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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 12:12:11 GMT
Thought it was great. Not gonna let people bring me down. I think it's the most impressive thing ever put on tv and I enjoyed literally every minute of it. Visually it absolutely is and as far as storyline, character development and scripting goes as well I'd agree for the first 6 seasons but they've absolutely rushed the final 2 seasons IMO. This show needed a good few seasons more to finish in a satisfactory fashion.
Even read that George is disappointed by the ending and feels it's been rushed.
Goerge is a hack, can't finish his own fucking story. It took less than 10 years for J.K Rowling to wrap up 7 books in a neat little bow with zero pacing issues. |
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Post by Monty on May 20, 2019 12:15:26 GMT
I don't mind a lot of stuff that happened in the final episode, in fact I like most of it but the point is that I don't like how we got there. They spent 6 seasons building an intricate and complex story beautifully, in which the pacing was virtually spot on throughout, only for the final 2 seasons to go.. BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, FINISHED! That is literally how it feels to me. The last two seasons needed to be 10 episodes long as well. Even that might not have been enough time to satisfactorily wrap everything up. It feels to me like D & D just wanted to get this over and done with so they could collect their Star Wars money. |
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Post by redcase on May 20, 2019 12:36:42 GMT
Visually it absolutely is and as far as storyline, character development and scripting goes as well I'd agree for the first 6 seasons but they've absolutely rushed the final 2 seasons IMO. This show needed a good few seasons more to finish in a satisfactory fashion.
Even read that George is disappointed by the ending and feels it's been rushed.
Goerge is a hack, can't finish his own fucking story. It took less than 10 years for J.K Rowling to wrap up 7 books in a neat little bow with zero pacing issues. How can you compare that fucking children's book to this ? Honestly, it's like comparing Enid Blyton to Tolkien. Game of Thrones is never, and was never, only about the plot. The characters are the sole reason this show has reached where it has. Just imagine, without these characters written the way they are, this show is just another generic medieval fantasy story. We've got fucking tonnes of those. What we don't have is these characters. Season 8 has been the worst season in GoT , there is absolutely no other way around that. It has been completely rushed, all the care that has gone into writing the characters has gone out the window, nearly everything is inconsistent with the canon of seasons past. The main reason is that they didn't have the source material anymore, imo. Benioff and Weiss are very good at setpieces, but not so much as writers , if this season is anything to go by. In fact, I'm wondering what they'll do to Star Wars now... They could have taken their time with it, but they chose to close it out. It isn't the best way to go out, to be honest. |
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Post by redcase on May 20, 2019 12:40:07 GMT
Thought it was great. Not gonna let people bring me down. I think it's the most impressive thing ever put on tv and I enjoyed literally every minute of it. Visually it absolutely is and as far as storyline, character development and scripting goes as well I'd agree for the first 6 seasons but they've absolutely rushed the final 2 seasons IMO. This show needed a good few seasons more to finish in a satisfactory fashion.
Even read that George is disappointed by the ending and feels it's been rushed.
I refuse to sugar coat it, tbh. 2 years of waiting and it is absolutely underwhelming. The first 6 seasons are the greatest in TV history, but these 2 miss the mark by their own lofty standards. Looks like I'm going to have to read the books, whenever they do come out.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 12:46:01 GMT
Goerge is a hack, can't finish his own fucking story. It took less than 10 years for J.K Rowling to wrap up 7 books in a neat little bow with zero pacing issues. How can you compare that fucking children's book to this ? Honestly, it's like comparing Enid Blyton to Tolkien. Game of Thrones is never, and was never, only about the plot. The characters are the sole reason this show has reached where it has. Just imagine, without these characters written the way they are, this show is just another generic medieval fantasy story. We've got fucking tonnes of those. What we don't have is these characters. Season 8 has been the worst season in GoT , there is absolutely no other way around that. It has been completely rushed, all the care that has gone into writing the characters has gone out the window, nearly everything is inconsistent with the canon of seasons past. The main reason is that they didn't have the source material anymore, imo. Benioff and Weiss are very good at setpieces, but not so much as writers , if this season is anything to go by. In fact, I'm wondering what they'll do to Star Wars now... They could have taken their time with it, but they chose to close it out. It isn't the best way to go out, to be honest. It's comparing great books with an unfinished series. The point being, it can be done. If the books do ever get released, which they won't, watch the way they dissapoint everyone. Martin knows it and that's why he doesn't want to write it. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on May 20, 2019 12:46:50 GMT
These writers completely killed the Jon Snow arc. Why build up the issue of his parentage from season 1 (!!), reveal it in seasons 6 and 7 and then end it off like that. Episode 3 and the battle of winterfell was the peak up until Arya Stark killed the night king. It’s been downhill from that point onwards and a gigantic fucking failure. At least we have seasons 1 to 7.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 14:52:17 GMT
Inctedible TV show and one of the best I've ever seen, gutted that its ended now.
As said above somewhere about Jon going back to black. Their purpose had been and gone so theres no need for it anymore. Understandable that he couldn't go unpunished though. The part with Jon and Ghost, I was loving that. I was just hoping for more from Jon's story, seemed to get built up for it to end up rather underwhelming.
Sansa was just interested in her throne and nothing else, fuck her the whiney cunt. Annoying that she survived.
