Kagawa

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I hope to god it's not 4-4-1-1.

[Jayrannasaurus]

The thing is, a 4-4-1-1 could just as easily be a 4-5-1 when we're not in possession, with Kagawa as one of the 5 and a lone striker up top. Also, it could just as easily be a 4-2-3-1 when we're on the counter, with the wingers and Kagawa moving up. Kagawa's switch forward and backwards, along with the wingers, basically just alters the formation.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

The formation doesnt make one bit of difference - its down to which 11 players are out there and the game plan they have been given.

We could line up in a 10-0-0 formation and still have Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Tony V, Carrick, etc out there and they will still get forward.

4-4-1-1 easily becomes 4-4-2, or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3 or any other number of combos if the right players are on the pitch.

[Jayrannasaurus]

Yeah, essentially you'll still have 5 ''midfielders'' on the pitch along with your 4 defenders and a lone striker, in whatever formation.

[fletchabey]

Jun 22, 2012 9:26:16 GMT ScholesEvilTwin said:

The formation doesnt make one bit of difference - its down to which 11 players are out there and the game plan they have been given.

I dont really agree with that, sure formations sound like they are talking about rigid shapes but thats not really the point, its a way of explaining roles. Surely we as cultured, educated football fans know what we mean. Its just a descriptive tool more than anything. I do think some dont quite get it though.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

When we had Ronaldo, he generally started on the right, but never stayed there. We pretty much changed formations every 5 seconds with him out there.

When we played 4-4-2 last season it essentially became 4-4-1-1 because Rooney kept dropping back to try and create something. There will be plenty of positional changing in every game - especially when Nani, Kagawa, Young & Rooney are in the same team


EDIT: That was the point i was trying to make Fletch - they aren't rigid.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Hope he doesnt mind the rain

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[Jayrannasaurus]

I honestly haven't been this excited about a new signing since Hargreaves.

Missing puzzle piece (one of the more important ones, a corner piece perhaps) lads.

Ps. His agent (I assume, or just his elder Asian friend) is getting drenched.

[traffordbrown]

Shinji is here!

[jimbonda]

Jun 22, 2012 7:47:02 GMT Jayrannasaurus said:

Kagawa said his new boss Sir Alex Ferguson had promised to use him behind a central striker in a 4-4-1-1 formation, the major daily Asahi Shimbun reported.

good to see japan red tops are as full of shit as our own. i fucking hate this on so many levels

[Raf's Hairdryer Treatment]

Jun 22, 2012 7:47:02 GMT Jayrannasaurus said:

Kagawa said his new boss Sir Alex Ferguson had promised to use him behind a central striker in a 4-4-1-1 formation, the major daily Asahi Shimbun reported.

Does anyone know if Fergie promised to use him behind the striker, or behind the striker in a specific formation?

Just thinking that if it's the first, then why couldn't we play 2 behind the striker? Rooney spent so much time playing deep last year he looked like an AM rather than a CF.

Thinking that we could try a similar system to Barca's, with just 1 defensive/destroying mid (Carrick) who mops up and gives it simple, or tries the occasional Hollywood pass. Then we have 2 attacking mids in Rooney and Kagawa who play behind the striker and overlap. Kind of like a 4-1-4-1.

Thoughts?

[ratbag]

Jun 22, 2012 10:24:59 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Jun 22, 2012 7:47:02 GMT Jayrannasaurus said:

Kagawa said his new boss Sir Alex Ferguson had promised to use him behind a central striker in a 4-4-1-1 formation, the major daily Asahi Shimbun reported.

Does anyone know if Fergie promised to use him behind the striker, or behind the striker in a specific formation?

Just thinking that if it's the first, then why couldn't we play 2 behind the striker? Rooney spent so much time playing deep last year he looked like an AM rather than a CF.

Thinking that we could try a similar system to Barca's, with just 1 defensive/destroying mid (Carrick) who mops up and gives it simple, or tries the occasional Hollywood pass. Then we have 2 attacking mids in Rooney and Kagawa who play behind the striker and overlap. Kind of like a 4-1-4-1.

Thoughts?

This has been my thought for ages but not sure whether this gives enough cover to the back 4. It would accommodate Shinji, Rooney and Wellbeck nicely though...still trying to find room for Clevers

[Raf's Hairdryer Treatment]

Jun 22, 2012 10:35:37 GMT ratbag said:

This has been my thought for ages but not sure whether this gives enough cover to the back 4. It would accommodate Shinji, Rooney and Wellbeck nicely though...still trying to find room for Clevers

Would be nice if we could the ball in the middle of the park for long enough that the back 4 or centre halves don't need to worry so much.

[Bestie]

Jun 22, 2012 8:50:19 GMT alt said:

I hope to god it's not 4-4-1-1.

Why? 4-4-1-1 is a brilliant formation. I actually prefer it to a straight 4-4-2, there's more room for fluidity, as people have said.

The best place for a forawrd midfielder is between the lines of midfield and defense, why not just have someone stay in that position? Can cause havoc with the right player in there, especially intelligent and nippy onesDefenders won't know whether to push out on the AM, or mark the striker, and the midfield already have 2 CMs to worry about. It's a formation, that with the right application, can either stretch a team leaving gaps in the middle, or really squeeze them and leave acres on the flanks. Either of which suit us to the ground!

So excited for Kagawa being pictured with Big Dave and a red shirt with his name on it.

[jimbonda]

Jun 22, 2012 11:58:52 GMT Bestie said:

Jun 22, 2012 8:50:19 GMT alt said:

I hope to god it's not 4-4-1-1.

Why? 4-4-1-1 is a brilliant formation. I actually prefer it to a straight 4-4-2, there's more room for fluidity, as people have said.

4-4-1-1 is just another way of expressing 4-4-2, unless neither of the strikers drop off which is pretty rare these days.