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Post by Kojak on Aug 18, 2023 6:44:52 GMT
I'm just gonna tell the truth, I want him back in the team. This has kicked up more outrage than the Saudi murderers buying Newcastle, I bet if Putin bought Liverpool it would kick up less of a storm. Giggs was a prick, but if you could clone him exactly as he was, morals and all, I'd take him back in a heartbeat. I'm not here, or supporting united for morals, I wanna see the team win, all the time and at the moment he gives us a better chance if he can somehow recapture his early promise. If Qatar come in and jettison him in January to never play football again and replace him with Osimhen, perfect. The Ryan Giggs comparisons are absolutely wild. Ryan Giggs to my knowledge never did anything like this while he was playing for United. He’s been accused of things since, but not while he was playing for us. The stuff with his brother, I’m not sure if he was still playing for us or not when that came out, I can’t remember. But if so, that’s something morally reprehensible. Not the same thing. He’s been accused of other things, illegal things, since then. And no longer has a public association with the club, presumably as a consequence. I dunno man, it’s basically a kids game init football. The treatment of women is more important. Standards are more important. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 18, 2023 7:06:49 GMT
In fact, go back a few pages and read that transcript.
Now consider if that was your daughter/sister/mother, would you still be happy with the other person coming back to play for United just because you want us to win trophies?
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Post by oscared on Aug 18, 2023 7:12:52 GMT
If were not such a shit run club and actually had plenty of options for strikers, you know like a normal wealthy club...
That poor excuse to want him back wouldn't even be there, I cant see this going well if he`s allowed to play for us again the backlash will be huge and rightly so.
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Post by DedRevil on Aug 18, 2023 7:46:42 GMT
In fact, go back a few pages and read that transcript. Now consider if that was your daughter/sister/mother, would you still be happy with the other person coming back to play for United just because you want us to win trophies? It's not though. Her own dad seems happy enough with the situation because he's not killed him with his bare hands. I've said my bit on it, I'm alright with him coming back, not gonna get into a back and forth about how I'm wrong |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 18, 2023 8:05:04 GMT
Weren’t there rumours at the time about the parents not being happy about the breakup as they would lose their meal ticket?
If that’s the case, I’m not sure we can look at her father’s response as some kind of green light to accept a domestic abuser back into the side.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 18, 2023 8:22:25 GMT
Weren’t there rumours at the time about the parents not being happy about the breakup as they would lose their meal ticket? If that’s the case, I’m not sure we can look at her father’s response as some kind of green light to accept a domestic abuser back into the side. We definitely can't, my first thoughts on his reaction was that it just came across as weird, but I don't wanna judge really. I don't know what happened behind close doors, I don't what was going through his mind, don't know what the advise was etc. It's all good and well people thinking I'd do xyz (not saying that's what you are saying, more a general comment), reality is a different thing. As much as The content of what was in that video troubles me and The photos aswell (image just crossed my mind), I still think, if she has moved on, her family have moved on, if he is genuinely remorseful and seriously understands the errors of his way and is going to do everything possible to move forward, protect his lady, child, family and help others in a similar situation to him, I want him given another chance. I have said this in a previous post but is anyone thinking of the victim is all of this? There is potential for a serious backlash on the victim if he is sacked, God forbid he spirals and the victim is on the receiving end, this is something that has to be considered |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 18, 2023 8:36:41 GMT
Mad how Southgate was ahead of the curve on this one. Interested to find out what *really* happened with him and Foden in Iceland...
