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Post by Bestie on Dec 21, 2011 20:19:27 GMT
no this means rafael has competion from another rightback speacilist. it means above all else we have a proper righback More likely the twins have told fergie to do 1 on contract negotiations a situation he would have brought about by playing lessers or out of form players in there stated positions, If this is so i hope fergie gets the shunt Didn't they sign long agreements the last time we heard about them and contracts?
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Post by mightyez on Dec 22, 2011 17:51:28 GMT
yup longterm deals last year
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Post by fletchabey on Dec 22, 2011 18:44:34 GMT
What problems? We have about 4 players who can play that position to a very high standard. The fact we have some many that can play it is a testament to our depth, not that none of them are good enough. Tarded. Left back is were we should be looking to strengthen, but its hardly a priority. Both twins when having extended first team runs have made the position their own, they just need to stop pulling things.
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Post by jimbonda on Dec 22, 2011 19:12:20 GMT
What problems? We have about 4 players who can play that position to a very high standard. The fact we have some many that can play it is a testament to our depth, not that none of them are good enough. Tarded. Left back is were we should be looking to strengthen, but its hardly a priority. eh? we've got a first choice, first class LB and no first choice RB and you think it's LB we need to strengthen? all well and good having players who can do a shift at RB (and it's been a good opportunity for smalling and jones) but if a player comes along who can be our right sided Evra let's have him. (not saying the palace player is that guy but not the point)
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Post by fletchabey on Dec 22, 2011 19:25:19 GMT
No, not 'can do a shift', they've all been very good at right back. I don't see why having some flexibility is being coloured as a bad thing. Evra is an incredibly durable player though, rarely injured. The only problem is he has no competition when his form drops, he was kinda bad a lot of last season, better this season but still rarely looks unbeatable. I would go far the say our 'fill ins' at right back have been as good as him, if not better recently.
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Post by jimbonda on Dec 22, 2011 21:09:01 GMT
No, not 'can do a shift', they've all been very good at right back. I don't see why having some flexibility is being coloured as a bad thing. Evra is an incredibly durable player though, rarely injured. The only problem is he has no competition when his form drops, he was kinda bad a lot of last season, better this season but still rarely looks unbeatable. I would go far the say our 'fill ins' at right back have been as good as him, if not better recently. why do you say 'fill ins' with speech marks? fill ins is what they are. jones and smalling are center halves. they aren't the long-term answer for right back. they are center half pairing for club and country. if a player comes along who has a chance of becoming first choice RB for the long-term we'll take him. it's not a priority right now but this aint the place to talk about the midfield.
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Post by 7even on Dec 22, 2011 21:13:18 GMT
jones and smalling are center halves. they aren't the long-term answer for right back. they are center half pairing for club and country. Nice to see. Feel as if I've been banging my head against a wall.
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Post by fletchabey on Dec 22, 2011 21:57:41 GMT
No, not 'can do a shift', they've all been very good at right back. I don't see why having some flexibility is being coloured as a bad thing. Evra is an incredibly durable player though, rarely injured. The only problem is he has no competition when his form drops, he was kinda bad a lot of last season, better this season but still rarely looks unbeatable. I would go far the say our 'fill ins' at right back have been as good as him, if not better recently. why do you say 'fill ins' with speech marks? fill ins is what they are. jones and smalling are center halves. they aren't the long-term answer for right back. they are center half pairing for club and country. if a player comes along who has a chance of becoming first choice RB for the long-term we'll take him. it's not a priority right now but this aint the place to talk about the midfield. Smallings will be a centre half, but I wouldn't say Jones has any fixed position at the moment. Though do you have a bone of contention with claiming a CB at RB has actually been better than our proper left back? The twins are the long term solution. The injury record is hardly ideal but hopefully they'll get a bit more lucky in future. Unless your writing them both off to the scrap heap, I do not see where I'm wrong that a left back is a more pressing concern to right back. If Evra gets injured we basically have no cover, as Evans is playing CB already and he'd be our second choice left back. We do have Fryers, but he's untested and as far as I know, actually a Cb himself.
