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Post by Stew on Feb 16, 2021 23:40:19 GMT
Barcelona have really have fallen off a cliff. Even with Messi, there easy picking for PSG. They are more fucked than United. Messi will be off in the summer, City or PSG. For free. Whilst his wages off the books will be a massive financial boost for them, getting no money from a transfer isn't going to help them any. Financially they're in a total hole. Player for player they really aren't all that anymore. They spent massive on players who've done absolutely nothing for them (Coutinho, Dembele, Greizmann) Their only hope is the likes of Pedri and Fati stay and take up the mantle, but they look a million miles off being a top, top team again. A friendly bet. A pint says they win the league again before we do.
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 17, 2021 0:09:43 GMT
They are more fucked than United. Messi will be off in the summer, City or PSG. For free. Whilst his wages off the books will be a massive financial boost for them, getting no money from a transfer isn't going to help them any. Financially they're in a total hole. Player for player they really aren't all that anymore. They spent massive on players who've done absolutely nothing for them (Coutinho, Dembele, Greizmann) Their only hope is the likes of Pedri and Fati stay and take up the mantle, but they look a million miles off being a top, top team again. A friendly bet. A pint says they win the league again before we do. I'll pass The sad thing is I wouldn't take a bet that Leicester win the league before us again. Genuinely.
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Post by bushy1987 on Feb 17, 2021 7:58:05 GMT
But Poch never won a trophy... Once he wins the league this year that myth will go, bit then it will be "well he's won it in France, my nan could win the league with psg"
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 8:03:14 GMT
But Poch never won a trophy... Once he wins the league this year that myth will go, bit then it will be "well he's won it in France, my nan could win the league with psg" Very much so.
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Post by johnboy14 on Feb 17, 2021 8:26:59 GMT
Once he wins the league this year that myth will go, bit then it will be "well he's won it in France, my nan could win the league with psg" Very much so. For me his lack of trophies was never a problem, I wanted to see him at Utd because he has a track record of building sides and developing younger players. We have lots of young players, who with the right coaching could go to another level. He will certainly win the title in France with PSG but it is hard to judge how they will fare in the CL, yes they smashed Barcelona but Barcelona are poor now. They definitely look more organised now, compared to when we played them under Tuchel.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 17, 2021 9:13:37 GMT
Once he wins the league this year that myth will go, bit then it will be "well he's won it in France, my nan could win the league with psg" Very much so. But an old woman could win the French League with PSG. That is simply meeting expectation. It's Pochettino constantly turning his nose up at the domestic cups, otherwise known as Spurs' best chance of silverware, every season.
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 9:31:02 GMT
For me his lack of trophies was never a problem, I wanted to see him at Utd because he has a track record of building sides and developing younger players. We have lots of young players, who with the right coaching could go to another level. He will certainly win the title in France with PSG but it is hard to judge how they will fare in the CL, yes they smashed Barcelona but Barcelona are poor now. They definitely look more organised now, compared to when we played them under Tuchel. It’s the reason I wanted him here too. People are pretty high on Nagelsmann, and rightly so as he’s done a fine job. But why doesn’t the ‘he never won trophies’ caveat apply to him as well?
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 9:33:37 GMT
But an old woman could win the French League with PSG. That is simply meeting expectation. It's Pochettino constantly turning his nose up at the domestic cups, otherwise known as Spurs' best chance of silverware, every season. So in a nutshell winning trophies at say City, Bayern, Juve, PSG and Real Madrid isn’t really winning a trophy? It’s just meeting expectation? It’s useful to know when Ole eventually gets fired.
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 9:51:31 GMT
Bestie- I think you and I are both in agreement that Brendan Rodgers would be a clear upgrade on Ole and we’d welcome him at Utd. But the only silverware he’s won came at Celtic, which given the circumstances when he joined, was also just meeting requirements. So why is he acceptable but Poch wasn’t?
