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Post by ratbag on Dec 24, 2016 12:47:02 GMT
Unfuckingbelieveable...
This guy is so deluded...
It just makes us more determined to beat the shit out of them on Monday...
Manchester United's "great traditions" have "gone", according to their former boss and current Sunderland manager David Moyes.
The Scot was sacked by United in 2014 - less than a season after being chosen to replace club legend Sir Alex Ferguson.
He said the club had "tended to pick British managers" and never felt the need to impose themselves in the transfer market.
"I can say that's gone," added Moyes.
"There have been a few changes at Manchester United but that's the way they have chosen to go."
United have spent £480m since Sir Alex Ferguson retired in 2013 after 26 years as manager.
They broke their club record in January 2014 by signing midfielder Juan Mata from Chelsea for £37.1m - a deal done under Moyes, and spent a British record £59.7m on Real Madrid winger Angel Di Maria later that year, after Dutchman Louis van Gaal took over.
In August this year, they gave new boss Jose Mourinho a world record £89m to sign midfielder Paul Pogba from Juventus.
"They were a football club who enjoyed traditions with the way they spent," said Moyes, who returns to Old Trafford as a manager on Boxing Day, with relegation-threatened Sunderland, for the first time since he was sacked.
"They didn't try to compete with all the other clubs. They did what they thought was the right thing to do and spent the right way.
"Maybe that has had to change because of the current situation. [But] Sir Alex [Ferguson] went out and bought wisely and correctly in the transfer market and what he thought he needed to do."
Moyes repeated a claim that he was "definitely unfairly treated" by not being given enough time and also confirmed that the club missed out on a number of major transfers during his short tenure - including Real Madrid and Wales forward Gareth Bale, Madrid team-mate Toni Kroos and Chelsea midfielder Cesc Fabregas.
"When I first went in my real target was Gareth Bale," said Moyes. "I felt all along that Gareth Bale was a Manchester United player.
"I fought right until the last minute. We actually offered a bigger deal than Real Madrid. But Gareth had his mind made up on going to Real Madrid. That was, in my mind, the player I really wanted to bring to Manchester United.
"The other one was Cesc Fabregas, who we thought we would get right up until the last minute.
"I remember when I first met Sir Alex and he always said there was a chance Ronaldo might come back.
"So that was the level we were targeting. I was not going out to bring in seven, eight players, because we had a squad which had just won the league.
"Toni Kroos was agreed to come in the summer. I had agreed it with Toni himself and his agent. Sometimes you don't get deals done. Gareth Bale, we were probably behind all along, Real Madrid were well in for it.
"The Cesc one was disappointing. It was very close. And Toni Kroos came up in January - it was done.
"A lot of players come into Manchester United and have not necessarily made the difference. But I think that, given time and having got to this period, I would have hoped I would be working with a successful team now."
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Dec 24, 2016 13:53:23 GMT
It takes a great manager and GM, to bring in top players. Did Ed and Moyes have the 'must play for' mojo that would bring a big deal in? I think not. We are now keeping and bringing in players with Jose, and Ed is now getting deals done in a proper time line. Spanish Dave stayed on because of Mou, and Ibra-Mhiki amongst others came in based on Jose and Uniteds rep. We were in a downward spiral with our players and playing style with Moyes, he needs to look forward and stop looking back at his failed stop with us....
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Post by Bestie on Dec 24, 2016 15:38:56 GMT
I desperately want to meet Moyes face to face and have a frank discussion with him.
I will never forgive him. Don't give two flying fucks if he has convinced himself United supporters think anything but derision of him. Only goes to show just how utterly clueless he is.
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Dec 24, 2016 20:09:20 GMT
Words cannot describe how much I loathe Moyes.
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Post by dazjoe on Dec 24, 2016 21:56:19 GMT
The man who spent 28M on Maourane Fellaini is saying United use to spend wisely?
Yeah, we certainly fucking USED TO David.
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Post by Sméagol on Dec 24, 2016 22:24:35 GMT
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Post by grandpaTJ on Dec 24, 2016 23:10:27 GMT
Words cannot describe how much I loathe Moyes. Moyes has the "loatheability" factor of a room full of Scousers" Those are the words I would use tio describe that bug-eyed fooker! (even if loatheaability isn't a word, damn sure ought to be, need to send a letter to Oxford and get it added , picture defining it would be Moyes' youth football card photo.
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Dec 24, 2016 23:48:31 GMT
Great minds think alike, small minds rarely differ. It's an encrypted message
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Post by dokgolf on Dec 25, 2016 1:24:27 GMT
Hi all, touchy subject here. I'm probably going to add fuel to the fire but, I think, ANY Manchester United manager, should be backed by the board who appointed him. Moyes wasn't. I have no issue with the fact the the job was too big for him ( I never thought he should have been appointed in the first place)but I do have issue with the fact that the chief exec in particular, left the manager and by default, the entire club, floundering, with pathetic attempts to get deals over the line. Someone, a few posts back, said that we are attracting players in, with jose in charge. If that is the case ( and I agree 100% it is), then it adds more to the argument that Moyes should never have been appointed in the first place. This is solely the fault of the board ( in spite of fergie's recommendation). It's not Moyes's fault he wasn't up to the job, it's the boards.
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Post by Karma on Dec 25, 2016 1:38:46 GMT
Great minds think alike, small minds rarely differ. It's an encrypted message Thank god we didn't make it any worse by appointing GIggs.