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Post by jimbonda on Dec 23, 2011 0:50:23 GMT
Though do you have a bone of contention with claiming a CB at RB has actually been better than our proper left back? yes i do cos while pat hasn't been hitting the high notes of 2 and 3 years ago he's a proper full-back and i wouldn't say anyone who has played at RB this season has showed him up. although there is a degree of evra-hating on this forum so i don't expect many to agree. you say the twins are the future then claim we have no cover at LB, where Fabio could be a cracking player. so presumably long-term we'll be alright, and you are talking about cover for Evra now. well how many fit RB's do we have in the short term? if smalling the center half gets hurt or has to play in the middle (replacing rio which is ever likely) we will end up playing valencia the winger in there. so which is the more urgent position i ask you?!! we can go back and forth but i think it makes more sense to buy a RB.
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Post by jimbonda on Dec 23, 2011 0:50:55 GMT
jones and smalling are center halves. they aren't the long-term answer for right back. they are center half pairing for club and country. Nice to see. Feel as if I've been banging my head against a wall. surprising one, they are an obvious partnership aren't they.
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Post by 7even on Dec 23, 2011 1:00:39 GMT
Absolutely. I'd be very, very surprised and saddened if they weren't nailed on to be our back central pair.
I know nothing at all about this Clyne lad.
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Post by Bestie on Dec 23, 2011 10:04:39 GMT
I reckon Evans and Smalling with Jones in midfield is a better combination. I've said it before, Jones is too good going forward and in front of the back four to be in a back four.
Ditto on Clyne by the way, never watch Palace really.
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Post by fletchabey on Dec 23, 2011 10:53:44 GMT
Though do you have a bone of contention with claiming a CB at RB has actually been better than our proper left back? yes i do cos while pat hasn't been hitting the high notes of 2 and 3 years ago he's a proper full-back and i wouldn't say anyone who has played at RB this season has showed him up. although there is a degree of evra-hating on this forum so i don't expect many to agree. you say the twins are the future then claim we have no cover at LB, where Fabio could be a cracking player. so presumably long-term we'll be alright, and you are talking about cover for Evra now. well how many fit RB's do we have in the short term? if smalling the center half gets hurt or has to play in the middle (replacing rio which is ever likely) we will end up playing valencia the winger in there. so which is the more urgent position i ask you?!! we can go back and forth but i think it makes more sense to buy a RB. There is no 'evra-hating'. Unless by 'hating' you some how mean those that are free to say he's been playing poorly when... he's been playing poorly. As already stated he was poor pretty much ALL of last year. Previously being the best LB around in past years does not make him immune to any form of criticism, especially when his form is being measured over many months and not any type of knee jerk. His defensive positional sense disappeared last season, improved again this season but still usually switches off at least once per game. Please though don't call it hating, its seem dismissive and unfair. I'm not calling for his head on a chopping block, just saying he's not as solid as he once was. Who knows, maybe if he didn't start 95% of our games each year he be better rested and better performing. Maybe. About fit RB's, Rafael is back and was on the bench on Wednesday. That somewhat undermines your 'short term' comment, are you suggesting we sign some championship lad just because we have a couple of players are injured close to (already) returning. Our transfer shouldn't be dictated by short term. Do we even have any evidence he'd even be better than Valencia at right back? unlike Evra at least that's a defender with end product. Valencia certainly isn't a natural defender, but him and Nani in combo are pretty good as flat track bullies. anyway, enough of something I said was a low priority to begin with We're going in circles. About Jones though, the lads got so much ability I wouldn't write him into any position as of yet.
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Post by Bestie on Dec 23, 2011 11:00:35 GMT
I like the Valencia/Nani right side combintation. Flat-track annihilation is exactly right, especially against lower sides. Like Wigan, who have no minted left winger. Hint hint.
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Post by vivajones on Dec 23, 2011 20:40:29 GMT
Having only watched him for a few games I don't have much of an opinion on him, he was fantastic in the games I have seen him though. It would be good to see another talented young player at the club.
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