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Post by Stew on Nov 28, 2014 16:04:49 GMT
Isn't it notoriously difficult to get a conviction in a rape case? I know the statistics here in Ireland are damning when it actually comes to getting a conviction, 1 or 2% I think. So when there is a conviction here there tends to be overwhelming proof of guilt. Not sure what it's like in the UK. www.amnesty.ie/news/damning-indictment-ireland%E2%80%99s-attitude-women
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Post by Stew on Nov 28, 2014 16:07:42 GMT
Around 3% conviction rate in the UK apparently. Pretty shocking too:
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Around 78,000 victims are raped each year, but just 1,070 rapists are convicted, each guilty of an average of 2.3 attacks, figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed. At least four in five rapes are not even reported to the police, and less than one in six of those which are lead to a conviction. It also takes almost a year after a rape attack before charges are brought, on average, and almost two years – 702 days – for a conviction if an offender pleads not guilty. Overall, there are some 473,000 victims of sex attacks each year, including some 400,000 women, but just 54,310 sex offences are recorded by police and just 5,620 offenders are convicted. “Frequently cited reasons for not reporting the crime were that is was ‘embarrassing’, they ‘didn’t think the police could do much to help’, that the incident was ‘too trivial or not worth reporting’, or that they saw it as a ‘private/family matter and not police business,” the ONS said.
“This reflects the fact that victims are more likely to report the most serious sexual offences to the police.” For the first time, officials published an overview of sexual offending using figures from the Crime Survey of England and Wales, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice and the ONS. Taking the averages over the last three years, officials said the figures showed the likely scale of attrition for rapes. Estimates from the Crime Survey showed 78,000 rapes took place in a year, but just 15,670 attacks were recorded by police, 3850 of which were classed as detected, leading to the convictions of 1,070 offenders for a total of 2,461 rapes. Most, some 95%, were jailed in 2011, on average for more than eight years and six months. Some 19 rapists were cautioned, but 16 of these involved juveniles and most involved both victims and offenders who were under 18. No details of the other three cases were released. One in 20 women aged 16 to 59 reported being raped or seriously sexually attacked since they were 16, with one in five saying they were victims of other sexual offences such as threats, unwanted touching or indecent exposure. Nine in 10 victims of rape or serious sex attacks knew their attacker, the figures showed. Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, said the figures “should be a wake-up call to the Home Secretary to do more”. “It is deeply unfair that so many victims do not get the justice or protection they deserve,” she said. Javed Khan, chief executive of Victim Support, said the conviction rate was far too low mainly because “few victims feel confident enough to report attacks in the first place”. "Much more needs to be done to encourage rape victims to report incidents – such as promoting high-quality support services to help victims move on with their lives, and ensuring that we shift the rape ‘blame culture’ from victims to offenders," he said. Jeremy Wright, the justice minister, said: “All sexual offences are abhorrent. “Very tough sentences are available to the courts for those who commit the most serious offences including a new mandatory life sentence which we have introduced for anyone convicted of a second very serious sexual or violent crime “We are already looking into how police cautions are being used. “We shouldn't remove the right for police officers to exercise discretion but the public are right to expect that people who commit serious crimes will be brought before a court."
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Post by Bestie on Nov 28, 2014 16:14:14 GMT
Exactly. That's why Evans' conviction carries so much weight for me.
Although, technically it should really read "Around 780, 000 potential victims are allegedly raped each year".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 16:19:58 GMT
By a similar number of proper dickheads
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 17:01:48 GMT
Any sex crime is disgusting. I fucking hate rapists scum. But having read different views on this and as close as to the facts as I can see I seriously think he will win his appeal. Bear in mind he was convicted of Rape and not adultery. I think this is not as open and shut as some think. Read Mike Simmons' blog about Ched Evans for an interesting take on this case.
blog.mikesimmons.co.uk/ched-evans-justice-or-absurd-verdict/
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Post by CaajScot on Nov 28, 2014 19:35:57 GMT
Guilty or not, wanker for putting himself in that position... had a Mrs at the time, who for some reason has stuck with him.As a married man for 40 years come December, if I had done anything like that I would have been dead and buried by my wife, son & daughter. And if I wanted my 'end away' as we call here in Scotland when I felt randy one night and the wife was not in the mood she would have let me know in a Scottish lady like way and say 'FUCK OFF' and kicked me in the bollocks and I would have got the message. Serious though, the law is the law. He was proven guilty in a court of law by a jury. Don't believe what you read in the tabloid press. If this had happened in a few certain countries around the world then the lady in question would have been imprisoned or executed because she was allowed herself too be raped. Think about it.
