limited anyway, only really Pogba, Haaland, De Ligt, Verratti, and Donnarumma.
Fergie got very little wrong, and boy was he right about Raiola.
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Post by Paul on Dec 7, 2020 23:39:08 GMT
At least when Pogba eventually fucks off we won't have to deal with that penfold looking rat anymore. Pray to God none of our player sign up with him either.
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Post by aussiegraham on Dec 8, 2020 1:59:39 GMT
Even Lingard has ditched Raiola! (although that was a very strange arrangement to start with)
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Post by alwaysUnited on Dec 8, 2020 6:00:10 GMT
pogba and his agent can get fucked , utter shitcunts both of them. We should have learnt the lesson when he made that 'caption this' post after Jose got fired. First it was his 'dream of playing for Madrid' , then it was the french manager talking about how he is so much more happy at the French setup than the club ,now its his agent ..all this after Ole and the club has done everything to fit him into the team Hes played everywhere, maybe we should try him at wing back. Bruno signing just exposed him , he could do his lazy shit and look world class when all we had was fellaini , pereira and lingard. Now finally he has competition from Bruno and Donny , now that he not an automatic starter he wants to pack his bag and run ,well cant happen soon enough for us. |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 8, 2020 7:55:04 GMT
Someone with more knowledge pls correct me if I have this wrong but why Isco when you have Bruno, why asensio? Very inconsistent and arguably prefers playing centrally as an attacking mid.
I would think valverde and if on form varane are the more suitable options to our needs.
If we want swaps I think Juve are the team to look to as they have options that would suit us better
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 8, 2020 9:30:35 GMT
& to think that sorting out the Pogba situation that Jose had fucked up, was actually being touted often,as to why OGS was being successful!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 9:31:30 GMT
On Raiola too, it really would be satisfying to see the top clubs in the European leagues just all get together and agree to simply have nothing to do with him anymore. None of them will speak to him, none of them deal with him, none of them sign his players. See how many players stick with him once they realise their only options for a transfer are Everton, West Ham, Udinese, etc, because every actual big club has told the fat pig to fuck off. See how much Pogba likes him once he gets told that Real, PSG, Juve, etc will not touch him anymore simply because of his involvement with that human sized ball sack. His list of "big" players is pretty limited anyway, only really Pogba, Haaland, De Ligt, Verratti, and Donnarumma. Fergie got very little wrong, and boy was he right about Raiola. Easy to say when you want one of his players gone, but people here wanted the club torched when we didn't sign De Ligt and Haaland. Perfectly fine with me for that fat cunt being their agent alone.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Dec 8, 2020 12:53:56 GMT
Mugged us off again and on the verge of an important game This is solely to drive his price down. I’d say a club has been in his agent’s fat ear. This is a tactic, which is why I’d advocate a swap deal. Totally agree about a swap deal because any transfer fee will end up in Florida but more importantly I don’t think there’s a market for Pogba right now. Given the depressed state of club finances as a evidenced by the ‘summer’ window there won’t be a list of clubs willing to spend 100m on a reclamation project. I think this is a power play within United. Either trying to bilk Ed for more undeserved pounds every week in a new contract or more likely a play to get Ole sacked. I remember reading/hearing somewhere that one of the reasons Ole was brought in/made permanent was to get Pogba happy. Pogba’s stock has never been lower, he’s not playing or even starting anymore so maybe he’s hoping if we get smashed in the next two fixtures he can leverage this and get Ole out. It would sound far fetched if he didn’t have previous. 🤷🏽♂️ EDIT: Also, Ed couldn’t bring himself to accept 25m for Rojo. No chance he’s selling Pogba for less than stupid money. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Dec 8, 2020 13:04:41 GMT
Take 60 mil for him get rid and just replace, replace with anybody, dayot, grealish, just get him fucked of at the first possible moment in Jan.
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Post by mightyez on Dec 8, 2020 13:42:07 GMT
Genuinely speaking the club were ready to sell pogba summer gone, in fact they banked on it to get Sancho in rather than line any pockets.
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Post by ratbag on Dec 8, 2020 14:12:46 GMT
This from James Ducker...and whatever you think of Ducker, it's hard to argue with it...it's a bit long...
One spectacular goal does not make up for four years of indifference
By James Ducker,
Northern Football Correspondent
The thing about the Paul Pogba circus that is hardest to rationalise is not the lack of decorum or respect or loyalty — which, while distasteful, are not exactly new to football — but the enduring delusions of grandeur.
Mino Raiola, Pogba’s agent, tells us his client is “unhappy”. Well, certainly not as unhappy as Manchester United would have every right to be with him. Raiola informs us the France midfielder will not be signing a new contract. But why would United even contemplate rewarding a player who has done so little to deserve one on the pitch, let alone off it?
Raiola says Pogba is “no longer able to express himself as he would like” but why would Ole Gunnar Solskjaer give him a playmaking role when Bruno Fernandes has done far more in 12 months at Old Trafford than Pogba has managed in four-and-a-half supine years?
And Raiola has urged United to sell the player next summer. Which raises the question: to whom exactly? And when there are United supporters everywhere offering to drive Pogba to the airport and bid good riddance, what does that say?
Even if United were to accept half of the club-record £89 million fee they paid Juventus for Pogba in 2016, there are still £290,000 a week wages — for a player who seems to mainline indifference on the field like junkies do drugs.
All of this at a time when income streams have been decimated across the board by the coronavirus pandemic.
Real Madrid are not exactly flush with spare cash at the moment and their president, Florentino Perez, has never seemed to share the same appetite for Pogba as his coach Zinedine Zidane, who may not be in the job next summer anyway.
Juventus have explored re-signing Pogba but their sporting director Fabio Paratici’s remarks in May were revealing: “Pogba is a great player but logically the salary demands someone of his level would have had before is now more difficult to get hold of. Or at least he will have fewer clubs prepared to pay that money.”
Pogba’s best hope might be United accepting a token fee but are the Glazer family really going to swallow that?
There are other curveballs, too. Next summer, Lionel Messi could be on the market if he declines to sign a new contract with Barcelona. Might one of Neymar or Kylian Mbappe leave Paris Saint-Germain, too? Similarly, there have been rumours about Cristiano Ronaldo’s future at Juventus. And what of the younger, emerging talents such as Jadon Sancho and Erling Haaland at Borussia Dortmund?
All of those players have a currency far beyond that of Pogba. They are players who deliver routinely on the pitch at the highest level; players who frequently justify their sky-high reputations. Pogba sticks one in from 20 yards against West Ham on Saturday and suddenly that makes him an exceptional player again? Really?
The best do it week in, week out. United are lucky if they get a high-calibre performance out of Pogba every few months.
He says he was struggling to breathe properly and tiring quickly earlier this season after contracting Covid-19 but how does he explain his many other, long barren spells of form? The best players don’t make excuses. They get on with it but Pogba has been living on reputation far too long. When was he ever to United what Fernandes has been this year?
Gary Neville was among those who reacted dimly to the timing of Raiola’s interview with Tuttosport, given that it was published on the eve of a critical Champions League tie against RB Leipzig in Germany, when Solskjaer’s side need to avoid defeat to secure safe passage to the knockout rounds.
Neville’s feelings are thought to have been shared by many internally at Old Trafford but United created a rod for their own back the moment they backed Pogba over Jose Mourinho, Solskjaer’s predecessor as manager, and dangerously inflated the player’s sense of his own worth.
Mourinho took to calling Pogba “His Excellency” — a dry, if despairing, take on the status mistakenly afforded the Frenchman, whose delusions of grandeur seem only to have hardened in the intervening period, even if there is so little to justify them.
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