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Post by reefer on Mar 17, 2014 13:47:04 GMT
I can see why he was loved so much at Chlesea and voted twice in a row. Mata - Kagawa - Ladnan RvP/Rooney . Problem solved. All the 3 can interchange and swap positions and are capable of dribbling, opening up play, keep possession in tight corners and yet clear as daylight it be one person refuses to see or acknowledge it even when the performances suggests other wise when they are on pitch. That is the first question I would ask Moyes with regards that formation, is he so stubborn or blind? That formation for me is bliss, ok I have my doubts about PHC as he just cannot stop himself wondering everywhere and in other players way, I personally think he should be gone and build the team around Mata/Kags and Ladnan. RVP will just naturally benefit from those 3 IMO. |
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Post by karthy on Mar 17, 2014 13:51:44 GMT
The reason i did include Rooney is that is very simple RvP drops too but not that deep and his interlinking means that we will always have one up top near the penalty box who can get on the end of things and score.
With Rooney dropping deep it will give a even better chance for any of the 3 to go up front and they will far more trickier to stop for the defense. We'd need to play Rooney to get the best for the team not for the fat cunt and right now DM is doing it wrongly. Allow Rooney to roam by all means but make sure that if you are going to be arse licking at least make sure you do it right that his work benefits the Team.
Simply put when Rooney plays we assume a Diamond formation up top with Rooney somewhere at the bottom and while RvP plays he is at the top of it or we play Diamond with Rooney and Triesta with RvP
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Post by ratbag on Mar 21, 2014 8:31:47 GMT
Following the Olympiakos game, I have heard suggestions that maybe Mata could be deployed in the role that Giggs played or at least tried there.
Here's the thing: PHC isn't going anywhere soon so the No.10 spot isn't available. Mata doesn't like to play on the wing and he isn't very good at it. So it may be a way of using at least some of Mata's undoubted talent. He has the vision, the skill and the passing range so worth a shot?
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Post by Bestie on Mar 21, 2014 9:35:46 GMT
Of course worth a shot. I know it's a tired cliche but Mata could fill our Scholes void no problem. He just couldn't play with Carrick, he'd need Cleverley (who he would likely bring the best out of) or Fletcher beside him.
Or Rooney could just get a career-ending injury. You know, either works for me.
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Post by mightyez on Mar 21, 2014 9:41:14 GMT
If Rooney and rvp stay at t,he club jaunt will have to reinvent himself. Rooney won't be dropped nor will rvp, welbeck helps stretch defences adnan is a wonder, mata deeper and central. Get a carlvarlho type next to him and we are good to rock. Powell rotating with mata, kagawa with Rooney, Hernandez rvp, adnan on the right with wilf, get comp for welbeck and similar with pace and penetration.
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Post by ratbag on Mar 21, 2014 9:54:44 GMT
Of course worth a shot. I know it's a tired cliche but Mata could fill our Scholes void no problem. He just couldn't play with Carrick, he'd need Cleverley (who he would likely bring the best out of) or Fletcher beside him. Or Rooney could just get a career-ending injury. You know, either works for me. Yeah, I can't see it working out so well alongside Carrick as he is a little to stationary for my liking*...a bit of dynamism next to him and I think we have a winner...of course DD won't see that possibility so Mata will be on the wing until he ups and leaves... *although Giggs and Carrick worked but only against Olympiakos... |
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Post by NR7 on Mar 21, 2014 11:29:34 GMT
If Rooney and rvp stay at t, he club jaunt will have to reinvent himself. Rooney won't be dropped nor will rvp, welbeck helps stretch defences adnan is a wonder, mata deeper and central. Get a carlvarlho type next to him and we are good to rock. Powell rotating with mata, kagawa with Rooney, Hernandez rvp, adnan on the right with wilf, get comp for welbeck and similar with pace and penetration. My biggest fucking issue with our play. Every fucking top continental player has to adapt or reinvent to the suit overrated fat prick? It's unfair and pathetic. How about we change our whole style instead? |
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Post by NR7 on Mar 21, 2014 11:35:27 GMT
Kags is more dynamic than Mata. He could have been tried thr a bunch of times. What peeps need to understand is DD has a unified and singular approach to football. Dinosaur 4-4-2, get to the byline & cross tactics.
