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Post by Bestie on Jan 31, 2022 20:32:05 GMT
During my full history watch-through it's shocking how much of early 90's WWF really is a trainwreck. Terrible gimmicks, misuse of decent talent, atrocious match-calling. Just brutal. How badly Vince fucked up nabbing Ric Flair makes me want to chuck things out the window. I’m assuming you don’t watch the current product (because you have more sense than me), but imagine the scenario of having twenty Ric Flairs and doing sod all with them/firing them. It’s never been more apparent that the bloke in charge is a geriatric. One of the characters is called Madcap Moss. Mania is being described as “stupendous” repeatedly on TV. Nobody has used those words in fifty years. I do not watch the current stuff. Gave up when Cena was anointed. Feels like we got a few great years immediately after WCW fell but the lack of competition told eventually. Vince doesn't have to care anymore - they're the only truly global show in town.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Jan 31, 2022 23:04:57 GMT
Right, I've been an on/off wrestling fan since being a kid but nowhere near as big as some of you guys. Only ever really watched WWE products too.
Throw at me some PPV's worth watching that are either pre 1997 WWE or any stuff from the other organisations that are available on the Network from any period.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 1, 2022 1:03:27 GMT
Right, I've been an on/off wrestling fan since being a kid but nowhere near as big as some of you guys. Only ever really watched WWE products too. Throw at me some PPV's worth watching that are either pre 1997 WWE or any stuff from the other organisations that are available on the Network from any period. There are plenty but WCW Great American Bash '89 and Beach Blast '92 are awesome.
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Post by Kojak on Feb 1, 2022 10:24:49 GMT
Right, I've been an on/off wrestling fan since being a kid but nowhere near as big as some of you guys. Only ever really watched WWE products too. Throw at me some PPV's worth watching that are either pre 1997 WWE or any stuff from the other organisations that are available on the Network from any period. There are plenty but WCW Great American Bash '89 and Beach Blast '92 are awesome. I had a WCW VHS when I was a kid called Best of Bash or something. It was matches from Great American Bash and Bash at the Beach events. The Sting/Cactus one from Beach Blast was on there and I must’ve watched and rewound until the tape snapped. Loved it.
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Post by Tatty on Feb 1, 2022 21:47:50 GMT
Stayed up for the Rumble last night but it was pretty poor. Opening match was the best. Annoyed as I stuck a fiver on Roman to retain, Lashley to win, Edge & Phoenix to win, and Lesnar to win the Rumble at about 6/1 - Roman being dq’d cost me. WWE is easily the worst it’s been since the early 90’s. More or less everything on it is fucking awful. Still had a good laugh watching the Rumble with a couple of mates yesterday though, but more for the wrong reasons. In ring, it’s arguably the best it’s ever been. It’s just everything else is at the whim of 3 or 4 out of touch men, in their 60’s, who are beholden to the whims of an absolute megalomaniac near 80 year old weirdo. Once Vince dies or sells, I can see the product getting better. Also, Hipster Farmer Brock is the best iteration of Brock Lesnar.
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Post by Kojak on Feb 1, 2022 23:21:06 GMT
WWE is easily the worst it’s been since the early 90’s. More or less everything on it is fucking awful. Still had a good laugh watching the Rumble with a couple of mates yesterday though, but more for the wrong reasons. In ring, it’s arguably the best it’s ever been. It’s just everything else is at the whim of 3 or 4 out of touch men, in their 60’s, who are beholden to the whims of an absolute megalomaniac near 80 year old weirdo. Once Vince dies or sells, I can see the product getting better. Also, Hipster Farmer Brock is the best iteration of Brock Lesnar. I think in general the in-ring is obviously a thousand times better than it was during boom eras in the business. But having said that, the total in-ring time on the shows of late has really dropped off. But there’s so many genuinely talented people there that given ten plus mins to wrestle, they’ll shine regardless of the dog shit being booked around them. I love Brock full stop, but yeah, I get a massive kick out of the current version.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 4, 2022 1:21:06 GMT
Does anyone who has a better knowledge of the backroom politics know how Dustin Rhodes ended up being 'hidden' behind the Goldust gimmick - was it just Vince away on on one of his usual odd kicks and Dustin wanting distance from his dad?
To be clear, I enjoy Goldust. Just seems weird given the family heritage.
