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Post by dazjoe on Nov 11, 2017 22:57:34 GMT
It's getting a little bit scary now.
A little "stalker-ish".
If I was Roy Keane logging in here for a bit read of my former club, I'd be thinking "Jesus Christ man, what the fuck? I hope this dude doesn't know my address"*
* Though it's almost nailed on he does.
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Post by Deez on Nov 12, 2017 0:04:37 GMT
It's getting a little bit scary now. A little "stalker-ish". If I was Roy Keane logging in here for a bit read of my former club, I'd be thinking "Jesus Christ man, what the fuck? I hope this dude doesn't know my address"* * Though it's almost nailed on he does.Even Roy Keane doesn't love Roy Keane this much |
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Post by Max United on Nov 12, 2017 0:34:01 GMT
Tldr
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Post by redcase on Nov 12, 2017 8:12:46 GMT
Ferguson also said Moyes was a worthy successor to him. Remember that. All you have are quotations from other people. People praising him, that's about it. Collective praise doesn't make somebody a good manager. I could put some actual information from when he actually managed a football club, like win/loss % etc and something that actually has some meaning, but I really don't have the time. I mentioned it elsewhere. Its not good. In fact, its shite. Quelle Suprise I hadn't even read the title until now. "A return to the fergie days ". Fuck me. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 12, 2017 10:44:02 GMT
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 11:10:01 GMT
Mate, what? I can sit here and with great confidence say that Roy Keane will never be manager of this club but he'll also never have any kind of coaching role. Look how well it went for the Irish when he was assistant manager.Mate, Keane still is the Republic of Ireland assistant manager and doing a great job. He was on the staff bench for the Denmark vs Ireland World Cup play off last night. Check the section in my second post under the heading 'Republic of Ireland' to read a bit about his time there. |
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 11:13:59 GMT
This fixation seems largely based on a subjective appreciation of Keane. I loved him as a player, loved him as a captain, but when you're looking at managers - especially those capable of managing United - you have to focus on their objective merits. Objectively, Keane hasn't done anything of any signicance in his managerial career at club level and hence this issue is a non-starter for 99% of the board. Good night, and Good luck. Yes, it is almost entirely subjective - the testimony/quotes are the opinions and experiences of staff and players who have worked with Keane. Who better placed to judge him? Whilst it's subjective, I'd take their word on it. I'd also consider objective fact, which would be results and trophies. The trouble is, how can we compare a manager at a big club to that of a small club? The big club will invariably achieve better results than a small club because of their greater finances and players, no matter the respective managers. So how do we know which manager is really the best? Ideally achievements need to be considered in context, which is where subjectivity again comes in. A good example of that was when Barcelona were looking for a new manager in 2008. The two on the shortlist were Mourinho, with his CL trophy, multiple league titles and cups, and Guardiola, who had only a season managing the Barcelona reserves. Objectively the pick had to be Mourinho. Yet the board picked Guardiola because they deemed him a better fit to the club culture (a subjective factor) and never looked back. There are plenty of other examples - Conte at Juventus, Simeone at Atletico, Zidane at Madrid - they didn't have great prior records so these appointments would not have happened if the selection criteria were objective. Isn't it more about getting someone with the right character and ethos for the club as about their CV achievements in different circumstances elsewhere? |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Nov 12, 2017 11:23:57 GMT
Quotes which you've chosen to attach value to and anecdotes relating to characters at other clubs won't cut it for me I'm afraid, beyond having a temper the guy has proven not only average in management at club level, but downright shit.
Beginning to wonder if maybe the rumors were true, is Keano walking among us?
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 11:42:38 GMT
It's getting a little bit scary now. A little "stalker-ish". If I was Roy Keane logging in here for a bit read of my former club, I'd be thinking "Jesus Christ man, what the fuck? I hope this dude doesn't know my address"* * Though it's almost nailed on he does.We all stalk United, don't we? It just happens I think Keane could be a hugely positive influence on United. Beyond that I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't even need speculating about since we already know the hugely positive influence he had as a leader inside the United dressing room for 12 of the club's most successful years. All I'm suggesting is United bring back that influence. I'm not sure why that meets with such opposition? |
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Post by Karma on Nov 12, 2017 11:43:52 GMT
What's this obsession with ex players managing us?
None of them are anywhere close to the level of what we need.
This romantic nostalgia needs to stop.
Keane would probably murder half our squad on current form.
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 11:57:59 GMT
Quotes which you've chosen to attach value to and anecdotes relating to characters at other clubs won't cut it for me I'm afraid, beyond having a temper the guy has proven not only average in management at club level, but downright shit. Beginning to wonder if maybe the rumors were true, is Keano walking among us? Fair enough, respect your opinion and thank you for being constructive about it. Would you have time to read my second post (about Keane's management history) and let me know what is downright shit about it? I don't understand that. Conte, Pochettino, Simeone, Klopp were all sacked, relegated and/or left teams rock bottom before getting their chances at bigger clubs. Heck, even Fergie finished one place above the relegation zone with St Mirren and got sacked before going on to better things. I'm not saying Keane has a great record, not at all, but isn't his early career more than comparable to that of some other top managers? |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 12, 2017 13:19:00 GMT
Apart from everything else, Keane has ZERO inter-personal skills, that why he’s been so woeful as a manager.
As Karma said, he’d murder half the team, the other half would fuck off.
This is wummery of the first degree.
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
Apart from everything else, Keane has ZERO inter-personal skills, that why he’s been so woeful as a manager. As Karma said, he’d murder half the team, the other half would fuck off. This is wummery of the first degree. I know that's the impression of Keane but if you scroll down to the 'Man-Management' heading in the OP it appears that's not actually the case? |
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Post by - on Nov 12, 2017 13:32:02 GMT
What's this obsession with ex players managing us? None of them are anywhere close to the level of what we need. This romantic nostalgia needs to stop. Keane would probably murder half our squad on current form. Nah, if that's what it was about I'd be all over Giggs for manager, but I'm not. It's more that Keane is the closest character match to Ferguson, ex player or not. Though I wouldn't say it's a bad thing for ex captains/players to manage clubs. Look how many have won the Champions League/European Cup going back to the 80s... 1981 – Bob Paisley - Liverpool 1986 – Emerich Jenei – Steaua Bucharest 1987 – Artur Jorge - Porto 1988 – Gus Hiddink - PSV 1992 - Johan Cruyf – Barcelona 1994 – Fabio Capello – Milan 2000 – Vincente del Bosque – Madrid 2002 – Vincente del Bosque – Madrid 2003 – Carlo Ancelotti – Milan 2007 – Carlo Ancelotti – Milan 2009 – Josep Guardiola – Barcelona 2011 – Josep Guardiola – Barcelona 2012 - Roberto Di Matteo – Chelsea 2015 – Luis Enrique – Barcelona 2016 – Zinedine Zidane – Madrid 2017 - Zinedine Zidane - Madrid Then there's Simeone, a former captain of Atletico, who has also reached a couple of finals lately. I'm just saying being an ex player isn't a drawback. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 12, 2017 13:36:22 GMT
Martin O Neill probably keeps him on a tight leash.
Which is the best way to have him on board.
A great player but doesn't have the temperament to be a no 1.
Imagine how prickly his pre match conferences would be? He's a bubbling pan on a stove waiting to splatter everywhere.
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