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Post by redcase on Sept 11, 2022 17:30:59 GMT
I dread to ask, but what is wrong with Jordan Peterson? He's the 'we are responsible for our own happiness' guy, isn't he? Or no? Never heard of him before these last few posts. Still not sure why people are so angry over a guy looking to help his own mental health however he chooses to. Lol no. He's a massive idiot.
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Post by Stew on Sept 11, 2022 17:59:03 GMT
Never heard of him before these last few posts. Still not sure why people are so angry over a guy looking to help his own mental health however he chooses to. Lol no. He's a massive idiot. The best description I ever read of Peterson was he was ‘the stupid man’s smart person.’
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Post by redcase on Sept 11, 2022 18:06:53 GMT
Lol no. He's a massive idiot. The best description I ever read of Peterson was he was ‘the stupid man’s smart person.’ Superb.
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Post by Monty on Sept 11, 2022 19:17:09 GMT
Peterson is one of the most insidious people on the internet. He's as responsible as any other individual for the epidemic of angry young men online and incel culture. He tells terminally online, socially inept losers some of the most basic self help stuff that makes sense but should be intuitive to functioning adults, and then with the next breath tells them that all their problems are caused by modern society and women. He's a grifter, and a shameless one.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 11, 2022 22:15:08 GMT
Peterson is one of the most insidious people on the internet. He's as responsible as any other individual for the epidemic of angry young men online and incel culture. He tells terminally online, socially inept losers some of the most basic self help stuff that makes sense but should be intuitive to functioning adults, and then with the next breath tells them that all their problems are caused by modern society and women. He's a grifter, and a shameless one. What? Please explain.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 12, 2022 6:02:13 GMT
I feel like a lot of people direct so much hatred towards the guy, but in reality he's an extremely intelligent person (he's an emeritus professor with literal years of clinical psychology experience!) who has fought his own (major) battles with depression and mental illness.
I know many folks to whom he's made a real impact, I first came across his lectures when I was doing my doctorate around 2015, before the internet discovered him and (as is always the case these days) people turned him into some ''right wing''/conservative pariah.
Here's a good example of what I'm talking about:
He was an immense lecturer, and I recall finding hours of his stuff on Youtube that was truly fascinating and inspiring - I'll admit that I have a deep appreciation for academics, and I spent close to 14 years of my life in lecture halls, so perhaps that's what initially spoke to me.
This was with reference to his lecturing years at Harvard (1993-1995) ''psychologist Shelley Carson, former PhD student and now-professor at Harvard, recalled that Peterson's lectures had "something akin to a cult following", stating, "I remember students crying on the last day of class because they wouldn't get to hear him anymore."
In my opinion, what used to be centrist views have been shifted to represent mildly extreme conservative/right wing to many (sad times). That said, I'll admit he will always offend hardline feminists., especially now (vs, say, 6/7 years ago).
Anyway, the guy is extremely triggering for so many people that it becomes slightly predictable to see people call him names and resort to ad hominems because he somehow irks them to their core. The irony is, the folks that appreciate him (not the militant keyboard warriors) often don't idolize him to the same degree that others demonize him.
It's great that so many people are gited with the ability to ''self-help'' themselves, more power to them! The reality is that's not the case for everyone, and so much of what is considered ''toxic'' masculinity today is a product of not having the appropriate behaviours, role models and psychological tools to approach life meaningfully.
Suppose I see JP in the way I originally encountered him almost 10 years ago, i.e. the lecturer, and not the current version which has been turned into an effigy of hate.
