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Post by aussiegraham on Aug 29, 2021 9:45:53 GMT
But he was correct in issuing a red: “denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence.” I would argue it wasn't a handball. It was ball to hand. The thing bounced up off his knee and then, at worst, he basically flinched towards it. If wasn't like he made a 'save'. In fact I would be willing to bet that's what Taylor thought before he bricked it. That's the bit that annoys me - the referee was clearly influenced by the crowd. Also what happened to the preventing double punishment thing? What is the point of having that but only for some offenses in the box? This is where it’s still subjective. If it’s accidental, but stops a goal, it’s still a penalty (even if it’s not deliberate) because the player gained an advantage (same way as the ball can’t now hit a forward on the arm, clearly accidentally, as it creates an advantage and should be pulled up). The red is to the letter of the law, the ref’s decision must have been “intentional”.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 29, 2021 9:56:43 GMT
I would argue it wasn't a handball. It was ball to hand. The thing bounced up off his knee and then, at worst, he basically flinched towards it. If wasn't like he made a 'save'. In fact I would be willing to bet that's what Taylor thought before he bricked it. That's the bit that annoys me - the referee was clearly influenced by the crowd. Also what happened to the preventing double punishment thing? What is the point of having that but only for some offenses in the box? This is where it’s still subjective. If it’s accidental, but stops a goal, it’s still a penalty (even if it’s not deliberate) because the player gained an advantage (same way as the ball can’t now hit a forward on the arm, clearly accidentally, as it creates an advantage and should be pulled up). The red is to the letter of the law, the ref’s decision must have been “intentional”. That's the bit I think Taylor got wrong. Penalty yes, but I doubt anyone vaguely impartial would have disagreed with a yellow card.
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 29, 2021 10:42:44 GMT
This is where it’s still subjective. If it’s accidental, but stops a goal, it’s still a penalty (even if it’s not deliberate) because the player gained an advantage (same way as the ball can’t now hit a forward on the arm, clearly accidentally, as it creates an advantage and should be pulled up). The red is to the letter of the law, the ref’s decision must have been “intentional”. That's the bit I think Taylor got wrong. Penalty yes, but I doubt anyone vaguely impartial would have disagreed with a yellow card. However mild or accidental, he denied a goal with his arm and he really can't be anything other than the last man. It's a penalty and a red for me. Accidental handball isn't really a thing anymore.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 29, 2021 12:02:53 GMT
That's the bit I think Taylor got wrong. Penalty yes, but I doubt anyone vaguely impartial would have disagreed with a yellow card. However mild or accidental, he denied a goal with his arm and he really can't be anything other than the last man. It's a penalty and a red for me. Accidental handball isn't really a thing anymore. For a red card it has to be intentional. That's still in the rules.
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Post by soapy on Aug 29, 2021 12:18:50 GMT
However mild or accidental, he denied a goal with his arm and he really can't be anything other than the last man. It's a penalty and a red for me. Accidental handball isn't really a thing anymore. For a red card it has to be intentional. That's still in the rules. Unless it denies the opposition a goal presumably, then it becomes it’s own offence. I may well be talking shit because I don’t actually know the rules but it’s the only thing I can surmise from it.
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Post by Stretty on Aug 29, 2021 17:06:46 GMT
Get in
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Post by Stretty on Aug 29, 2021 17:09:19 GMT
We’ve looked better since martial came on
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Post by redcase on Aug 29, 2021 18:22:48 GMT
I do see your point and the letter of the law. But surely some common sense can be applied? I don't know where else he could have put his hand considering it was a ricochet from his thigh. Let's say the penalty is fair. But why the red card. The reason I ask is the punishment for this is the same as someone deliberately handballing it like Suarez did in the WC. How can an accident and intent have the same punishment? It makes no sense. IMO he had no choice. The hand ball rule interpretation has changed, and in this case he clearly moved his arm in a way that was advantageous to his team, denying Liverpool a goal. If the ref only gave a caution - despite the clear rules - and the same player then scored a winner in the last minute, for example, he’d have been sanctioned for not applying the laws. I’m a ref, btw! 😆 Yeah mate, been here long enough that I do remember! 😄 I still think it's bollocks though. Accident and intent can't have the same result. The penalty and a yellow would have sufficed imo. The rulebook can be a right piece of crap.
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Post by redcase on Sept 2, 2021 10:54:11 GMT
So not only is Xhaka one of the dumbest footballers ever, he's also a dumb human being in general.
He refused the vaccine, and guess what, is now sitting at home with Covid-19.
Arsenal captain ladies and gents.
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Post by soapy on Sept 2, 2021 12:07:52 GMT
So not only is Xhaka one of the dumbest footballers ever, he's also a dumb human being in general. He refused the vaccine, and guess what, is now sitting at home with Covid-19. Arsenal captain ladies and gents. This is a team that signed up for the super league, so unfounded faith despite all evidence pointing the other way is pretty much the club motto.
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Post by redcase on Sept 2, 2021 13:28:49 GMT
So not only is Xhaka one of the dumbest footballers ever, he's also a dumb human being in general. He refused the vaccine, and guess what, is now sitting at home with Covid-19. Arsenal captain ladies and gents. This is a team that signed up for the super league, so unfounded faith despite all evidence pointing the other way is pretty much the club motto. Can you believe they had the gall to say they belong among those clubs. Fucking hell. They're finding it hard to justify they belong where they are presently...
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Post by Tatty on Sept 2, 2021 14:06:01 GMT
So not only is Xhaka one of the dumbest footballers ever, he's also a dumb human being in general. He refused the vaccine, and guess what, is now sitting at home with Covid-19. Arsenal captain ladies and gents. You'd be surprised how many players haven't had or flat out refused the vaccine.
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Post by redcase on Sept 2, 2021 17:40:40 GMT
So not only is Xhaka one of the dumbest footballers ever, he's also a dumb human being in general. He refused the vaccine, and guess what, is now sitting at home with Covid-19. Arsenal captain ladies and gents. You'd be surprised how many players haven't had or flat out refused the vaccine. I hope there are no united lads among them.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 3, 2021 7:56:31 GMT
You'd be surprised how many players haven't had or flat out refused the vaccine. I hope there are no united lads among them. No different to any other workplace, there’ll be some that have and some that haven’t.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 3, 2021 8:27:32 GMT
Does anyone know whether the elite sports exemption still applies? Obviously it will create a problem if lads who haven't been fully vaccinated have to self-isolate for 10 days after returning from Champions League games in amber list countries.
It is a little worrying that Ronaldo will have to self isolate for five days after returning from Portugal. Thankfully because he's banned for the next game he'll be available for selection against Newcastle. But when we are playing twice a week it could cause major disruption.
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