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Post by gdmm on Nov 28, 2014 20:36:24 GMT
Let me think. Should I accept the decision of a group of independent people, with no interest in either party or the website of the convicted criminal. Hmmm.
No remorse, no acceptance of guilt: no second chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 21:13:58 GMT
Let me think. Should I accept the decision of a group of independent people, with no interest in either party or the website of the convicted criminal. Hmmm. No remorse, no acceptance of guilt: no second chance. At the end of the day if this guy is a rapist then he can go to hell. But the publicly available evidence in this case seems to open the door for a mistake to have been made by the jury. That's all Im saying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 22:44:16 GMT
Isn't it notoriously difficult to get a conviction in a rape case? I know the statistics here in Ireland are damning when it actually comes to getting a conviction, 1 or 2% I think. So when there is a conviction here there tends to be overwhelming proof of guilt. Not sure what it's like in the UK. www.amnesty.ie/news/damning-indictment-ireland%E2%80%99s-attitude-womenit's he said vs she said really isn't it. Very hard to know for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 22:51:49 GMT
Have you studied the case? The girl had made several claims before and tweeted about how happy she was to be getting a pay day out of it. There was nothing violent about the crime. She went to his hotel room voluntarily and then woke up and said she didn't remember anything. No drugs were found in her system and no alcohol either. New video evidence shows she didn't even look intoxicated when entering the hotel room. If he loses his appeal then he's made a disgusting mistake but not something he can't come back from. Brendan Rodgers son imo did the exact same thing. Better Lawyers equals not guilty and allowed to keep playing football. Have you studied the case? His initial appeal was thrown out, because of the evidence against him. He even admitted the girl did not give consent, there was no implied consent. like there was with the other lad, as they were all over each other earlier in the night. People who are being apologists and blaming the girl can fight me! No haven't been able to find any of that. The only evidence that I've heard of is a video tape of him going in and going out . I'm not bothered much anymore though. He will either win or lose the appeal and it will surely be correct the second time.
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Post by _ on Nov 30, 2014 22:36:04 GMT
Seems Oldham may be prepared to tell everyone to fuck off and take him on - obviously don't have any fans or sponsors
TBH it would be best all round if he fucked off to another country where rape is a national pastime .. you know the ones
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 22:47:36 GMT
Seems Oldham may be prepared to tell everyone to fuck off and take him on - obviously don't have any fans or sponsors TBH it would be best all round if he fucked off to another country where rape is a national pastime .. you know the ones He would probably make some decent money if he did. Maybe he could represent them at the World Cup.
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Post by _ on Nov 30, 2014 23:01:24 GMT
Seems Oldham may be prepared to tell everyone to fuck off and take him on - obviously don't have any fans or sponsors TBH it would be best all round if he fucked off to another country where rape is a national pastime .. you know the ones He would probably make some decent money if he did. Maybe he could represent them at the World Cup. He should email FIFAs ethics committee
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 2:07:42 GMT
He should never play professional football again. Guilty or not the whole thing would give football such a bad name. Footballers are role models or supposed to be. How can you possibly refer to him as such after this.
How many of us have gone out on the lash and asked actual permission to do something? You don't, you just go with the flow and see what happens. OK there's a fair argument if they say no and refuse but from what I've read there has been none of this. His girlfriends a fucking Muppet as well sticking by him.
I'm no expert in the matter but seems a bit odd to me how its all turned out. Also the girl that quit her job at Sheff Utd over it is a fucking hypocryte as well. Moaning she refuses to be associated with a convicted rapist yet posed for selfies with Mike Tyson soon after his own conviction. What a bellend.
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Post by washyourhands on Dec 1, 2014 2:35:43 GMT
Seems Oldham may be prepared to tell everyone to fuck off and take him on - obviously don't have any fans or sponsors TBH it would be best all round if he fucked off to another country where rape is a national pastime .. you know the ones Which ones would they be then, out of curiosity?
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