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Post by Karma on Dec 25, 2016 1:52:22 GMT
Hi all, touchy subject here. I'm probably going to add fuel to the fire but, I think, ANY Manchester United manager, should be backed by the board who appointed him. Moyes wasn't. I have no issue with the fact the the job was too big for him ( I never thought he should have been appointed in the first place)but I do have issue with the fact that the chief exec in particular, left the manager and by default, the entire club, floundering, with pathetic attempts to get deals over the line. Someone, a few posts back, said that we are attracting players in, with jose in charge. If that is the case ( and I agree 100% it is), then it adds more to the argument that Moyes should never have been appointed in the first place. This is solely the fault of the board ( in spite of fergie's recommendation). It's not Moyes's fault he wasn't up to the job, it's the boards. I agree that the board should never have gone near him. He was linked with us before Fergie announced his retirement. I think he was first choice for at least 3 reasons An attempt for continuity with a premier league proven manager. Won nothing mind but they may have believed he was a steady Eddie and could have at least got top 4 every season pretty much. Fergies recommended him. I seriously don't think he would have been considered without this. The board may be naive but they didn't even have an interview lined up. For one of the biggest jobs in football. Judgement clouded by romantic bollocks. Cut from the same cloth, British and Scottish like Fergie and Busby. They thought he would build another Scottish dynasty. The fact that there were rumours that Fergie had been marginalised after his sacking. Fergie was championing Giggs along with quite a few ex players, bigging him up for manager in the press. They did a full U turn on the Giggs to follow Van Gaal and opted for Jose. I doubt they will make such a grave error again.
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Post by RAZ on Dec 25, 2016 4:21:18 GMT
Appointing him was a huge mistake but the decision to back him further would have been an even bigger mistake. It was absolutely the right decision to sack him,i dont think that is debatable at all
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Post by alwaysUnited on Dec 25, 2016 5:43:21 GMT
Hi all, touchy subject here. I'm probably going to add fuel to the fire but, I think, ANY Manchester United manager, should be backed by the board who appointed him. Moyes wasn't. I have no issue with the fact the the job was too big for him ( I never thought he should have been appointed in the first place)but I do have issue with the fact that the chief exec in particular, left the manager and by default, the entire club, floundering, with pathetic attempts to get deals over the line. Someone, a few posts back, said that we are attracting players in, with jose in charge. If that is the case ( and I agree 100% it is), then it adds more to the argument that Moyes should never have been appointed in the first place. This is solely the fault of the board ( in spite of fergie's recommendation). It's not Moyes's fault he wasn't up to the job, it's the boards. Sorry but i just dont agree with the logic that if you make a clear mistake you have to stick with it for a certain time before you correct it.
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Post by mightyez on Dec 25, 2016 6:18:34 GMT
amazing how someone can come in so arrogantly, tearing up a perfectly fine coaching team to replace them with novices. amazing how someone can tel rio ferdinand the rolls royce defender he is to watch videos of the ford focus that is phil jagielka. amazing how someone so deluded can come in and realise he was the major reason we have had to get into the market so heavily, he was the foundation of things going wrong, in fact to put it kindly he was his own worst enemy.
David Moyes please stop making excuses for you failures, you continue to mention us and we try to forget you!
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Post by redcase on Dec 25, 2016 7:40:37 GMT
Hi all, touchy subject here. I'm probably going to add fuel to the fire but, I think, ANY Manchester United manager, should be backed by the board who appointed him. Moyes wasn't. I have no issue with the fact the the job was too big for him ( I never thought he should have been appointed in the first place)but I do have issue with the fact that the chief exec in particular, left the manager and by default, the entire club, floundering, with pathetic attempts to get deals over the line. Someone, a few posts back, said that we are attracting players in, with jose in charge. If that is the case ( and I agree 100% it is), then it adds more to the argument that Moyes should never have been appointed in the first place. This is solely the fault of the board ( in spite of fergie's recommendation). It's not Moyes's fault he wasn't up to the job, it's the boards. A departing manager/CEO should never be allowed to cherry pick his successor. That's something I always consider as dogma. It just paves the way for things to get really ugly and messy. Right now, Fergie will have to shoulder most of the blame for that fiasco, because he came out and said Moyes would succeed him (or, fail him, in this case). The board should have stepped in of their own accord and taken it upon themselves to appoint a successor. Now, they are very conveniently shielded from most of the blame, simply because they can say that it was Fergie's decision and they were honoring him by letting him decide, or some bollocks like that. So yes, the board should take all the blame, not only for Moyes, but for letting Fergie appoint him. Everyone knew Moyes wasn't the right man, deep down, everyone knew. The first reaction to the appointment of that clown was that of shock, because he wasn't fit. Those feelings, however, were buried largely because they didn't want to look unsupportive to the cause and also because of the top reds. That being said, the way Moyes went about the job was shambolic. Transfer window shitshow aside, as a Manchester United manager, you don't fucking say things like "We aspire to be like Citeh", "Liverpool are favourites" or "We'll give it a good go" against cunting Newcastle. You just fucking don't. Then there was that Fulham (?) game. Where he celebrated exactly like the small time cunt that he is, after 88 crosses into the box, only to conceded a few minutes after. I fimrly believe that the cunt should have been sacked at Christmas. It was fucking pigheaded of that board to keep him till the end of the season. He was never going to turn things around. What the fuck were they trying to prove by keeping him around that long? A mistake was made and it had to be rectified. It's a fucking travesty that they took so long to remove him .
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