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Post by mightyez on Aug 18, 2023 8:41:48 GMT
Mad how Southgate was ahead of the curve on this one. Interested to find out what *really* happened with him and Foden in Iceland... Forgot about that. My understanding was that it was more the players attitude to what occurred more than anything. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 18, 2023 8:42:54 GMT
I'm just gonna tell the truth, I want him back in the team. This has kicked up more outrage than the Saudi murderers buying Newcastle, I bet if Putin bought Liverpool it would kick up less of a storm. Giggs was a prick, but if you could clone him exactly as he was, morals and all, I'd take him back in a heartbeat. I'm not here, or supporting united for morals, I wanna see the team win, all the time and at the moment he gives us a better chance if he can somehow recapture his early promise. If Qatar come in and jettison him in January to never play football again and replace him with Osimhen, perfect. The Ryan Giggs comparisons are absolutely wild. Ryan Giggs to my knowledge never did anything like this while he was playing for United. He’s been accused of things since, but not while he was playing for us. The stuff with his brother, I’m not sure if he was still playing for us or not when that came out, I can’t remember. But if so, that’s something morally reprehensible. Not the same thing. He’s been accused of other things, illegal things, since then. And no longer has a public association with the club, presumably as a consequence. I dunno man, it’s basically a kids game init football. The treatment of women is more important. Standards are more important. There was no dirt on Giggs while he was playing. None. Everything surfaced after the fact. |
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Post by Paul on Aug 18, 2023 8:45:50 GMT
In fact, go back a few pages and read that transcript. Now consider if that was your daughter/sister/mother, would you still be happy with the other person coming back to play for United just because you want us to win trophies? As I said a few pages back. Switch Greenwood for Maguire. Would the narrative be the same? Not a chance. |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 18, 2023 9:22:53 GMT
Mad how Southgate was ahead of the curve on this one. Interested to find out what *really* happened with him and Foden in Iceland... Forgot about that. My understanding was that it was more the players attitude to what occurred more than anything. Foden got back in more or less straight away, which leads me to think there may have been something a bit more unsavoury with Greenwood. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Aug 18, 2023 9:25:01 GMT
Weren’t there rumours at the time about the parents not being happy about the breakup as they would lose their meal ticket? If that’s the case, I’m not sure we can look at her father’s response as some kind of green light to accept a domestic abuser back into the side. We definitely can't, my first thoughts on his reaction was that it just came across as weird, but I don't wanna judge really. I don't know what happened behind close doors, I don't what was going through his mind, don't know what the advise was etc. It's all good and well people thinking I'd do xyz (not saying that's what you are saying, more a general comment), reality is a different thing. As much as The content of what was in that video troubles me and The photos aswell (image just crossed my mind), I still think, if she has moved on, her family have moved on, if he is genuinely remorseful and seriously understands the errors of his way and is going to do everything possible to move forward, protect his lady, child, family and help others in a similar situation to him, I want him given another chance. I have said this in a previous post but is anyone thinking of the victim is all of this? There is potential for a serious backlash on the victim if he is sacked, God forbid he spirals and the victim is on the receiving end, this is something that has to be considered Am I reading the bolded part wrong or are you essentially saying we should have him back in case he gets angry and attacks her again? Because that's just completely backwards and tells you everything we need to know about whether he should be back in the side. |
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Post by mightyez on Aug 18, 2023 9:25:16 GMT
Forgot about that. My understanding was that it was more the players attitude to what occurred more than anything. Foden got back in more or less straight away, which leads me to think there may have been something a bit more unsavoury with Greenwood. Yeah sorry i said players, I meant player's (Greenwood). Attitude was alleged to have been rather shocking about the whole matter and it caused the coaches concern. |
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Post by mightyez on Aug 18, 2023 9:27:22 GMT
We definitely can't, my first thoughts on his reaction was that it just came across as weird, but I don't wanna judge really. I don't know what happened behind close doors, I don't what was going through his mind, don't know what the advise was etc. It's all good and well people thinking I'd do xyz (not saying that's what you are saying, more a general comment), reality is a different thing. As much as The content of what was in that video troubles me and The photos aswell (image just crossed my mind), I still think, if she has moved on, her family have moved on, if he is genuinely remorseful and seriously understands the errors of his way and is going to do everything possible to move forward, protect his lady, child, family and help others in a similar situation to him, I want him given another chance. I have said this in a previous post but is anyone thinking of the victim is all of this? There is potential for a serious backlash on the victim if he is sacked, God forbid he spirals and the victim is on the receiving end, this is something that has to be considered Am I reading the bolded part wrong or are you essentially saying we should have him back in case he gets angry and attacks her again? Because that's just completely backwards and tells you everything we need to know about whether he should be back in the side. What is clearly said was that it's a factor that needs to be considered. Reality is ALL aspects have to be considered, that's how decisions are normally made by people in authority and dear I say it Judges. Certain things can be nautically dismissed when the act is deemed that heinous. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 18, 2023 11:54:25 GMT
Good point on the England thing. I remember thinking Southgate was being a right wanker at the time because Foden got straight back in. But obviously more to it.
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