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Post by mightyez on Mar 21, 2014 12:28:32 GMT
If Rooney and rvp stay at t, he club jaunt will have to reinvent himself. Rooney won't be dropped nor will rvp, welbeck helps stretch defences adnan is a wonder, mata deeper and central. Get a carlvarlho type next to him and we are good to rock. Powell rotating with mata, kagawa with Rooney, Hernandez rvp, adnan on the right with wilf, get comp for welbeck and similar with pace and penetration. My biggest fucking issue with our play. Every fucking top continental player has to adapt or reinvent to the suit overrated fat prick? It's unfair and pathetic. How about we change our whole style instead? Sad but it's our reality unless a continental manager is brought in I suspect. Van gaal, klopp I suspect would get the best of what we have. Due to age I'd rather klopp as I can see him doing his stuff for at least 10 years. |
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Post by NR7 on Mar 21, 2014 12:44:41 GMT
My biggest fucking issue with our play. Every fucking top continental player has to adapt or reinvent to the suit overrated fat prick? It's unfair and pathetic. How about we change our whole style instead? Sad but it's our reality unless a continental manager is brought in I suspect. Van gaal, klopp I suspect would get the best of what we have. Due to age I'd rather klopp as I can see him doing his stuff for at least 10 years. Aye but Klopp seems unlikely now. Am I a bad person in hoping BVB's season unravel & they finish outside CL? Improves our chances of getting getting him no. Van Haal is the perfect transition manager. Give him the job for 2-3 years and his philosophy is in line with Klopp, Pep, De Boer. Basically any modern manager who imbibes progressive football. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 21, 2014 12:52:14 GMT
The thing I don’t understand is why buy Mata if there was no coherent plan as to how to use him? All his best work has come when he was moved from the wing into the number 10 role for the Rents. So if we already have a un-droppable Number 10 then what was the point? You already have a player in Kagawa that suffers from the same problem. If the idea was to use him the way City use Silva then when is that kicking in?
It’s similar to Fellani and how he plays for Belgium. Legs alongside to do the running. We play him alongside Carrick and seemed surprised when mobile midfields cut through them like butter.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 21, 2014 12:54:54 GMT
The thing I don’t understand is why buy him if there was no coherent plan as to how to use him. All his best work has come when he was moved from the wing into the number 10 role for the Rents. So if we already have a un-droppable Number 10 then what was the point? You already have a player in Kagawa that suffers from the same problem. If the idea was to use him the way City use Silva then when is that kicking in? It’s similar to Fellani and how he plays for Belgium. Legs alongside to do the running. We play him alongside Carrick and seemed surprised when mobile midfields cut through them like butter. Moyes wants him to be our Steven Pienaar. |
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Post by NR7 on Mar 21, 2014 13:05:54 GMT
The thing I don’t understand is why buy Mata if there was no coherent plan as to how to use him? All his best work has come when he was moved from the wing into the number 10 role for the Rents. So if we already have a un-droppable Number 10 then what was the point? You already have a player in Kagawa that suffers from the same problem. If the idea was to use him the way City use Silva then when is that kicking in? It’s similar to Fellani and how he plays for Belgium. Legs alongside to do the running. We play him alongside Carrick and seemed surprised when mobile midfields cut through them like butter. According to our gaffer, "when the time is right" #headdesk #jesusfacepalm The more I think of it, the more it seems Mata was either a desperation buy or a PR exercise. Another theory is RVP n Kags are gonna be sold meaning JM in the hole from next season onwards. |
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Post by mightyez on Mar 21, 2014 13:10:31 GMT
The thing I don’t understand is why buy Mata if there was no coherent plan as to how to use him? All his best work has come when he was moved from the wing into the number 10 role for the Rents. So if we already have a un-droppable Number 10 then what was the point? You already have a player in Kagawa that suffers from the same problem. If the idea was to use him the way City use Silva then when is that kicking in? It’s similar to Fellani and how he plays for Belgium. Legs alongside to do the running. We play him alongside Carrick and seemed surprised when mobile midfields cut through them like butter. According to our gaffer, "when the time is right" #headdesk #jesusfacepalm The more I think of it, the more it seems Mata was either a desperation buy or a PR exercise. Another theory is RVP n Kags are gonna be sold meaning JM in the hole from next season onwards. He was definetly a PR in my opinion. Kagawa and Rooney are 10's and adnan can play there, Aldo have Powell who can play there. It's mata's most effective position, no quick enough for the wings nor the whole track back defend thing, in the hole he is a different player entirely, quick brain, incisive, passes and goals. We knew all of this but yet did the deal, worst of all knowing the manager was not capable of managing what he had nevertheless we gave him mata |
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Post by Tatty on Mar 21, 2014 13:14:41 GMT
Mata was too good a player to not sign, when it became obvious Chelsea wanted rid and he wanted to come here. We can come up with a plan for him in the Summer, when he's fully integrated into the squad.
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