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Post by redcase on Sept 12, 2022 6:14:06 GMT
I feel like a lot of people direct so much hatred towards the guy, but in reality he's an extremely intelligent person (he's an emeritus professor with literal years of clinical psychology experience!) who has fought his own (major) battles with depression and mental illness.I know many folks to whom he's made a real impact, I first came across his lectures when I was doing my doctorate around 2015 (good example - before the internet discovered him and (as is always the case these days) people turned him into some ''right wing''/conservative pariah. He was an immense lecturer, and I recall finding hours of his stuff on Youtube that was truly fascinating and inspiring - I'll admit that I have a deep appreciation for academics, and I spent close to 14 years of my life in lecture halls, so perhaps that's what initially spoke to me. This was with reference to his lecturing years at Harvard (1993-1995) ''psychologist Shelley Carson, former PhD student and now-professor at Harvard, recalled that Peterson's lectures had "something akin to a cult following", stating, "I remember students crying on the last day of class because they wouldn't get to hear him anymore." In my opinion, what used to be centrist views have been shifted to represent mildly extreme conservative/right wing to many (sad times). That said, I'll admit he will always offend hardline feminists., especially now (vs, say, 6/7 years ago). Anyway, the guy is extremely triggering for so many people that it's becomes slightly predictable to see people call him names and resort to ad hominems because he somehow irks them to their core. The irony is, the folks that appreciate him (not the militant keyboard warriors) often don't idolize him to the same degree that others demonize him. It's great that so many people are gited with the ability to ''self-help'' themselves, more power to them! The reality is that's not the case for everyone, and so much of what is considered ' 'toxic'' masculinity today is a product of not having the appropriate behaviours, role models and psychological tools to approach life meaningfully. Suppose I see JP in the way I originally encountered him almost 10 years ago, i.e. the lecturer, and not the current version which has been turned into an effigy of hate. None of this renders him immune to being despised. Some of the most despised people in history are also exactly those things.Maximum of these people he has impacted are the people Monty described in his post. Really doesn't speak well for him if that is what he inspire's is it? Inspiring a cult following. Always a healthy sign...Refer point 2. If that's what you inspire, then you are the problem. I don't see too many others inspiring the same kind of idiots. Stop making excuses for him.And you think Jordan Peterson is giving them those tools? Dear me..If you are a hateful human being, you'll end up an effigy of hate no? What do you have to say about his views on climate change? Or his extreme trans-phobia? Or him publicly harassing Elliot Page and doubling down on it? I won't go much more into this, but if this is the man who misguided youth are looking up to - we're fucked.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 12, 2022 6:24:12 GMT
As I said, the JP people encounter today (literally everything you read online about the guy, each and every article through MSM outlets) paints the picture (as colourfully as your fonts ) of a super hateable person. I'm not trying to convince you/anyone otherwise, I was simply providing a different contextual background to what you'd immediately be overwhelmed with on the internet if you had zero/little knowledge of the guy (e.g. Bestie's query). To emphasize, I'm by no means a JP acolyte, and I don't idolize him, my point was mainly to highlight where he comes from versus what he is seen as today. Couldn't care less whether anyone likes him/not. In the end, everyone gets to make up their own mind (hopefully) and we're not all obliged to indulge in the group-think of the masses. Anyway, we have severely digressed - I miss football.
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Post by redcase on Sept 12, 2022 7:30:59 GMT
What's contextualized about a guy who calls climate change activists "globalist utopians" If you're being academic, why not tell Bestie about his views on trans people and masculinity as well? Weird you've decided to omit all of that. All of your subtle (and not so subtle) indications point me to thinking that you believe that those who detest the guy are operating out of groupthink, MSM, etc. Bit condescending no? Apologies if I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me. Edit: Probably won't discuss this guy longer than this, doesn't deserve the publicity lol
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Post by viking22 on Sept 12, 2022 7:32:00 GMT
Martial gave an interesting interview blaming Ole for making him play through injury (same as with Rashford) and then not defending Martial when he got criticized by the press. It would explain why after a pretty good season scoring 20 goals or so he was very poor in Ole's final season. Problem is he does not seem to have got over his injury problems
"People don't know it, I couldn't speed up during the four months following the Covid season.
"The coach tells me he needs me, so I play. But, given my game, if I can't accelerate, it becomes very complicated all the same.
"And I got set on fire. The coach never bothered to tell the media.
"Obviously, I ended up getting injured for good and when I came back, finished, I didn't play anymore.
"I took it very badly, I had a feeling of injustice, you are asked to sacrifice yourself for the team and behind you are dismissed. For me, it's almost treachery."
