RVP

[Tatty]

Jul 5, 2012 15:55:53 GMT Bestie said:

Jul 5, 2012 15:46:47 GMT Tatty said:

RVP would improve us immensely, him and Pea would destroy defences with RVP dropping deeper and smashing shots from range for Pea to feed off. Plus, he's a tall lad, and would provide us with something of a target man, and I think this could be a goer.

That relies on Hernandez starting games for us, which should never happen.

That's just a waste of a player though, and I think Hernandez will benefit from having a free Summer this year, re-charge the batteries, get rid of any aches and pains and come back, fresh, injury free and hungry to play.

[JamBritRed]

Jul 5, 2012 15:55:53 GMT Bestie said:

That relies on Hernandez starting games for us, which should never happen.

Bestie..... that HURT. i agree parts of his game need improving, but not starting material? i mean not even in the Cup/Lower league games? give the guy some credit, second season blues may have got him last season, but still..... i cant agree with u there mate.

[Stew]

Hernandez is going to love playing with Kagawa. Absolutely love it.

[ginger18legend]

Just as everyone else has said, respectfully disagree with your opinion Bestie. We're talking about a debut season fans' player of the season here! IMO Hernandez is twice the finisher Welbeck is even if his link up play isn't as good. Berba, Welbeck and Hernandez are all equally amazing on their day. Who gets to start depends on the type of opposition we're up against.

[karthy]

if we are to play the fluid system and with Kagawa in advanced role , then i agree with Stew that Chico will love playing with Kagawa and if i am not mistaken Chico still got in to double figures in the goals column with his injury and all , so very harsh to say that he isn't starting material.

On RvP , maybe we could trade in Berba , lots of people think he is deadwood and needs to be sold( Not one of them , mind you)

[JamBritRed]

u r on to something there Karthy. that is a mint idea! and i think Arsenal would want him too, he is a very good footballer after all, just not good in our style of play..

[jimbonda]

Jul 5, 2012 16:05:37 GMT Tatty said:

Jul 5, 2012 15:55:53 GMT Bestie said:

That relies on Hernandez starting games for us, which should never happen.

That's just a waste of a player though, and I think Hernandez will benefit from having a free Summer this year, re-charge the batteries, get rid of any aches and pains and come back, fresh, injury free and hungry to play.

hernandez is a quality player. he's good enough to start games and he'll improve. the old cliche is true never judge a player on their second season

as for RVP, he's finally had a good season at 28/29 years old for le arse, and we should shunt out welbeck and chico for him? no fucking way, they are the future.

[tommyred]

To be fair to RVP he's had a great 18 months rather than a great season. Slightly different.

But his age and his injury history would make signing him a massive gamble, and yeah buying somebody like him and throwing him in at the expense of young players wouldn't sit well with me, especially in the case of Welbeck. For years we've been waiting to produce a forward who can make the grade. Now we have one, so let's play him and let him develop the way we hope he will. Local lad to boot. Not many of them in the team anymore.

[Bestie]

On Hernandez, I'm not saying don't start him because he had an only okay second season. Or that he isn't good enough - his all around game is shocking but that's an aside.

I never want him to start because playing him from the bench is lethal tactically. I say it over and over, and I'll never stop. Pummel defences with the strength and presence of Welbeck and Rooney. Throw in Kagawa bombing into the box at will and causing all sorts of problems. Dizzy defences with Nani or Young cutting in from the left, and teams having to knacker themselves doubling up on Valencia for 65-70 minutes.

Then to compound all of that, you swap Welbeck for a completely fresh flying machine like Hernandez on 70 minutes? We could torture teams. And Hernandez could get 25 goals playing a majority of his football from the bench.

On RVP. It's a yes for reasonable money. But he'd be a luxury bought for reasons reaching beyond football. We should be looking for players we need first. Then see where the van Persie bandwagon rolls to.

