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Post by Bestie on May 30, 2011 15:30:04 GMT
an amusing vid with cornette and bearer ripping on kevin dunn That is F'ing hilarious. Love Percy P. 3! ah a bit of wrestling talk, a welcome distraction from the football. yeah agree with patrice, the attitude era is generally regarded as ending at mania 17. Explain when wrestling was dead then tatty, cos u said attitude era killed it, but now it's good-great, so when was it dead? tatty mate, people don't think wrestlings shit now just because it's not the attitude era. i know when you watch clips on youtube and that, that people make lots of comments about missing the attitude era, but a large section of the attitude demographic was still in tact til at least 2004, when i feel the WWE had a product to rival the attitude era, (lets call it the A.E.), once WWE put the botched Invasion angle behind them as pat touched on, from about 2004-2005 onwards, the in ring style has been slowed right down, the promos are over-scripted, in general the whole thing is massively over-produced. The consensus among many of the veterans is that no-one 'works' anymore, they 'perform', difference being that when you 'work' you listen to what the crowd is and isn't responding to and work with it. when you 'perform' you run with what's been drawn out behind the curtain, regardless of whether the fans are into it or not. same with the wooden, generic promos. People learned to talk in the past cos they were told, you two are having a match, go out and talk and sell some tickets. at the absolute most, they'd be asked to mention this or touch on that, the rest is up to you. thats it. but that represents an element of risk, and the company doesn't generally take risks anymore, everything is safety first Fair play though if you're enjoying it, thats all that matters i spose, i'll continue to read spoilers and watch the rumble and mania, at least til taker is retired. after that there is NOTHING left for me. I was excited about Sheamus, he could be a huge star, but that prick in production Kevin Dunn has taken a massive shit on him. That was the last fucking straw for me I think tatty can see the comparisons being made between today's product and the Attitude Era stuff. Today's stuff really doesn't stack up, and the comparison automatically sees it being regarded as shit. You're exactly right about the working vs. performing point and the 'old form' of having to sell your matches. I don't mean put over etc. in the ring, I mean the actual ticket/P.P.V. sales. In that regard, both the lack of competition and the sheer size alone of WWE has been a massive hindrance. I honestly believe if a half decent national federation could break through we'd see a much, much improved product. The 'Trice point about TNA is also summat I agree with. It was all going so well until they tried to go Teddy Turner and explode without gunpowder. E. G. Russo and Bischoff. |
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Post by Tatty on May 30, 2011 15:35:27 GMT
Russo's been in TNA for years, since about 04, so he was there in 'glory' years of X-division 5* matches and Christian Cage, so this down-turn isn't really his fault.
The fact they took Tenay and Dutch Mantel off booking is what started TNA's spiral.
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Post by Bestie on May 30, 2011 16:24:01 GMT
Russo's been in TNA for years, since about 04, so he was there in 'glory' years of X-division 5* matches and Christian Cage, so this down-turn isn't really his fault. The fact they took Tenay and Dutch Mantel off booking is what started TNA's spiral. I don't think it's Russo's fault, I think the problem occurred when Russo started falling into old habits when all the guys he used to work with started coming back into the creative fold. By 'himself' so to speak, he's actually alright, and comes up with some pretty decent stuff. It's just that seeing him back with the "old crew" seems to bring the worst out in him. I think Bischoff is sort of similar. |
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Post by jimbonda on May 30, 2011 16:29:35 GMT
russo has the odd good idea but he needs someone filtering out the shit, sadly it doesn't happen at TNA
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Post by Bestie on May 30, 2011 16:44:18 GMT
russo has the odd good idea but he needs someone filtering out the shit, sadly it doesn't happen at TNA Precisely. When he gets the familiar faces around him it seems like everytime he says, "I've an idea. . .", everyone else reacts like it's the next Albany Beer bath. |
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Post by Tatty on May 31, 2011 20:06:13 GMT
Russo's got some dark things in his head though, his writing for the Knockouts is a little uncomfortable at times.
Kharma's out of WWE for a while as she's up the duff.
Armando Estrada is now Tyson Kidd's manager, looks like they might build a stable.
Britani Knight has signed a development deal with the E, she's probably one of the best female wrestlers out there. Good for her.
Jon Moxley is now in FCW with a stupid name, which I forget. If he works out there, he's your next Mega-Star.
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Post by Bestie on May 31, 2011 22:04:51 GMT
Russo's got some dark things in his head though, his writing for the Knockouts is a little uncomfortable at times. Kharma's out of WWE for a while as she's up the duff. Armando Estrada is now Tyson Kidd's manager, looks like they might build a stable. Britani Knight has signed a development deal with the E, she's probably one of the best female wrestlers out there. Good for her. Jon Moxley is now in FCW with a stupid name, which I forget. If he works out there, he's your next Mega-Star. I think Moxley is going by Danny Ambrose. Or Dan Ambrose I'm not sure which. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jun 1, 2011 11:16:54 GMT
Armando Estrada is now Tyson Kidd's manager, looks like they might build a stable. not anymore. matt stryker has become his 3rd manager in as many weeks. it's time the manager era was recycled back in. starting with armandooooo, alejandrooooo, estrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrada |
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Post by Tatty on Jun 1, 2011 16:20:33 GMT
Armando Estrada is now Tyson Kidd's manager, looks like they might build a stable. not anymore. matt stryker has become his 3rd manager in as many weeks. it's time the manager era was recycled back in. starting with armandooooo, alejandrooooo, estrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrada Matt Striker as a manager would be gold. Start a stable of Internet fan favourites. Bring back Low-Ki. Could work. |
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Post by Tatty on Jun 1, 2011 16:21:07 GMT
Russo's got some dark things in his head though, his writing for the Knockouts is a little uncomfortable at times. Kharma's out of WWE for a while as she's up the duff. Armando Estrada is now Tyson Kidd's manager, looks like they might build a stable. Britani Knight has signed a development deal with the E, she's probably one of the best female wrestlers out there. Good for her. Jon Moxley is now in FCW with a stupid name, which I forget. If he works out there, he's your next Mega-Star. I think Moxley is going by Danny Ambrose. Or Dan Ambrose I'm not sure which. That's the one. If he makes, which I think he will, he'll go far. |
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Post by Supatrice> on Jun 1, 2011 20:29:24 GMT
I tried to watch TNA when it came on freeview in the uk but it was fucking awful, the wrestling was shockingly bad, looked so rehearsed, and it was just 2 guys helping eachother into spots, instead of wrestling. And some of the behind the scenes hidden camera stuff made me cringe. It's a shmae because I watced some of the matches on youtube and the stuff with Angle and Joe was really good. They had a lot of talent, like Angle, Joe, AJ, and also some big names, with a lot of interest and abilty on the mike like Nash, Sting, Flair and Foley. But the production is awful. And RVD and Jeff Hard are god awful wrestlers. They don't even deserve to be called wrestlers because they can't even get the basics right.
