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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 2, 2021 15:26:30 GMT
From what I can gather our coaching team is a mix of former players (e.g. Phelan, Carrick, Fletcher before he became TD), coaches Ole knew from his Cardiff days (e.g. Pert, Hartis) and a few survivors from previous eras such as McKenna who have worked their way through the ranks. Big difference from LVG and Jose who as elite managers could bring with them their own handpicked backroom staff who they'd worked closely with for years. Naturally Ole only felt able to call on his old mates from his playing days and his short and unsuccessful stint at Cardiff. Very disturbing if Phelan doesn't do any coaching. What's the point of all the experience he brings from working under Fergie for so long? And what does he exactly do then? Seems as though he has reached a point in his career where he wants to take a back seat after feeling he's done his time on the training ground. Which is fair enough but makes him unsuitable for the job. Phelan has always been an average coach. If you compare the football we played under Fergie/Querioz with that of Phelan, it was night and day in terms of quality. This is just my opinion but i think English coaches in general are poor, hence why no English manager has ever won the PL. They lack orginality and more importantly language skills, especially with all the foreign players we have in this league now. Ole cant coach and Carrick has proven sweet FA as a coach, just look at our midfield and Freds general play. They all strike me a nice guys who couldnt push players. I hear Conte is in talks with Spurs, if thats true then yet again we are going to miss out on another top coach with the personality and track record to improve the team.
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Post by Tatty on Jun 2, 2021 16:27:10 GMT
From what I can gather our coaching team is a mix of former players (e.g. Phelan, Carrick, Fletcher before he became TD), coaches Ole knew from his Cardiff days (e.g. Pert, Hartis) and a few survivors from previous eras such as McKenna who have worked their way through the ranks. Big difference from LVG and Jose who as elite managers could bring with them their own handpicked backroom staff who they'd worked closely with for years. Naturally Ole only felt able to call on his old mates from his playing days and his short and unsuccessful stint at Cardiff. Very disturbing if Phelan doesn't do any coaching. What's the point of all the experience he brings from working under Fergie for so long? And what does he exactly do then? Seems as though he has reached a point in his career where he wants to take a back seat after feeling he's done his time on the training ground. Which is fair enough but makes him unsuitable for the job. Phelan has always been an average coach. If you compare the football we played under Fergie/Querioz with that of Phelan, it was night and day in terms of quality. This is just my opinion but i think English coaches in general are poor, hence why no English manager has ever won the PL. They lack orginality and more importantly language skills, especially with all the foreign players we have in this league now. Ole cant coach and Carrick has proven sweet FA as a coach, just look at our midfield and Freds general play. They all strike me a nice guys who couldnt push players. I hear Conte is in talks with Spurs, if thats true then yet again we are going to miss out on another top coach with the personality and track record to improve the team. Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2021 17:38:32 GMT
Phelan has always been an average coach. If you compare the football we played under Fergie/Querioz with that of Phelan, it was night and day in terms of quality. This is just my opinion but i think English coaches in general are poor, hence why no English manager has ever won the PL. They lack orginality and more importantly language skills, especially with all the foreign players we have in this league now. Ole cant coach and Carrick has proven sweet FA as a coach, just look at our midfield and Freds general play. They all strike me a nice guys who couldnt push players. I hear Conte is in talks with Spurs, if thats true then yet again we are going to miss out on another top coach with the personality and track record to improve the team. Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies. More trophies and no Ole? Can't see a downside to be honest.
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Post by JamBritRed on Jun 2, 2021 17:51:29 GMT
I see the allure, but Conte is worse than Mourinho IMHO.
I cant take the whining.
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Post by Karma on Jun 2, 2021 17:54:39 GMT
I firmly believe that once crowds return we’ll be found out and will slide down the table. His refusal to rotate the squad is going to also bite him in the arse.
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Post by Tatty on Jun 2, 2021 18:05:23 GMT
Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies. More trophies and no Ole? Can't see a downside to be honest. No Ole. Potentially more trophies. More Ole?
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2021 18:13:48 GMT
I see the allure, but Conte is worse than Mourinho IMHO. I cant take the whining. That isn't how you spell winning bud.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2021 18:31:35 GMT
More trophies and no Ole? Can't see a downside to be honest. No Ole. Potentially more trophies. More Ole? No thank you.
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Post by Tatty on Jun 2, 2021 20:40:06 GMT
No Ole. Potentially more trophies. More Ole? No thank you. That was the crux of my previous point. It’s what you want from the club going forwards.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 2, 2021 21:00:04 GMT
Phelan has always been an average coach. If you compare the football we played under Fergie/Querioz with that of Phelan, it was night and day in terms of quality. This is just my opinion but i think English coaches in general are poor, hence why no English manager has ever won the PL. They lack orginality and more importantly language skills, especially with all the foreign players we have in this league now. Ole cant coach and Carrick has proven sweet FA as a coach, just look at our midfield and Freds general play. They all strike me a nice guys who couldnt push players. I hear Conte is in talks with Spurs, if thats true then yet again we are going to miss out on another top coach with the personality and track record to improve the team. Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies. I think your clinging on to the idea that we can build something and dominate the English game for another decade. Those days are well and truly gone. Its virtually impossible to dominate the English game now for such a long time.
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Post by viking22 on Jun 2, 2021 21:37:28 GMT
Problem is that we can keep buying young players. But without proper coaching or the experience of winning trophies they will never reach their full potential. And while Ole's undemanding nice guy approach goes down well with the squad if we want to win things we want a coach who demands high standards from the players and doesn't tolerate mediocrity. And having some experienced players in the squad is no bad thing. Look at Chelsea's squad that won the Champions League. Having some older players like Kante, Azpiliceuta, Rudiger complemented an otherwise quite youthful team. And if we end up with an older squad that actually has won things and knows how to win things we can always refresh it by bringing in some younger players who will in turn benefit from playing with experienced players who have won things. And the same virtuous cycle we had under Fergie has a chance of getting started again. But of course it is a no go because the Glazers would never back a manager interested in winning trophies and no elite manager worth his salt would settle for being a cup team. Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies.
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Post by Tatty on Jun 2, 2021 21:40:57 GMT
Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies. I think your clinging on to the idea that we can build something and dominate the English game for another decade. Those days are well and truly gone. Its virtually impossible to dominate the English game now for such a long time. Thank you for telling me how I think, sir...🙄
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2021 21:44:28 GMT
Conte is a fantastic coach, but we’ll only end up back where we are now in 2 years. And likely with an older squad. But potentially a couple more trophies. I think your clinging on to the idea that we can build something and dominate the English game for another decade. Those days are well and truly gone. Its virtually impossible to dominate the English game now for such a long time. Watch city go do it.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 2, 2021 21:45:42 GMT
That was the crux of my previous point. It’s what you want from the club going forwards. I'll take the trophies for a couple of years then rubbish for a couple. It's the best we can hope for until the ownership changes. I am saying no to literally Ole (and DNA equivalent) again.
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Post by dazjoe on Jun 2, 2021 21:49:00 GMT
I think your clinging on to the idea that we can build something and dominate the English game for another decade. Those days are well and truly gone. Its virtually impossible to dominate the English game now for such a long time. Watch city go do it. In the last decade City have won 12 domestic honours, (League, FA Cup, League Cup). Almost half of all available, which is just as dominant as any 10 year period United had. Watch them do it? They've already done it.
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