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Post by jimbonda on Aug 25, 2012 16:22:26 GMT
once again, vs Fulham today.
good going forward. goal threat
defensively gets beaten too easily. gives away stupid free kicks.
what worries me is that while we've seen good attacking full-backs mature into good defenders, i doubt he has the intelligence. watch him giving away needless free kicks on the halfway line when fulham are mounting the pressure on. you've gotta be thick to go flying in there. he's old enough and experienced enough to know not to do it. he seems to be a player who doesn't learn lessons
shame cos he's the bravest fucker, puts his head where i wouldn't put a foot.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 25, 2012 16:31:23 GMT
He turns in a MotM performance and you still want to lay into him, why am I not too surprised?
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 25, 2012 16:38:23 GMT
MOTM in who's opinion? not mine. a defender who can't do his primary job doesn't get MotM unless the side was offering fuck all going forward and he was dragging us kicking and screaming into the opponents half. and this werent the case
i'm maybe one of the few on here who has doubts about him, but don't paint it like i'm on a witchhunt for him or owt. also since i don't knee-jerk and im the Outlook Realist who doesn't get in a flap over setbacks i resent that lil remark.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 25, 2012 16:49:02 GMT
he's old enough and experienced enough to know not to do it. he seems to be a player who doesn't learn lessons [/quote Hes just turned 22 ffs. The irony when you stick up for Evra all the time, yet hes vastly more experienced, but lay into a youngster who is still years away from his peak. |
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 25, 2012 16:49:41 GMT
I certainly not one to get flappy over critiquing of players, I do more than most. Its just strange to go into after a good performance, perfect? No but good still. Its at that point a critique begins to look like an agenda. I'm not saying it is, but could give off that impression. Maybe its just me though, players I complain about, I pay extra effort into praising when they do actually perform.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 25, 2012 16:52:50 GMT
I agree with Jimbo on his analysis of Rafael in today's game. To someone watching the highlights he may have seemed like MOTM but he messed up quite often in defence. In fact no one in particular stood out. Would probably give it to RVP for that peach despite being generally anonymous. Kagawa had a very good game again. Best player in our squad on form. By far!
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 25, 2012 16:54:11 GMT
Oh i have now read he lost the ball in the build up to the first, I missed the opening 5 mins :S. Probably not motm but good none the less.
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Post by karthy on Aug 25, 2012 17:00:27 GMT
once again, vs Fulham today. good going forward. goal threat defensively gets beaten too easily. gives away stupid free kicks. what worries me is that while we've seen good attacking full-backs mature into good defenders, i doubt he has the intelligence. watch him giving away needless free kicks on the halfway line when fulham are mounting the pressure on. you've gotta be thick to go flying in there. he's old enough and experienced enough to know not to do it. he seems to be a player who doesn't learn lessons shame cos he's the bravest fucker, puts his head where i wouldn't put a foot. Well was just saying this in the match Thread. Although i am not laying into Rafael, wish that he wouldn't give those FK's( we will get punished mostly from it)and also he was beaten far too easily today. He got the goal and also another which was saved by Shwarzer , but still if he could just tweak his game a little he would be brilliant. But that Said Jim, if you think rafael is experienced and Old enough to know what not to, expect some stick from peeps here who know you stand up for Evra whenever he gets the stick for failing to do so just that. |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 25, 2012 17:00:36 GMT
TBF, he slipped for their first goal, hardly a massive mistake, it happens.
VIVA DA SILVA!
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 25, 2012 17:18:27 GMT
TBF, he slipped for their first goal, hardly a massive mistake, it happens. VIVA DA SILVA! no no, hes shit, should be sold. Slipping is not acceptable. SELL HIM!!! And De Gea |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 25, 2012 17:22:08 GMT
TBF, he slipped for their first goal, hardly a massive mistake, it happens. VIVA DA SILVA! no no, hes shit, should be sold. Slipping is not acceptable. SELL HIM!!! And De Gea Van Persie didn't score 409274 goals today. Cancel his contract!!! |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 25, 2012 17:27:59 GMT
no no, hes shit, should be sold. Slipping is not acceptable. SELL HIM!!! And De Gea Van Persie didn't score 409274 goals today. Cancel his contract!!! Damn Straight. All that money and he cant score a million goals a game?? Ridiculous!!! |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 25, 2012 17:48:50 GMT
he's old enough and experienced enough to know not to do it. he seems to be a player who doesn't learn lessons [/quote Hes just turned 22 ffs. The irony when you stick up for Evra all the time, yet hes vastly more experienced, but lay into a youngster who is still years away from his peak. hardly laying into him. more questioning his defensive ability. not sure why you're getting your knickers in a twist. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 25, 2012 18:28:20 GMT
I like Rafael. He's still young and thus still learning. Long term he's a great prospect at RB, but in the short term he's bound to make mistakes. I'd be much more worried about Evra who is experienced yet gets rinsed seemingly every single week.
But defenders tend not to blossom as early as wingers or other players, so Rafael has a lot of time to grow and learn the art of defence. I certainly don't intend on being critical of him today after he scored, had one ruled out for offside and forced their 'keeper into a good save from distance.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 25, 2012 18:51:02 GMT
he's old enough and experienced enough to know not to do it. he seems to be a player who doesn't learn lessons [/quote Hes just turned 22 ffs. The irony when you stick up for Evra all the time, yet hes vastly more experienced, but lay into a youngster who is still years away from his peak. hardly laying into him. more questioning his defensive ability. not sure why you're getting your knickers in a twist.Arf |
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