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Post by Stew on Sept 15, 2015 8:27:46 GMT
Rafa will try his best to prove you wrong  They have started well though. If a Rafa team can score 11 goals in 2 games then that proves my point that its impossible not to play great football with them! But this also just undermines your original point about Jose only playing awful football. He played decent football at Madrid and Inter. It seems like it's Chelsea and England where he goes to power over everything else. Although he's not even managing that at the moment. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 15, 2015 9:28:58 GMT
If a Rafa team can score 11 goals in 2 games then that proves my point that its impossible not to play great football with them! But this also just undermines your original point about Jose only playing awful football. He played decent football at Madrid and Inter. It seems like it's Chelsea and England where he goes to power over everything else. Although he's not even managing that at the moment. My point is that Jose plays terrible football unless he has arguably the greatest attack of the past decade at his disposal. At United he would have Rooney at his disposal. |
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Post by ZlattackRed on Sept 15, 2015 9:35:10 GMT
But this also just undermines your original point about Jose only playing awful football. He played decent football at Madrid and Inter. It seems like it's Chelsea and England where he goes to power over everything else. Although he's not even managing that at the moment. My point is that Jose plays terrible football unless he has arguably the greatest attack of the past decade at his disposal. At United he would have Rooney at his disposal. And what are the chances Rooney would have been flogged by now? I say close to just about 95%. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 15, 2015 9:43:19 GMT
But this also just undermines your original point about Jose only playing awful football. He played decent football at Madrid and Inter. It seems like it's Chelsea and England where he goes to power over everything else. Although he's not even managing that at the moment. My point is that Jose plays terrible football unless he has arguably the greatest attack of the past decade at his disposal. At United he would have Rooney at his disposal. You can't leave Inter out just to suit your argument though. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 15, 2015 10:30:48 GMT
But this also just undermines your original point about Jose only playing awful football. He played decent football at Madrid and Inter. It seems like it's Chelsea and England where he goes to power over everything else. Although he's not even managing that at the moment. My point is that Jose plays terrible football unless he has arguably the greatest attack of the past decade at his disposal. At United he would have Rooney at his disposal. My point is that Jose plays terrible football unless he has arguably the greatest attack of the past decade at his disposal. At United he would have Rooney at his disposal. You can't leave Inter out just to suit your argument though. Or his first Chelsea team. Second highest scorers in the League his first season. They kept smashing teams 3-1, 4-1, 3-0, 4-0 that season. Stuck four past Barca and Bayern at the Bridge as well IIRC. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:36:22 GMT
For both Inter and Madrid he parked the bus though. Especially in the CL. Big matches he always parks the bus. Might play well by default but he always reverts back to type.
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Post by NR7 on Sept 15, 2015 10:44:49 GMT
Poor Giggsy. Can he get a mention in his own thread? You don't win the titles Jose won by playing awful football or being a purely defensive coach. His teams can be boring a lot of the times but that's more a tactic than by design imo. Where I find him lacking as a coach is if things don't go to plan and his teams have to chase a game, things fall apart. |
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Post by NR7 on Sept 15, 2015 10:47:37 GMT
Defensive is subjective. 10 men behind the ball is one way, titi taka and death by possession is another (see Spain WC 2010). Even LVG's sterile keep ball is a means of depriving opposition and can be construed as a safety first approach.
Long story short, we all miss SAF and there won't be another like him.
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 15, 2015 12:31:29 GMT
Not sure why moaninho has come up here but anyway, doesn't Jose always struggle in the third season?. He has players like fabregas and Hazard plodding around for him. Costa isn't world class, its not surprising there struggling now there defence is hopeless.
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Post by Stew on Sept 15, 2015 12:42:44 GMT
Not sure why moaninho has come up here but anyway, doesn't Jose always struggle in the third season?. He has players like fabregas and Hazard plodding around for him. Costa isn't world class, its not surprising there struggling now there defence is hopeless. Virtually always. I don't think he's even started a 4th year at a club. |
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Post by Coogie on Sept 15, 2015 12:57:22 GMT
Not sure why moaninho has come up here but anyway, doesn't Jose always struggle in the third season?. He has players like fabregas and Hazard plodding around for him. Costa isn't world class, its not surprising there struggling now there defence is hopeless. Virtually always. I don't think he's even started a 4th year at a club. He started the 07/08 season (which wuda been his fourth) with Chelsea but was then canned after a few games... it will be interesting to see how he comes out of this period.. i think it's the biggest test of his managerial career to date.. He initially came into chelsea when United and arsenal wer in a transitional period and the league in general was quite poor, he went to inter at a time when inter had no real competition and then onto Real, which let's face it until the recent good form showed by athletico, the Spanish league was in essence following the same format of the spl with one of two teams challenging.. now he has to face very very strong top 4 clubs with the potential of mid to bottom positioned premier league clubs beating anyone on their day... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 12:57:27 GMT
Not sure why moaninho has come up here but anyway, doesn't Jose always struggle in the third season?. He has players like fabregas and Hazard plodding around for him. Costa isn't world class, its not surprising there struggling now there defence is hopeless. Virtually always. I don't think he's even started a 4th year at a club. 2000 Benfica 2001–2002 União de Leiria 2002–2004 Porto 2004–2007 Chelsea 2008–2010 Inter Milan 2010–2013 Real Madrid 2013– Chelsea |
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 15, 2015 15:50:00 GMT
Virtually always. I don't think he's even started a 4th year at a club. 2000 Benfica 2001–2002 União de Leiria 2002–2004 Porto 2004–2007 Chelsea 2008–2010 Inter Milan 2010–2013 Real Madrid 2013– Chelsea This is what I've always known about him. Mourinho for me is alot like the all weapons cheat in GTA. You hire this guy for instant results and to win titles quickly. He is not a guy you would hire to build a club, or to carry you through a transition peroid. He's a top class manager, that is never in question with him but the fact that he's never been at a club for longer than 3 years is either a sign of modern day management or people see him as a quick fix and put up with his bullshit until results say otherwise. I laughed last season when he talked about being at Chelsea for 10 years, theres no way he honestly believed that was gonna happen. He won't be there at xmas if there form continues to be this bad. Roman has swung the battle axe quickly in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 16:05:15 GMT
2000 Benfica 2001–2002 União de Leiria 2002–2004 Porto 2004–2007 Chelsea 2008–2010 Inter Milan 2010–2013 Real Madrid 2013– Chelsea This is what I've always known about him. Mourinho for me is alot like the all weapons cheat in GTA. You hire this guy for instant results and to win titles quickly. He is not a guy you would hire to build a club, or to carry you through a transition peroid. He's a top class manager, that is never in question with him but the fact that he's never been at a club for longer than 3 years is either a sign of modern day management or people see him as a quick fix and put up with his bullshit until results say otherwise. I laughed last season when he talked about being at Chelsea for 10 years, theres no way he honestly believed that was gonna happen. He won't be there at xmas if there form continues to be this bad. Roman has swung the battle axe quickly in the past. Agree fully mate, was just backing it up  Still, I've said before, I'd of taken 2 1/2 years of him than the last 2 1/2 years. Would of been the same fucked up ride, but we'd of no doubt won something |
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