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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 14:57:02 GMT
Couldnt give 2 shits about their president 2bh
We still have a bellend in charge of us so it makes no difference 2 me.
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Post by fletcherini on Nov 7, 2012 19:09:18 GMT
Obama is making the best out of what's given to him. I think troops have already begun leaving Iraq? I expect Afghanistan to follow. Romney would have started WWIII by declaring war on Iran and North Korea. Romney wanted to spend more on the U.S. military also. I think he would have been trigger-happy over there in the White House, not the guy you want with the nuke button in close proximity..!! Thank the Lord that Obama was re-elected. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 7, 2012 23:57:13 GMT
Couldnt give 2 shits about their president 2bh We still have a bellend in charge of us so it makes no difference 2 me. The United States although waning bit by bit in power, is still the world's biggest superpower at the moment. Anything they do will somehow or another affect our country (where ever "our country" may be) especially the economy. That said, will be interesting to see what the new CPC party leader / President of the PR China, Xi Jinping, will be doing in 2013. Wonder if China is ever going to progress into the deeper domains of democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 1:20:42 GMT
Aye i know that just meant we have enuff 2 deal with having this idiot in charge, at least obama is doing his job.
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Post by shrike59 on Nov 8, 2012 3:31:06 GMT
Being a lifelong democrat Im happy he won. Rorshach summed up Romney pretty good just promising everything to everybody (12 million great jobs) to get elected. In a hundred years I dont think China will be so kind when they are the worlds superpower. I am curious ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE? Sorry if off topic but I would love to read your opinions.We in the US are always arguing about this.
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Post by Kamilo on Nov 8, 2012 5:16:17 GMT
Being a lifelong democrat Im happy he won. Rorshach summed up Romney pretty good just promising everything to everybody (12 million great jobs) to get elected. In a hundred years I dont think China will be so kind when they are the worlds superpower. I am curious ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE? Sorry if off topic but I would love to read your opinions.We in the US are always arguing about this. The healthcare reforms ensure my father who has a condition wont get dropped. His bills are outrageous and we would need to completely 180 our standard of living if insurance changed our coverage/dropped him. Which they now cannot. Also being a college student Im ensured under my parents plan until i am 26 regardless of whether or not I am in school. I dont plan to wait that long until i have benefits of my own but it sure is a load off. Overall a little out of everyones pocket to help people nationwide especially being through what i have with my father is ok with me. I do support drug testing to acquire these benefits however. That should be done in each state. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 8:41:17 GMT
Being a lifelong democrat Im happy he won. Rorshach summed up Romney pretty good just promising everything to everybody (12 million great jobs) to get elected. In a hundred years I dont think China will be so kind when they are the worlds superpower. I am curious ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE? Sorry if off topic but I would love to read your opinions.We in the US are always arguing about this. yeah, ours is pretend free for everyone but in reality the workers pay N.I so everyone can get it for free, so in summary - the workers get raped so the lazy can get free stuff |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 8, 2012 10:09:02 GMT
The NHS is an invaluable core of the UK. It should never be abolished.
The only thing that needs sorted are the other benefits. These begets questions as to why people, especially young people, without disabilities or mitigating circumstances are able to "live off the fatta' the land" with no work or no contribution to society. To make it even worse, they start families and raising children without responsibilities.
Of course, not everyone is like that, and I'm generalising. But this aspect of benefits should, and must end or at least be reformed for the UK to move forward IMO.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 8, 2012 10:50:54 GMT
For me the NHS is a real shining light in the UK and is one of the best things to have ever been created in this nation. It has plenty of flaws from the awful food to the long waiting lists and lack of beds in busier hospitals to the mixed bag of great and awful staff but overall I think it's invaluable. Our taxes are a bit higher to pay for it, so what? It should be a fundamental right for every human being to have a basic level of healthcare regardless of your pay packet, or lack thereof. It maddens me to see people in America complaining about having to pay slightly higher taxes so that basic healthcare is available to all, it's just astonishingly fucking selfish. Yeah you get benefit scroungers and so forth but I firmly believe the number of people helped by government services like the NHS and the benefits system far outweighs the number of people who abuse it, well, as long as you don't read those ill-informed, hate-mongering scumbags at the Daily Mail.