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Post by redcase on Sept 12, 2022 7:34:10 GMT
Martial gave an interesting interview blaming Ole for making him play through injury (same as with Rashford) and then not defending Martial when he got criticized by the press. It would explain why after a pretty good season scoring 20 goals or so he was very poor in Ole's final season. Problem is he does not seem to have got over his injury problems "People don't know it, I couldn't speed up during the four months following the Covid season. "The coach tells me he needs me, so I play. But, given my game, if I can't accelerate, it becomes very complicated all the same. "And I got set on fire. The coach never bothered to tell the media. "Obviously, I ended up getting injured for good and when I came back, finished, I didn't play anymore. "I took it very badly, I had a feeling of injustice, you are asked to sacrifice yourself for the team and behind you are dismissed. For me, it's almost treachery." This guy
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 12, 2022 7:53:38 GMT
What's contextualized about a guy who calls climate change activists "globalist utopians" If you're being academic, why not tell Bestie about his views on trans people and masculinity as well? Weird you've decided to omit all of that. All of your subtle (and not so subtle) indications point me to thinking that you believe that those who detest the guy are operating out of groupthink, MSM, etc. Bit condescending no? Apologies if I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me. Edit: Probably won't discuss this guy longer than this, doesn't deserve the publicity lol Not at all Red, I'm not sat here trying to defend/make a case for what clearly represent contemporarily contrarian points of view. In fact, I'm so ambivalent towards this topic that I'd rather just leave things here - it's extremely energy-sapping to highlight or speak to anything other than what the accepted views are on this guy, and I really don't care enough to try and defend him. Apologies if my post came across as condescending, it was genuinely not my intention. I'm also not trying to omit/cover any/all of what he's ever had an opinion on here. My main point was to highlight that the Peterson I originally encountered was as relatively unknown (yet brilliant) lecturer when compared to his reputation today. What you get when you Google him now is fairly well described by Monty, yourself and Stew, and you'll find it difficult to get an objective opinion on him that isn't totally biased on either side of the spectrum. That's totally fine - people, and the way they are perceived, can and will always change (not always for the better, either). Let's leave things at that, and get back to United news?
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Post by mightyez on Sept 12, 2022 9:13:36 GMT
Martial gave an interesting interview blaming Ole for making him play through injury (same as with Rashford) and then not defending Martial when he got criticized by the press. It would explain why after a pretty good season scoring 20 goals or so he was very poor in Ole's final season. Problem is he does not seem to have got over his injury problems "People don't know it, I couldn't speed up during the four months following the Covid season. "The coach tells me he needs me, so I play. But, given my game, if I can't accelerate, it becomes very complicated all the same. "And I got set on fire. The coach never bothered to tell the media. "Obviously, I ended up getting injured for good and when I came back, finished, I didn't play anymore. "I took it very badly, I had a feeling of injustice, you are asked to sacrifice yourself for the team and behind you are dismissed. For me, it's almost treachery." If he is correct, the manager really should have been making it clear that the guy is playing through the pain barrier to support the team. I think it was put out Maguire played injured a few times so really the same should apply for others
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Post by redcase on Sept 12, 2022 13:10:34 GMT
What's contextualized about a guy who calls climate change activists "globalist utopians" If you're being academic, why not tell Bestie about his views on trans people and masculinity as well? Weird you've decided to omit all of that. All of your subtle (and not so subtle) indications point me to thinking that you believe that those who detest the guy are operating out of groupthink, MSM, etc. Bit condescending no? Apologies if I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me. Edit: Probably won't discuss this guy longer than this, doesn't deserve the publicity lol Not at all Red, I'm not sat here trying to defend/make a case for what clearly represent contemporarily contrarian points of view. In fact, I'm so ambivalent towards this topic that I'd rather just leave things here - it's extremely energy-sapping to highlight or speak to anything other than what the accepted views are on this guy, and I really don't care enough to try and defend him. Apologies if my post came across as condescending, it was genuinely not my intention. I'm also not trying to omit/cover any/all of what he's ever had an opinion on here. My main point was to highlight that the Peterson I originally encountered was as relatively unknown (yet brilliant) lecturer when compared to his reputation today. What you get when you Google him now is fairly well described by Monty, yourself and Stew, and you'll find it difficult to get an objective opinion on him that isn't totally biased on either side of the spectrum. That's totally fine - people, and the way they are perceived, can and will always change (not always for the better, either). Let's leave things at that, and get back to United news? Well then the best way to cover both sides of the coin would be to theorize that he may have started off as something different, but where he has ended up now is completely deplorable. So he isn't what he was those multiple years ago. Google's algorithms show us things he has done/said recently to stay in the news, or generate it. Especially since he styles himself as an influencer now, not an academic. For example - Going off his own Instagram - "If you can think, and speak, and write, you are absolutely DEADLY (all caps with weird graphics). Nothing can get in your way (all caps again)." Obvious grammatical errors aside, I struggle to see an academic here. Just another weirdo influencer. I swore I wouldn't say more . I am now officially done. P.S. Condescension has never been your thing, which is why I apologized in advance, being 99% certain it's not what you intended!
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 12, 2022 13:43:53 GMT
Cheers, Red Before we leave this, the apparent fixation on getting people to start writing (and thinking) is likely based on his Future Authoring program, or the Essay app which he and is daughter recently launched. Back to United news, then!
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