The Big Clear-Out

[ratbag]

Jan 13, 2014 16:21:26 GMT Big_Rons_Leather_Coat said:

Jan 13, 2014 16:19:11 GMT fletchabey said:

So it seems Ando is first of the big clear out. Such a annual disappointment he was.

I find it ridiculous anyone suggesting Fellaini should be part of clear out. Even if he isn't the answer to our problems right now, we still need to build a midfield for the future. I know some naive fans fall into the trap of purely thinking in terms First XI (a thread such as this thrives on that), but we do still actually need a squad. We'll see better from Fellaini, I'm pretty sure of that. Especially when we get in someone who has more of the qualities we need to play alongside him.

On Fabio, maybe its the lack of his signature on a contract that's led to him being ostracised. Shame its gone that way, only a couple of years ago starting a CL final and being far more solid than Evra at that.

You think Fabio is more solid than Evra was at his best? I cannot agree with that whatsoever.

The trouble is Evra isn't at his best (certainly defensively) and hasn't been for some time...I'd love to get Coentrao as it happens and Luke Shaw possibly even more but I still think Fabio could do a job, even as a squad player but he really does need some game time to stop the silly headless chicken stuff when he finally does get a chance...

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Jan 13, 2014 16:23:59 GMT fletchabey said:

I was talking about the final, I did put it in the same sentence.

Sorry man 

[Bestie]

Jan 13, 2014 16:19:11 GMT fletchabey said:

So it seems Ando is first of the big clear out. Such an annual disappointment he was.

I find it ridiculous anyone suggesting Fellaini should be part of clear out. Even if he isn't the answer to our problems right now, we still need to build a midfield for the future. I know some naive fans fall into the trap of purely thinking in terms First XI (a thread such as this thrives on that), but we do still actually need a squad. We'll see better from Fellaini, I'm pretty sure of that. Especially when we get in someone who has more of the qualities we need to play alongside him.

On Fabio, maybe its the lack of his signature on a contract that's led to him being ostracised. Shame its gone that way, only a couple of years ago starting a CL final and being far more solid than Evra at that.

As has been said many times, unless we imitate the Belgian set-up, there are serious doubts that Fellaini will ever perform well for us.

[fletchabey]

It would be interesting to see him alongside a fully fit Fletch. Well, it would also be interesting to see fully fit Fellaini too.

[Tatty]

Jan 13, 2014 16:30:17 GMT Bestie said:

Jan 13, 2014 16:19:11 GMT fletchabey said:

So it seems Ando is first of the big clear out. Such an annual disappointment he was.

I find it ridiculous anyone suggesting Fellaini should be part of clear out. Even if he isn't the answer to our problems right now, we still need to build a midfield for the future. I know some naive fans fall into the trap of purely thinking in terms First XI (a thread such as this thrives on that), but we do still actually need a squad. We'll see better from Fellaini, I'm pretty sure of that. Especially when we get in someone who has more of the qualities we need to play alongside him.

On Fabio, maybe its the lack of his signature on a contract that's led to him being ostracised. Shame its gone that way, only a couple of years ago starting a CL final and being far more solid than Evra at that.

As has been said many times, unless we imitate the Belgian set-up, there are serious doubts that Fellaini will ever perform well for us.

But it's silly to write off a player we paid a lot of money for, however foolishly, who's barely played 1000 minutes for us.

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Jan 13, 2014 16:56:43 GMT Tatty said:

Jan 13, 2014 16:30:17 GMT Bestie said:

As has been said many times, unless we imitate the Belgian set-up, there are serious doubts that Fellaini will ever perform well for us.

But it's silly to write off a player we paid a lot of money for, however foolishly, who's barely played 1000 minutes for us.

I agree. I think we should persist with him just like we did with Anderson.

[Bestie]

Well, yes and no.

You didn't need 1000 minutes to see Ali Dia was a dud, or 1000 minutes to know Jani had something special about him.

[fletchabey]

Jan 13, 2014 17:02:07 GMT Bestie said:

Well, yes and no.

You didn't need 1000 minutes to see Ali Dia was a dud, or 1000 minutes to know Jani had something special about him.

Anyway, beyond the 1 sentence you highlighted, did you disagree with my general sentiment? Picking that one line somewhat loses context, I wasn't saying we build a midfield around Fellaini, just saying it makes sense to keep him part of a future midfield, even if he isn't even in our first 3 choices. I'm just here to argue that ditching him as part of a clear out, that will be significant way before he's even considered, is moronic.

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Sky are reporting that the Anderson deal will be wrapped up very shortly. Are we getting a fee for the little chubby git or are we paying them to get him fit?