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 17, 2021 10:01:17 GMT
Barca have been criminally mismanaged going back to the Pep era. Their financial reckoning has been coming for over half a decade now, and rebuilding the side is harder than ever due to the oil clubs. That said, I still think they're the most likely club Messi plays for next year. He genuinely loves them and the new board will give him total control. Doubt he really fancies PSG and City are sadly too smart to spunk that much cash on a player that, whilst still brilliant, is getting worse and probably won't have quite as much longevity as Ronaldo, who is the biggest freak of nature the sport has ever seen.City will buy Haaland instead and win a bunch of league titles whilst we faff around and say at least we don't have it as bad as Barca and Milan (whilst the former still always gets into the CL and the latter is quietly finally rejuvinating). Zlatan is close, but Ronaldo is a bigger freak IMO. Zlatan’s had a couple of off years in there, Ronaldo is near the top scorer charts every single season no matter what.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Feb 17, 2021 10:29:31 GMT
Yeah with Zlatan you look at him and think "Wow, still so good for his age!". It's apparent he's an older player who is still pretty damn good.
Ronaldo still looks like a fucking 30 year old, you're almost not impressed by his continued brilliance, it's just Ronaldo. Think the biggest difference with him as opposed to Zlatan is that you simply just forget his age.
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Post by redcase on Feb 17, 2021 10:38:01 GMT
Bestie- I think you and I are both in agreement that Brendan Rodgers would be a clear upgrade on Ole and we’d welcome him at Utd. But the only silverware he’s won came at Celtic, which given the circumstances when he joined, was also just meeting requirements. So why is he acceptable but Poch wasn’t? This is spot on. I was in the "he's won nothing" camp when it came to Pocchetino but I've let that notion go since a few months now. Considering the level of manager we have right now at this moment, we cannot hope for a real winner of a manager to come into this place. It'll have to be someone who could possibly punch above his weight.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 17, 2021 12:12:13 GMT
But an old woman could win the French League with PSG. That is simply meeting expectation. It's Pochettino constantly turning his nose up at the domestic cups, otherwise known as Spurs' best chance of silverware, every season. So in a nutshell winning trophies at say City, Bayern, Juve, PSG and Real Madrid isn’t really winning a trophy? It’s just meeting expectation? It’s useful to know when Ole eventually gets fired. That is not what I said. Ligue Un is clearly the least competitive of the leagues those teams play in. Winning it with PSG isn't worthless but it does not exactly prove anything either. My issue with Pochettino had always been 1. He couldn't push Spurs to the next level to win something while 2. He constantly ignored the FA and League Cups when those were clearly the best route to a trophy. I'm more interested to see how Pochettino does in Europe. They clearly want a European Cup so that's what he has been brought in to win.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 17, 2021 12:24:34 GMT
Bestie- I think you and I are both in agreement that Brendan Rodgers would be a clear upgrade on Ole and we’d welcome him at Utd. But the only silverware he’s won came at Celtic, which given the circumstances when he joined, was also just meeting requirements. So why is he acceptable but Poch wasn’t? I think you have misread my point slightly. Rodgers went to Celtic and swept everyone aside in every domestic competition they played in. The big black mark would be his European record - he didn't change his tactics against the likes of Barca/PSG and Celtic (hilariously, admittedly) ended up getting absolutely hammered (seriously, that was brilliant ). Which in a way I like, because this nonsense of setting our team up to counter the opposition's tactics is bollocks. But the top level managers know when to be pragmatic. For me, the level of overall improvement Rodgers gets from his squads and growth of clubs acts as a balance to 'only' dominating Scottish football. Whereas, again just for me, everything about Pochettino overall doesn't balance out him not winning something at Tottenham. Does that make sense?
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Post by Stew on Feb 17, 2021 13:38:18 GMT
Bestie- I think you and I are both in agreement that Brendan Rodgers would be a clear upgrade on Ole and we’d welcome him at Utd. But the only silverware he’s won came at Celtic, which given the circumstances when he joined, was also just meeting requirements. So why is he acceptable but Poch wasn’t? I think you have misread my point slightly. Rodgers went to Celtic and swept everyone aside in every domestic competition they played in. The big black mark would be his European record - he didn't change his tactics against the likes of Barca/PSG and Celtic (hilariously, admittedly) ended up getting absolutely hammered (seriously, that was brilliant ). Which in a way I like, because this nonsense of setting our team up to counter the opposition's tactics is bollocks. But the top level managers know when to be pragmatic. For me, the level of overall improvement Rodgers gets from his squads and growth of clubs acts as a balance to 'only' dominating Scottish football. Whereas, again just for me, everything about Pochettino overall doesn't balance out him not winning something at Tottenham. Does that make sense? It makes sense. I don’t agree with you but I understand where you’re coming from.
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