WWE is not what it was, but it still delivers sometimes. Tbh I only really start getting into it when they are building toward wrestlemania. Shawn Michaels retiring has taken a lot away from the product, he had 5 star matches nearly every time he got in the ring. They don't really have anyone that can have a match as good as that. I like the Rock too and it's great that they persuaded him to come back but he's getting to the point where like Hogan, he's doing the same old same old, and sooner or later people will get bored of him.
The problem with wrestling today is that the talent doesn't work the small territories like it used to, because they were forced to master the art and be able to talk and think for themselves. Now wrestlers come in and get given scripts, so they don't have the creativity and talent to make a great angle.
The best wrestling show on tv right now is wwe tough enough. It's the first time I have watched the series and Austin, Hugh Morris and Booker T all do a brilliant job. Was awsome to see Austin get in the ring with one of the hopefulls, wish he was in better shape, i'd love to see him come back and work more matches.
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Post by jimbonda on Jun 2, 2011 9:56:04 GMT
i watched a shoot with al snow last week, he touched on your point about the lack of territories, how talent might not get over in one, then they'd move to another and another and gain a perspective over how to evolve their act til people like it.
i think there is a place for the TNA amateur camera skits, if you see two guys plotting something for instance it makes sense that they didn't have a film crew in there with them, but perhaps someone was nosing around with a camera phone on the sly. but less is more, it's annoying to watch it between every match. the TNA production is pretty shocking, the cheap-arse entrance has always got on my nerves
i'm disappointed TNA didn't bring heyman on board, he had a 5 year plan to turn that baby around, he was gonna bring in a good supporting crew including gabe sapolsky from ROH
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Post by Tatty on Jun 2, 2011 13:24:51 GMT
i watched a shoot with al snow last week, he touched on your point about the lack of territories, how talent might not get over in one, then they'd move to another and another and gain a perspective over how to evolve their act til people like it. i think there is a place for the TNA amateur camera skits, if you see two guys plotting something for instance it makes sense that they didn't have a film crew in there with them, but perhaps someone was nosing around with a camera phone on the sly. but less is more, it's annoying to watch it between every match. the TNA production is pretty shocking, the cheap-arse entrance has always got on my nerves i'm disappointed TNA didn't bring heyman on board, he had a 5 year plan to turn that baby around, he was gonna bring in a good supporting crew including gabe sapolsky from ROH Gabe Sapolsky dropped out the deal to do DGUSA and Evolve, hence the move breaking down, also, Dixie didn't want to make deep roster cuts, which Heyman thought were necessary. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jun 2, 2011 16:02:47 GMT
as far as i understand, the carters dixie and her old man threw heymans proposals out the window, because they don't want to give heyman full creative control of their company. it's really as simple as that. he was the way forward, with or without sapolsky, (and i'm pretty sure sapolsky could have spared a couple of hours a week) and their best shot of creating a good product and just maybe make money and grow.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2011 23:48:17 GMT
I just got through watching this week's RAW. My God, they really are stretching the whole "Cena's a hero" thing right now. First, he does his entrance, then storms back up the ramp to get a soldier on camera. I get it, Memorial Day/Weekend, fair enough. But later on, Ron Killings throws some drink over a guy who is at RAW with his son, the pair of them looking like the John Cena merch stand shat on them, and Cena rushes over to apologise, gives an armband and everything. What a stand-up guy. If it wasn't so clearly a work, I might have let it go as a decent bit of improv from both guys.
That's not even the worst part. Throughout the match, Killings was acting the total cock, out of the ring after basically every Cena offense (which consisted entirely out of his 5 move repertoire) and the crowd still ended up chanting "Cena Sucks". R Truth was working his ass off to garner some serious heat and he just couldn't get it. The whole Cena as a fan favourite simply ain't working anymore. Your fan favourite cannot be getting booed every entrance and everytime he does a signature move. It's embarrassing. Killings actually did a really good job of working the crowd but he was figthing a losing battle all the way. Even his ultimate heel move (throwing the drink over the 'random' fan) didn't get as big of a negative response as Cena setting up for the 5 Knuckle Shuffle. Which he completely missed, AGAIN. I'm not asking for huge contact, just some, anything. Just don't slap the mat 4 inches from the guy's head. Million Dollar Man could hit a fist drop and make it look legit everytime. Why can't Cena do it once?
I shouldn't be made enraged by WWE! Cena is awful, 'E need to blood some proper superstars very quickly to fill out the top of the card and get Cena dropped.
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