[Bestie]

I do disagree with the sentiment. Fellaini is twenty-six, so far has shown nothing to suggest he can make a genuine impact for us whether that be as a regular starter or as a fall-back, and seems only to shine in positions/formations we will not and should not be using just to accomdate him. (Three in the centre of midfield or Fellaini as an advanced 'hoof target' behind a striker.)

EDIT: Oh, and if you could not call me retarded for typing Fellaini has looked shite, I'd appreciate that. Cheers.

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Retarded is a bit harsh Fletch, I would sell him as I dont think(more like prays) our game will ever suit him. He is far too slow, both in movement and play. As mentioned, as the sitter in a 3 he could work but even then I dont really rate him. I would rather keep Ando, at least has has the required ability to play if he ever gets off the burgers.

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Bestie is bang on the money with his assessment. Fellaini was a mistake. Lets not compound it by trying to fit him in. He cannot get a start in our team when we have well no midfield. When we sign Vidal,Koke and Pogba how the fuck will he get a game?

[fletchabey]

Jan 13, 2014 18:04:07 GMT Bestie said:

I do disagree with the sentiment. Fellaini is twenty-six, so far has shown nothing to suggest he can make a genuine impact for us whether that be as a regular starter or as a fall-back, and seems only to shine in positions/formations we will not and should not be using just to accomdate him. (Three in the centre of midfield or Fellaini as an advanced 'hoof target' behind a striker.)

EDIT: Oh, and if you could not call me retarded for typing Fellaini has looked shite, I'd appreciate that. Cheers.

I'm not basing anything on an opinion of Fellaini (im sitting on the fence either way), just that contemplating getting rid of him this summer seems stupid to me. We already have Ando pretty much gone, Rio and Giggs to follow, Evra to be replaced as a near number 1 priority, dispensing of at least 1 winger, a very real possibility of Rooney and Vidic going. Forgive me for finding the concept of then choosing to dispose of Felliani a moronic idea (apologies for retarded). Once again I'm talking in the whole concept of this thread, in the whole 'if-i-was-in-charge' theme. We already have plenty of business to be doing, probably to much for these 2 windows already, to even contemplate doing something with Fellaini. But yeh if selling him off for a cut price seems to be a win for people around here, so be it. I'll just be glad the fans aren't in charge.

[mocthezuma]

Jan 13, 2014 18:04:07 GMT Bestie said:

I do disagree with the sentiment. Fellaini is twenty-six, so far has shown nothing to suggest he can make a genuine impact for us whether that be as a regular starter or as a fall-back, and seems only to shine in positions/formations we will not and should not be using just to accomdate him. (Three in the centre of midfield or Fellaini as an advanced 'hoof target' behind a striker.)

EDIT: Oh, and if you could not call me retarded for typing Fellaini has looked shite, I'd appreciate that. Cheers.

Fellaini is 26??

Anderson is only 25... We're selling the wrong player.

[reefer]

Jan 13, 2014 18:22:35 GMT fletchabey said:

Jan 13, 2014 18:04:07 GMT Bestie said:

I do disagree with the sentiment. Fellaini is twenty-six, so far has shown nothing to suggest he can make a genuine impact for us whether that be as a regular starter or as a fall-back, and seems only to shine in positions/formations we will not and should not be using just to accomdate him. (Three in the centre of midfield or Fellaini as an advanced 'hoof target' behind a striker.)

EDIT: Oh, and if you could not call me retarded for typing Fellaini has looked shite, I'd appreciate that. Cheers.

I'm not basing anything on an opinion of Fellaini (im sitting on the fence either way), just that contemplating getting rid of him this summer seems stupid to me. We already have Ando pretty much gone, Rio and Giggs to follow, Evra to be replaced as a near number 1 priority, dispensing of at least 1 winger, a very real possibility of Rooney and Vidic going. Forgive me for finding the concept of then choosing to dispose of Felliani a moronic idea (apologies for retarded). Once again I'm talking in the whole concept of this thread, in the whole 'if-i-was-in-charge' theme. We already have plenty of business to be doing, probably to much for these 2 windows already, to even contemplate doing something with Fellaini. But yeh if selling him off for a cut price seems to be a win for people around here, so be it. I'll just be glad the fans aren't in charge.

I was with you on the point that we wont sell Fellaini so quickly after just buying him, more so because no doubt Moyes does not need more bad press.

However selling Fellaini at a cut price now has no argument, yes we will lose money but by keeping him means continuous wage paying, which is losing money but additionally he is taking up a space within the squad. Why keep a player that does not fit or not good enough? It costs money to do that, so count your loses and move on...