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Post by redcase on Nov 11, 2012 20:08:45 GMT
Call me crazy, but something tells me he will be signing for us in January. It is the retardedly optimistic feeling I have. We don't splash the cash in January anymore so i'm kissing this one goodbye! Yeah we don't but I think if we did on this lad it wouldn't be half bad ! |
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Post by JamBritRed on Nov 11, 2012 20:24:35 GMT
heard on a podcast (cant remember which) that evertonians have it that he IS signing for us come January.
dont know how i feel about that. seems like an odd one to me. i know he is a good player, but honestly if we were to buy a Belgian box-to-box midfielder, Dembele would have been the one i would have chosen.
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Post by fletcherini on Nov 11, 2012 20:57:11 GMT
We don't splash the cash in January anymore so i'm kissing this one goodbye! Yeah we don't but I think if we did on this lad it wouldn't be half bad ! I agree absolutely. |
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Post by moxdevil on Nov 11, 2012 21:01:35 GMT
Every time i've seen him he's played best when he has played the old Cahill role of second striker at Everton. I don't see where he fits at United: he isn't any better than the players we have that play that role and is he mobile enough to play in a two man midfield pairing. Personally i don't think so.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 12, 2012 13:12:08 GMT
Although to think about it again... we always complain that Scholes - Carrick duo pairing are a tad slow especially awful in terms of allowing the opposition to break and run through down the middle when we lose or cannot retain possession.
Fellaini isn't the fastest midfielder on the pitch imo, and might slow down in the latter days of his tenure. If Victor Wanyama is of decent / quick pace, I'd prefer to get him in instead.
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Post by tommyred on Nov 12, 2012 13:19:41 GMT
Not good enough for us and not the kind of player we need.
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 12, 2012 13:36:11 GMT
if we were light on numbers then he'd be a useful option but we are stacked for advanced mids. and he's not the right partner for carrick in a central two.
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Post by Kamilo on Nov 12, 2012 13:47:44 GMT
if we were light on numbers then he'd be a useful option but we are stacked for advanced mids. and he's not the right partner for carrick in a central two. Im going to raise a point here, one I ponder myself. We all agree we still need central midfielder, (of whatever sorts thats still up for discussion, most might say a box to box). Is he being brought in as a partner to Carrick? Or Cleverley, or someone else? Are you saying Carrick is a shoe in for the XI weekly? |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 12, 2012 13:52:26 GMT
Not saying Carrick is defo starting week in week out, but a quicker midfielder (box-box) would be more suited to more combinations with others in the midfield. So, say, we can start Scholes or Carrick (slower midfielders) alongside the new box-box midfielder without worry that it (the midfield) will be too slow.
To be honest, I'd like to see us start Fletcher more often before buying. Fletcher and Scholes / Carrick / Cleverley / Anderson combo.