[jimbonda]

i know what u mean about hernandez impact as a sub. don't get me wrong i want welbeck to get lots of football but i don't want to see chico regularly sat on the bench. he is a real quality goal scorer and i would not be surprised in the slightest if one of the spanish big 2 or even both came in for him. he'll play a big role next season, i can see him catching fire.

[shrike59]

Hopefully RVP has too much class to go to city or chelsea. I would figure real or barca. Come here? No way, and only 15 mill?

[Jayrannasaurus]

Jul 5, 2012 22:00:45 GMT Bestie said:

On Hernandez, I'm not saying don't start him because he had an only okay second season. Or that he isn't good enough - his all around game is shocking but that's an aside.

I never want him to start because playing him from the bench is lethal tactically. I say it over and over, and I'll never stop. Pummel defences with the strength and presence of Welbeck and Rooney. Throw in Kagawa bombing into the box at will and causing all sorts of problems. Dizzy defences with Nani or Young cutting in from the left, and teams having to knacker themselves doubling up on Valencia for 65-70 minutes.

Then to compound all of that, you swap Welbeck for a completely fresh flying machine like Hernandez on 70 minutes? We could torture teams. And Hernandez could get 25 goals playing a majority of his football from the bench.

Completely agree, his all round play when the game is still fresh is just not there yet. He's absolutely lethal with tiring defences so use him off the bench and, if his form permits it, then give him a start or two. He's just pretty ineffectual from the off, which isn't at all an insult, he's a fantastic player.

[Stew]

Hernadez looked burnt out last season. I don't think we should start making sweeping statements about him as a player until we see how he looks next season after a proper rest. He didn't look like an impact sub against Chelsea in May 2011. Just ask David Luiz!

[karthy]

Jul 6, 2012 7:40:39 GMT Stew said:

Hernadez looked burnt out last season. I don't think we should start making sweeping statements about him as a player until we see how he looks next season after a proper rest. He didn't look like an impact sub against Chelsea in May 2011. Just ask David Luiz!

More than Luiz , i for one think Ancelloti will never ever forget Chico's goal. Besides Chico is too good to be slotted into the Impact Sub Role.

While his overall play may need to be improved , i'd still start him from game to game. Rotate him with Welbeck with games where we play 4-4-2 with Rooney and in big games ( as always) when we do try to play "flood the Midfield" go with Rooney alone. Rooney can get the next game off and we could try with Welbs and Chico for say 60-75 Minutes and then swap them with Berba( if he is still There) or with Rooney if the partnership hasn't worked or we still need a goal to win.

But to be fair , we do need to see how Chico plays with Kagawa and/or a changed System and with him being fresh. He is too happy a player that 'd want on the field more often than as a sub TBH

[Bestie]

Jul 6, 2012 14:24:30 GMT karthy said:

Jul 6, 2012 7:40:39 GMT Stew said:

Hernadez looked burnt out last season. I don't think we should start making sweeping statements about him as a player until we see how he looks next season after a proper rest. He didn't look like an impact sub against Chelsea in May 2011. Just ask David Luiz!

More than Luiz , i for one think Ancelloti will never ever forget Chico's goal. Besides Chico is too good to be slotted into the Impact Sub Role.

While his overall play may need to be improved , i'd still start him from game to game. Rotate him with Welbeck with games where we play 4-4-2 with Rooney and in big games ( as always) when we do try to play "flood the Midfield" go with Rooney alone. Rooney can get the next game off and we could try with Welbs and Chico for say 60-75 Minutes and then swap them with Berba( if he is still There) or with Rooney if the partnership hasn't worked or we still need a goal to win.

But to be fair , we do need to see how Chico plays with Kagawa and/or a changed System and with him being fresh. He is too happy a player that 'd want on the field more often than as a sub TBH

He isn't though. Outside the box Hernandez is a pretty woeful player. With everyone going on about attacking fluidity, he doesn't fit.