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Post by mightyez on Jun 18, 2013 11:55:54 GMT
it's never about liberation sadly.
its about, money, power, assets and control, pure and simple.
lets never get it twisted and think oh they are helping, that is a by product of the ultimate goal.
I'm no advocate for war on any level but it's the way of man and it happens
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 18, 2013 12:11:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 12:23:34 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Said in a film, but it's still true. So we stand up for the innocent and we take the backlash. It stops making sense when every country you liberate ends up becoming a mess. Removing Hussein gave the Iraqi people a chance to rebuild there country but there still fighting among themselves. The syrian rebels aren't as innocent as some people suggest, pulling someone heart out and eating it belongs in a zombie film. IIRC, Saddam wanted to start trading in the Euro which would of DE-vauled the dolla |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 18, 2013 12:46:22 GMT
It stops making sense when every country you liberate ends up becoming a mess. Removing Hussein gave the Iraqi people a chance to rebuild there country but there still fighting among themselves. The syrian rebels aren't as innocent as some people suggest, pulling someone heart out and eating it belongs in a zombie film. IIRC, Saddam wanted to start trading in the Euro which would of DE-vauled the dolla Its really irrelevant the people got rid of a mass murderer who ruined there standard of living for his own personal fun. You'd think they would be grateful and use the chance to build a country instead of fighting over whos the better set of muslims. An change of attitudes is needed in the middle east, the blame game is tiresome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 12:56:39 GMT
Because if we don't help them we won't be able to buy knock off Nike trainers anymore  Knock off trainers come from china not syria I know that, I was being sarcastic |
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Post by Stew on Jun 18, 2013 13:20:24 GMT
IIRC, Saddam wanted to start trading in the Euro which would of DE-vauled the dolla Its really irrelevant the people got rid of a mass murderer who ruined there standard of living for his own personal fun. You'd think they would be grateful and use the chance to build a country instead of fighting over whos the better set of muslims. An change of attitudes is needed in the middle east, the blame game is tiresome. Johnny, you can't believe this surely? That Iraq was "liberated" for the good of it's people, to stop a mass murderer? If this is the case, where are the liberations of Zimbabwe, Burma, Chechnya, Sudan and Uzbekistan? It was about Oil and contracts for Bushes cronies. This is from CNN, hardly a bastion of liberalism: "Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion. "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society. These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does. |
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Post by Stew on Jun 18, 2013 13:26:42 GMT
I strongly advise you to watch this. Explains a lot of why Iraq is in the state it is. And it's not crackpot stuff either, it's from the Guardian.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:54:31 GMT
So glad to see people on here talking sense. If Mugabe had oil we'd be "liberating" Zimbabwe right now.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 19, 2013 8:19:48 GMT
The American codename for the invasion of Iraq was 'Operation Iraq Liberation'. Tells you everything. . .
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 19, 2013 11:43:30 GMT
Its really irrelevant the people got rid of a mass murderer who ruined there standard of living for his own personal fun. You'd think they would be grateful and use the chance to build a country instead of fighting over whos the better set of muslims. An change of attitudes is needed in the middle east, the blame game is tiresome. Johnny, you can't believe this surely? That Iraq was "liberated" for the good of it's people, to stop a mass murderer? If this is the case, where are the liberations of Zimbabwe, Burma, Chechnya, Sudan and Uzbekistan? It was about Oil and contracts for Bushes cronies. This is from CNN, hardly a bastion of liberalism: "Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion. "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society. These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does. Im not disputing the fact the USA did benefit economically from oil deals and some people got very wealthy, e.g. dick cheney, my argument is despite the US motives, they still removed a dictator and gave them a chance to invoke real change. Its a chance for the government to trade oil with the states and build an strong energy market alot like the australians have with mining. Whats wrong with this?. Its worked for the UAE and Dubai. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 12:01:04 GMT
No, it was motivated by saddam wanting to start trading in another currency other than dollars
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jun 19, 2013 12:42:07 GMT
I'd say it's a lot of factors. But the ridding of Saddam should be a good thing for the population in the long run - whether or not it was the sole intention (it wasn't.).
Shame Governments around the world view the world and each other so skeptically.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 0:01:02 GMT
Johnny, you can't believe this surely? That Iraq was "liberated" for the good of it's people, to stop a mass murderer? If this is the case, where are the liberations of Zimbabwe, Burma, Chechnya, Sudan and Uzbekistan? It was about Oil and contracts for Bushes cronies. This is from CNN, hardly a bastion of liberalism: "Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion. "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society. These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does. Im not disputing the fact the USA did benefit economically from oil deals and some people got very wealthy, e.g. dick cheney, my argument is despite the US motives, they still removed a dictator and gave them a chance to invoke real change. Its a chance for the government to trade oil with the states and build an strong energy market alot like the australians have with mining. Whats wrong with this?. Its worked for the UAE and Dubai. What's wrong with it is they have no form of Government. How the fuck are they going to do that? |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 20, 2013 12:01:14 GMT
Im not disputing the fact the USA did benefit economically from oil deals and some people got very wealthy, e.g. dick cheney, my argument is despite the US motives, they still removed a dictator and gave them a chance to invoke real change. Its a chance for the government to trade oil with the states and build an strong energy market alot like the australians have with mining. Whats wrong with this?. Its worked for the UAE and Dubai. What's wrong with it is they have no form of Government. How the fuck are they going to do that? Iraq have some sort of government. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 17:48:40 GMT
We should have little to no involvement in Syria. If they seek liberation they should start with the death cult they follow. Just another failed Islamic state.
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