All those wars and yet the unsullied seemed to multiply somehow so fuck knows where they all came from.
Was sorta hoping Drogon would have gone over the wall with Jon with him being a Targaryen but the fact he killed Dany I suppose was enough for him to vanish.
Glad Tyrion survived as well, one of my favourite characters in the whole show.
A lot of it was predictable but the ending with the Starks rulling was a fitting end.
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Post by stilgar on May 20, 2019 15:50:48 GMT
It wasn't a terrible ending but it wasn't great either. It was a little underwhelming and some things doesn't make sense.
Drogon melting the iron throne is a deeply symbolic act. He must be a very intelligent dragon to understand this symbolism and he must care very much about human politics.
Bran as a king is weird. He is essentially a nobody in most of Westeros. He is just a cripple with some fairy tales in his head. Why is he such a great choice and why would anyone want to follow him as a king? Except maybe the north but they decided to stay independent so Bran lost his whole power base. It's just some foggy utopia.
The Usullied and the Dothraki after butchering half of Kings Landing and losing their queen suddenly became very civilized and they gave up their power and position peacefully.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 15:53:29 GMT
It wasn't a terrible ending but it wasn't great either. It was a little underwhelming and some things doesn't make sense.
Drogon melting the iron throne is a deeply symbolic act. He must be a very intelligent dragon to understand this symbolism and he must care very much about human politics.
Bran as a king is weird. He is essentially a nobody in most of Westeros. He is just a cripple with some fairy tales in his head. Why is he such a great choice and why would anyone want to follow him as a king? Except maybe the north but they decided to stay independent so Bran lost his whole power base. It's just some foggy utopia.
The Usullied and the Dothraki after butchering half of Kings Landing and losing their queen suddenly became very civilized and they gave up their power and position peacefully.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on May 20, 2019 16:59:32 GMT
The pace was always going to have to pick up, otherwise we'd never get a satisfactory conclusion. I think the problem was the shorter seasons. If it were S7 & 8 having 10 episodes each, there would have been enough breathing space whilst still keeping the fast pace IMO. A few things that could have been done differently with the extra episodes: - The Walkers winning an earlier battle, and the battle with them possibly going over two episodes if there was a way to work it. Really make it feel like winter has come.
- More time in S7 (and also 8) to see Jon and Dany just falling in love.
- More time spent with Dany to see her final descent into madness. I have no issues with the plot points but would have appreciated at least an episode between Missandei's death and the battle to give her time to breathe, plus more mourning of Jorah and her two lost dragons.
- More time to see Jaime's state of mind as he goes back to Cersei.
- More time for Euron (only joking, no one wants that).
- Time to add in an obstacle that requires Arya to use her fucking faceless men powers.
- Time to add in an obstacle that requires Bran's fucking time travel powers.
Not much of the final episode would actually have to change, because most of the points it builds towards (bar Bran being King) would have been laid out more beforehand. The choice to have so few episodes was apparently solely D&D's, and that's the biggest mark against them IMO.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on May 20, 2019 17:04:12 GMT
Also, whilst D&D absolutely deserve a ton of censure, I think some of that needs to be sent GRRM's way. I have absolutely no doubt that he has no idea what is happening with a lot of these plot points. I think he knows the Dany, Jon, Sansa and Bran endings, but has no idea what to do with Arya, or how to get the other 4 to where they need to be. The show gets criticised (rightly) for going too fast, but he has the opposite problem that he is now going far too slowly in the books. We've had something like 10% of Winds' chapters released, and basically fuck all happens in any of them. There is no way in hell he finishes in 7 books, and probably not at all. That's down to him.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 17:53:54 GMT
Actually I wouldnt have minded more Euron build up time as he was a complete maniac in the book. Doing things to try and piss off the Gods and it ends up making him believe hes invincible. The guy is batshit insane.
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Post by Carbon on May 20, 2019 19:31:36 GMT
Actually felt sorry for Drogon when he was nudging Danny but why did he just not burn Jon? Where did he go? Why take her body? |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:33:02 GMT
Anyone else feel completely deflated? I'm actually gutted. Some people have said "It's a tv show, get over it." but I've fucking lived this show for 8 years. Loved most of it more than any tv show or movie I've ever watched in my life, actually I'd even go as far as to say viewing Game of Thrones has given me as much pleasure and enjoyment as almost anything. Then waited 2 years for the finale and feel let down. I just can't believe it's over and in an unsatisfactory manner.
I was going to watch an old episode tonight to remember how good it was but I feel that will be more depressing than enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 20:28:22 GMT
Anyone else feel completely deflated? I'm actually gutted. Some people have said "It's a tv show, get over it." but I've fucking lived this show for 8 years. Loved most of it more than any tv show or movie I've ever watched in my life, actually I'd even go as far as to say viewing Game of Thrones has given me as much pleasure and enjoyment as almost anything. Then waited 2 years for the finale and feel let down. I just can't believe it's over and in an unsatisfactory manner. I was going to watch an old episode tonight to remember how good it was but I feel that will be more depressing than enjoyable. I think Endgame being so good and emotional kind of affected GOT at least timing wise. But yeah I totally feel your pain. I've read the books and watched the series through at least twice. Sad that it ends but that it ends slightly flat is the oddest part of it all. |
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