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Post by Tatty on Feb 4, 2022 9:06:54 GMT
Does anyone who has a better knowledge of the backroom politics know how Dustin Rhodes ended up being 'hidden' behind the Goldust gimmick - was it just Vince away on on one of his usual odd kicks and Dustin wanting distance from his dad? To be clear, I enjoy Goldust. Just seems weird given the family heritage. In his book, he explains Goldust was a character Vince had wanted to do for years, but obviously, no one wanted to go anywhere near it. Dustin, hating his dad said he'd do it to rub his Dad the wrong way as much as possible. Goldust ruled though and likely revitalised Dustin's career, as he's always been a brilliant talent, but boy whew, was he bland.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 4, 2022 11:22:22 GMT
Does anyone who has a better knowledge of the backroom politics know how Dustin Rhodes ended up being 'hidden' behind the Goldust gimmick - was it just Vince away on on one of his usual odd kicks and Dustin wanting distance from his dad? To be clear, I enjoy Goldust. Just seems weird given the family heritage. In his book, he explains Goldust was a character Vince had wanted to do for years, but obviously, no one wanted to go anywhere near it. Dustin, hating his dad said he'd do it to rub his Dad the wrong way as much as possible. Goldust ruled though and likely revitalised Dustin's career, as he's always been a brilliant talent, but boy whew, was he bland. Makes sense. I might pick up his book actually, didn't realise he had one out. Goldust was brilliant, an example of the best outside the box stuff that was coming out in the Attitude/Monday Night Wars era. Dustin was great in the ring - you can tell that from The Natural run in WCW. Always seemed a bit constrained by the inevitable Dusty comparisons because he didn't have the same chat. Have to say, going back to watch pre-'My Era' wrestling has given me a completely different appreciation for a lot of guys.
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Post by Tatty on Feb 4, 2022 11:28:24 GMT
In his book, he explains Goldust was a character Vince had wanted to do for years, but obviously, no one wanted to go anywhere near it. Dustin, hating his dad said he'd do it to rub his Dad the wrong way as much as possible. Goldust ruled though and likely revitalised Dustin's career, as he's always been a brilliant talent, but boy whew, was he bland. Makes sense. I might pick up his book actually, didn't realise he had one out. Goldust was brilliant, an example of the best outside the box stuff that was coming out in the Attitude/Monday Night Wars era. Dustin was great in the ring - you can tell that from The Natural run in WCW. Always seemed a bit constrained by the inevitable Dusty comparisons because he didn't have the same chat. Have to say, going back to watch pre-'My Era' wrestling has given me a completely different appreciation for a lot of guys. His books a bit rubbish. Literally states something happened, then never really goes into a story, or anything, all very matter of fact. It's mad going back to watch stuff before you get hooked in. Like Steve Austin. It's mad to think how good he was for so long, got hurt then pivoted into the biggest draw in wrestling history.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 4, 2022 12:35:51 GMT
Makes sense. I might pick up his book actually, didn't realise he had one out. Goldust was brilliant, an example of the best outside the box stuff that was coming out in the Attitude/Monday Night Wars era. Dustin was great in the ring - you can tell that from The Natural run in WCW. Always seemed a bit constrained by the inevitable Dusty comparisons because he didn't have the same chat. Have to say, going back to watch pre-'My Era' wrestling has given me a completely different appreciation for a lot of guys. His books a bit rubbish. Literally states something happened, then never really goes into a story, or anything, all very matter of fact. It's mad going back to watch stuff before you get hooked in. Like Steve Austin. It's mad to think how good he was for so long, got hurt then pivoted into the biggest draw in wrestling history. A bit like his non-Goldust personas then. I don't care for the chronology, I want the backstory. I really started watching WWF while Austin was out and missed so much the first time around. Also missed the zenith of WCW. It's mental how much you forget you have either missed or not paid proper attention to. It's also a completely different experience watching entire shows rather than highlight matches. You feel the pops and get invested all over again.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 2, 2022 10:26:06 GMT
And so we arrive in Spring 1994, and the television debut of an upstart promotion, 'the' ECW. Eastern Championship Wrestling of course. According to living legend Terry Funk, Philadelphia is the birthplace of 'HC' (hardcore for the uninitiated) and we begin ...
WOOF.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Mar 2, 2022 18:01:53 GMT
Why does WWE have a tag team called Dirty Dawgs in 2022?
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Post by Kojak on Mar 2, 2022 18:40:26 GMT
Why does WWE have a tag team called Dirty Dawgs in 2022? Because everything on their programming at the minute is utter shite.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 2, 2022 18:46:54 GMT
Why does WWE have a tag team called Dirty Dawgs in 2022? Creative no longer gives a damn.
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