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Post by higgone on Aug 10, 2013 0:25:07 GMT
Title say's it all really. I think Moyes is a quality manager and will do a job for us but do you think his relatively low profile on the continent and lack of Champions Lg experience has affected our ability to attract big names this pre-season?
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Post by reefer on Aug 10, 2013 0:50:02 GMT
It doesn't help, but the weather here in Manchester is still the same, even if the manager isn't! and we are in the CL. Let's hope Moyes can have a great season and get his name on the map in Europe.....
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Post by ManicRed on Aug 10, 2013 1:04:25 GMT
I will quote my friend who is older than me...
"You grew up under Fergie and only expect to win.. but Players will always sign for Man Utd because its Man Utd. It has a history and will always attract players, United still signed players like Bryan Robson before Fergie was a success. The Club will attract regardless of the manager"
Sums it up
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Post by higgone on Aug 10, 2013 1:11:42 GMT
I will quote my friend who is older than me... "You grew up under Fergie and only expect to win.. but Players will always sign for Man Utd because its Man Utd. It has a history and will always attract players, United still signed players like Bryan Robson before Fergie was a success. The Club will attract regardless of the manager" Sums it up true enough and we still brought in other big names during that era like Choccy, the big dane etc. But the game has changed a lot since then and the market is a very different place now. But then again even in fergies long reign we only ever signed a handful of players you would consider as global stars at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 2:30:58 GMT
It's too early. We've only tried to sign one player on the continent officially, there was probably interest in Thiago but no actual bid. So we can't jump to that conclusion however we are bound to lose some pulling power without the great man in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 2:36:52 GMT
I will quote my friend who is older than me... "You grew up under Fergie and only expect to win.. but Players will always sign for Man Utd because its Man Utd. It has a history and will always attract players, United still signed players like Bryan Robson before Fergie was a success. The Club will attract regardless of the manager" Sums it up true enough and we still brought in other big names during that era like Choccy, the big dane etc. But the game has changed a lot since then and the market is a very different place now. But then again even in fergies long reign we only ever signed a handful of players you would consider as global stars at the time. I might have misunderstood your post but Choccy and Smikes were bought by Fergie. |
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Post by higgone on Aug 10, 2013 3:08:28 GMT
true enough and we still brought in other big names during that era like Choccy, the big dane etc. But the game has changed a lot since then and the market is a very different place now. But then again even in fergies long reign we only ever signed a handful of players you would consider as global stars at the time. I might have misunderstood your post but Choccy and Smikes were bought by Fergie. yeh that is what I was trying to say just worded it badly lol. Sorry was at a wedding all day Friday and have had too many vodka red bulls hence why I'm still awake lol. But was thinking about my point after that and can only name a few global stars during fergies reign. Big ones for me are Japp Stam Rudd Veron ( big signing at the time) Rooney Rio Van Persie ( you could argue cruyff and Poborský after euro 96) other than that I am racking my brain for any other "global stars' that we broke the bank for. Maybe buying big like that just isn't our style. |
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Post by stilgar on Aug 10, 2013 8:45:38 GMT
We never been shopaholics in the big continental names area, and I don't mind that. It is a good principle to try to develop our own players using either the academy or by buying young talents.
Of course it is not easy to fill the whole team that way and the need of success is put some pressure on the team, so we have to buy fully developed players into the first team from time to time, but it doesn't mean that we have to buy 2-3 superstar in a season. Just one or two good players to fill the holes.
I hate when some supporters are playing fantasy manager with the team, and moaning when they visions don't realizing.
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Post by benji09 on Aug 10, 2013 8:53:20 GMT
Fact is, I dont want Fabregas, or even Ronaldo (I'd take them, fucking hell I would) but that is NOT realistic.
What would have been clever, would be to try and sign players who want to come to the club, who will improve it - not rocket science. The real man to blame is mr potato woodward, he has publicly humiliated he club, let fellainis buy out expire and left us with an unchanged squad for the new season, the complete opposite of what he said himself in May and the complete oppostie of what was desperately needed
No one is really mentioning the fact city have spent 4 billion this summer, I think its because they are such a ridiculous club people dont consider them a real thing - more a parody.
EVERTON have spent more more than we have this summer....how Moyes must wish he had the buying power of the blues.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 8:53:57 GMT
Title say's it all really. I think Moyes is a quality manager and will do a job for us but do you think his relatively low profile on the continent and lack of Champions Lg experience has affected our ability to attract big names this pre-season? No I don't think so. I think the lack of firepower in the board room and Woodwards sheer lack of skills has a lot to do with it, also do we... A. Actually have any money to spend and are they saying we have to cushion the blow and stop a panic arising. B. Are we giving a good enough deal (Perhaps the wages or Signing on fee's are too low thus making players lose interest). Moyes has said what position he wants and who he wants, it's up to the powers that be then to make it happen or at least try. After all The club is one of the biggest in the world regardless of a new manager. |
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Post by benji09 on Aug 10, 2013 9:06:14 GMT
I also thought that maybe this whole summer farce was to keep the majority of fickle fans preoccupied until the season starts, which will also preoccupy them = glazer family holiday!!!
Its working so far, I have heard people say Moyes is a cunt, but not really ''the glazers finally own manchester united - get used to it''
For the Glazers, 1.5 million outlay when we're churning out record profits is a great payout for them, they couldnt give a toss if we look like cunts for a few years before they get out. They will do a few more years of plundering the club and without Ferguson, they can simply stop giving money to Moyes.
It also highlights why the club were so happy to have Moyes take over, (although I wanted him) he wont have the reputation yet to stand up the glazers and demand money to spend, whereas Mourinho would have walked by now if he'd been manager under this farcical summer.
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Post by - on Aug 10, 2013 9:50:26 GMT
Am shocked at this stage of the season we have not made a top class signing but i think has a lot do with Moyes being in charge. Would the the star players in the world be attracted to come and play under David Moyes? personally i don't think they would. That's not knocking Moyes i think he is a very good manager. But he is not a big name manager in the world of football and i think that is putting of the top players in the world coming to us.
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Post by Stew on Aug 10, 2013 10:52:10 GMT
Am shocked at this stage of the season we have not made a top class signing but i think has a lot do with Moyes being in charge. Would the the star players in the world be attracted to come and play under David Moyes? personally i don't think they would. That's not knocking Moyes i think he is a very good manager. But he is not a big name manager in the world of football and i think that is putting of the top players in the world coming to us. I'd leave this Moyes stuff well enough alone. Well alone. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 10, 2013 10:54:22 GMT
Am shocked at this stage of the season we have not made a top class signing but i think has a lot do with Moyes being in charge. Would the the star players in the world be attracted to come and play under David Moyes? personally i don't think they would. That's not knocking Moyes i think he is a very good manager. But he is not a big name manager in the world of football and i think that is putting of the top players in the world coming to us. Fuck off. Is this the kinda shit we are gonna have to put up with all season?? |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 10, 2013 11:20:36 GMT
The market has changed,players like Falcao are good recent examples of players moving for £££ rather than football reasons.i think even with saf still at the helm we would still be in the situation we currenty find ourselves in,reigning champions,a sqaud without a great deal of additions needed,some really exciting potential in likes of lingard & janujzi,a great prospect in zaha,a fucked off Rooney & some sections of the support unhappy with our lot.
But is Moyes to blame??no,the market is now a tougher market to operate in because of the vast amounts of money being splashed around on 'exciting projects'!
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