I've had good and bad experiences with the NHS but I'm so glad we have it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 11:10:09 GMT
The NHS is an invaluable core of the UK. It should never be abolished. The only thing that needs sorted are the other benefits. These begets questions as to why people, especially young people, without disabilities or mitigating circumstances are able to "live off the fatta' the land" with no work or no contribution to society. To make it even worse, they start families and raising children without responsibilities. Of course, not everyone is like that, and I'm generalising. But this aspect of benefits should, and must end or at least be reformed for the UK to move forward IMO. touching on the bolded part- I was reading yesterday that if you have more than two kids, you will only get benefits for the first two and no more. And also that if you are unable to work and claim, if you have a spare bedroom then you'll be getting less benefit from that too |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 12:35:33 GMT
The NHS is an invaluable core of the UK. It should never be abolished. The only thing that needs sorted are the other benefits. These begets questions as to why people, especially young people, without disabilities or mitigating circumstances are able to "live off the fatta' the land" with no work or no contribution to society. To make it even worse, they start families and raising children without responsibilities. Of course, not everyone is like that, and I'm generalising. But this aspect of benefits should, and must end or at least be reformed for the UK to move forward IMO. touching on the bolded part- I was reading yesterday that if you have more than two kids, you will only get benefits for the first two and no more. And also that if you are unable to work and claim, if you have a spare bedroom then you'll be getting less benefit from that too The problem with this is they are aiming at the wrong type of benefit. My sister has 2 little girls and she struggles, but then on the other hand shes with a dickhead (to give some sort of an idea hes as big a cunt as Suarez is to us) who is claiming benefits that hes not entitled to. When Cameron took over there was meant to be this big reform and cut down on people claiming disability benefit as they would have to pass an examination. This is a load of bollocks as hes still getting the benefits. Instead they should be focusing on the major types of benefits. i.e income support for those who don't need it, disability benefit for those who don't need it. Yes the NHS is a good thing compared to other countries but what fucks me off is ive gotta work 50 hours a week to help subsidise it to people that cant be arsed getting off their arses. If people are on the dole they should be made to do community service or vouluntary work to EARN IT simple as. I have a mate who doesn't work and is on more a week than I am. Takes the piss. This is a major difference between the UK and the USA. At least Obama does at least one item on his agenda. Ours is to give promises to get into number 10 then break the lot of them and fuck the working man over even more. |
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Post by tommyred on Nov 8, 2012 12:44:01 GMT
I'm going to assume Paul has never experienced the harsh realities of unemployment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 12:49:37 GMT
I'm going to assume Paul has never experienced the harsh realities of unemployment. I haven't mate however, ive been lucky enough to be in work since I was 16 and don't want it to change as I would hate to be out of it. That is not a dig at people who are unemployed in general. It is aimed at the unemployed that don't want to work and cant be arsed looking and would rather sit on their arses and gladly let the benefits reel in, ones that I pay stupid tax to subsidise. People that are unemployed and look for jobs have my full sympathy as I know how hard it is to get a job these days. I just had a very strong view against those who take the system for granted and take the piss with it. As ive said I know people that do it and dont seem to give a shit and worst of all they are better off than me. Thats partly their own fault but mostly the governments for allowing them to do it and for making it easily available.[/quote] |
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Post by shrike59 on Nov 8, 2012 20:50:45 GMT
Thanks fellas,Im enjoying reading this.Its a shame the lazy ruin it for others but the responsible thing to do is care for the sick.
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 9, 2012 1:02:17 GMT
Paul, my exact sentiment. This was what I was trying to allude to.
The unemployed who are trying their earnest to seek jobs - I have no qualm letting them have the benefits; because they are trying their best, and they are potentially beneficial to society. Neither do I have any problem assisting people with disabilities, the sick, or the poor.
It is those that choose not to work - especially those who really think they deserve the free money - the free money that hardworking and responsible people work their arse off for; and get the money and benefits they don't deserve that should be stopped and re-educated.
I don't really understand why and how our governments have let this situation get to where it is today. The causation is so clear, yet it is taking them forever to come up with a reform to make benefits actually beneficial to society and not a handicap.
The social problems caused by this we have today is clogged up because benefits were and are, to put it blandly, messed up. With high unemployment levels for job seekers, I don't know what these people (those who take, but not at all seeking a job for years - or - from young, chavs, etc.) can do to be productive to society. Maybe Paul is right, "voluntary" or community work in exchange for the benefits could work. It benefits society and at least they aren't getting free money for nothing.
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