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Post by Bestie on Nov 12, 2012 14:16:38 GMT
if we were light on numbers then he'd be a useful option but we are stacked for advanced mids. and he's not the right partner for carrick in a central two. We should forget about finding an immediate partner for Carrick and find a consistent midfield pairing from Cleverley, Anderson and Kagawa. Pick two, have the other on the bench to impact games when we need them. Kagawa has to be first choice, or Cleverley on recent form (Stamford Bridge aside), and Anderson has been doing well from the wood too. Gives us a bit of forward momentum when he comes on, drives at teams. That helps particularly in games where we're dropping back too much (most of them). Fletcher, Scholes, Powell and Tunnicliffe can get games on rotation. Fletcher obviously should be drafted in for the big 'we need a defense-aid' games like city away. |
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 12, 2012 15:04:25 GMT
madness. the one mid who plays every week and you are suggesting we drop him out and throw him in the mixer with the rotees. i could listen to an argument that we should overhaul the midfield with some summer investment but leaving out carrick and playing a central pairing of clev and kags seems barmy
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Post by alt on Nov 12, 2012 15:17:41 GMT
if we were light on numbers then he'd be a useful option but we are stacked for advanced mids. and he's not the right partner for carrick in a central two. We should forget about finding an immediate partner for Carrick and find a consistent midfield pairing from Cleverley, Anderson and Kagawa. Pick two, have the other on the bench to impact games when we need them. Kagawa has to be first choice, or Cleverley on recent form (Stamford Bridge aside), and Anderson has been doing well from the wood too. Gives us a bit of forward momentum when he comes on, drives at teams. That helps particularly in games where we're dropping back too much (most of them). Fletcher, Scholes, Powell and Tunnicliffe can get games on rotation. Fletcher obviously should be drafted in for the big 'we need a defense-aid' games like city away. Never going to happen though, we'll be way too exposed. It's bad enough when Scholes and Carrick play together, they offer at least some form of protection but like against Villa, due to neither being really that mobile on multiple occasions they broke without either of them in sight. None of Cleverley, Kagawa or Anderson are defensively minded enough to play in a two man midfield together, plus I still think Anderson's fitness is a huge issue. He can be a good driving force in the middle but I can never see him being a regular when he's absolutely fucked after 70 mins. For me we need to give Cleverley the role as the box-to-box midfielder and then bring in a DM next to him. Not Carrick though, he's done well for us but he's simply not mobile enough. I still think Sandro would be a great option, showed again why on Sunday. Just his energy, mobility and bite would be so different to anything we have now. How many times would you see Carrick or Scholes tracking a player back and making a sliding tackle on the edge of the box, very rarely, not to mention he actually stood up to Yaya as well. Wanyama is also another suitable option and a bit more realistic. If we bought Fellaini for this position it'd just be a waste, he's flourishing in his current role for Everton so would be daft to revert him back to a DM. |
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 12, 2012 15:22:30 GMT
cleverleys work rate is excellent. but he presses the ball further up rather than sitting back and mopping up. not that type of player
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Post by Bestie on Nov 12, 2012 15:33:46 GMT
cleverleys work rate is excellent. but he presses the ball further up rather than sitting back and mopping up. not that type of player We need more pressing the oppo ball further up the pitch, not less of it. You don't need to mop anything up when you win the ball back on or higher than the edge of the centre circle. And if you want a 'tackler' in midfield for games like Chelsea or city to deal with Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Silva, Toure etc., play Fletcher or Jones there. Otherwise, we should be consistently pressing teams higher up the pitch and forcing mistakes in positions before we're worrying about mopping things up in front of our back four. Also, I wasn't trying to disrespect Carrick when I said he should be phased out, but younger, quicker, and more mobile players get precedence in my eyes. We need to think about the fact Carrick will be 32 soon. Keep him as the vital cog right now and sign someone who will not just be able to partner him now, but partner Clevs/Ando in 3 or 4 years time. |
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Post by karthy on Nov 12, 2012 15:50:45 GMT
Carrick , IMO, Plays better when paired with Fletcher/Ando/ Cleverley than when paired with Scholes. Buying or playing him with Fellaini will not offer any help.
Carrick in most games plays the deep playmaker/Midfielder role and controls the game, protects the back four and i have seen him go further up the pitch only when he is playing either with Ando or Clevrely ( used to when he was playing with Fletcher) and the reason is that if we loose the ball then his partner is the one with pace and strength to put in tackles or arse the opposition out of the ball and we don't get exposed ( that's the general idea , but been less effective of late).
So a player like Wanyama or Sandro or Tiote would be a better bet than Fellaini.
Also fellaini can or does come into play with long balls only IMO, not sure if we'd ever play that that often.
Besides we have an abundance in Midfield, I have not Mentioned the possiblity of Tunni, Powell, Kags, Jones, Fletcher playing.
Whether we play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and considering that Scholes will retire EOY , and Ando hasn't improved and we sell him and Fletcher doesn't make it we'd still have 6 for 2 positions with 3 players who can play in the position that Fellaini will offer.
Wanyana would be a better option
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