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Post by jkr on Apr 23, 2019 18:37:44 GMT
LOL, yeah those guys are the very reason why they're top of the league. No arguments there. 🤣 That wasn’t your question though, was it? This is disappearing down a blind alley like a Nani dribble. My original point was that United don't need to commit to a "core of British players", from that several posters have tried to shift goal posts to suit their argument, "Premier league proven" for instance. Think the concept of a "core" of a team needs brushed up on by some also. If you asked me who the core / key players of Liverpool are I'd be saying Allison, VVD, Robertson, Mane and Salah - 1 Brit among them. Shoehorning in TAA and Henderson is a joke, think someone even mentioned Lallana and STURRIDGE 😂 Come off it. |
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Post by Tatty on Apr 23, 2019 18:40:35 GMT
That wasn’t your question though, was it? This is disappearing down a blind alley like a Nani dribble. My original point was that United don't need to commit to a "core of British players", from that several posters have tried to shift goal posts to suit their argument, "Premier league proven" for instance. Think the concept of a "core" of a team needs brushed up on by some also. If you asked me who the core / key players of Liverpool are I'd be saying Allison, VVD, Robertson, Mane and Salah - 1 Brit among them. Shoehorning in TAA and Henderson is a joke, think someone even mentioned Lallana and STURRIDGE 😂 Come off it. TBF, TAA has played more often than not and is a key ingredient of why they can play how they do. Henderson is the captain. Milner is a jack of all trades and generally leads by example. IMO that would constitute a ‘core’. However, I see your point and agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:41:30 GMT
It has plenty to do with signing Premiership proven players, work ethic and patience to wait for the right players that fit in the manager's jigsaw. That's not the same thing we were discussing though. Not the same thing, no, but together with a British core I think we should do well looking for Premiership proven players. There are excellent players in this league who would improve us instantly and would jump at the chance to play for us. When we need the one top player to make to extra step I’ll worry about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:43:36 GMT
Where is Liverpool's "British / Irish" core then? Robertson, Milner, Gomez, TAA & Henderson. Not difficult if you take 5 mins to just have a quick think. And AOC |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:53:32 GMT
That wasn’t your question though, was it? This is disappearing down a blind alley like a Nani dribble. My original point was that United don't need to commit to a "core of British players", from that several posters have tried to shift goal posts to suit their argument, "Premier league proven" for instance. Think the concept of a "core" of a team needs brushed up on by some also. If you asked me who the core / key players of Liverpool are I'd be saying Allison, VVD, Robertson, Mane and Salah - 1 Brit among them. Shoehorning in TAA and Henderson is a joke, think someone even mentioned Lallana and STURRIDGE 😂 Come off it. I don’t understand the joke here. Liverpool’s success is not down to individual brilliance of some players alone. Milner and Henderson are integral to their midfield three and their two British FBs have been the best in the league by a mile. |
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Post by . on Apr 23, 2019 19:15:37 GMT
Being reported that Lingard tweeted a photo of him grabbing the United crest on his shirt.
He's got dogs abuse for doing it.
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Post by smithy2 on Apr 23, 2019 19:26:57 GMT
Being reported that Lingard tweeted a photo of him grabbing the United crest on his shirt. He's got dogs abuse for doing it. lol they are so clueless which I think is what annoys me the most. I guess its hard to see yourself as failing when you wake up in a mansion everyday, go online to your thousands of tweets and drive to work in a 80k car. Humility is what's missing from a lot of these players. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Apr 23, 2019 19:37:28 GMT
Pep has stated his team is no longer 'scared' to come to Old Trafford.
usually an manager wouldn't risk stating such a comment prior to facing an opponent because it would act as a galvanizing agent for the opposing team.
you just watch tomorrow how this statement makes not a jot of difference to our performance.
If Pep even had a shred of concern for the match, i doubt he'd say such a thing publicly. another small sign of where our standing is currently and how much respect (or the lack thereof) we command
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Post by Karma on Apr 23, 2019 19:41:12 GMT
here`s my take on the liverpool/man city title situation. we all had weeks/months to prepare ourselves for this situation and most in here knew exactly what they want to happen. i was one of the minority that i just couldnt decide what i want and i know i`ll be in the minority here. liverpool winning the league would be a nightmare, absolute nightmare. it will hurt and it will be absolutely horrific. however, i personally have come to the conclusion that i want us to win tomorrow. analysing the signs in recent years, liverpool are back. they are challenging for the premier league title and for the champions league. i dont think they will go away so the chances of my absolute nightmare of liverpool winning the league are not as low as i would wish for and there is a real chance of it happening, as much as it hurts me to say that. however, i`m also quite convinced about the fact that we dont need champions league football next year for a rebuild. if we target young english/irish players and other talent in world football, it wont matter too much if we play in the champions league or not. but as a united supporter for 2 1/2 decades i expect and demand the club to compete with the best in the world, in other words - champions league football. if we go for the huge rebuild and have all the talents next season, i want them to experience elite football, whether we have a chance of winning it or not. i want ole to work at the highest level possible with the players and squad he desires. one year out of champions league wouldnt be the end of the world, i certainly know that. but that is my demand to the club i support. having said all that, 2 short points that i want to include. being in the situation that i was in that i just didnt know what to wish for for tomorrow, i have 100% understanding for everyone who wishes for a loss against city. no problems with that from my point of view and i completely understand where you`re coming from. there wont be any bad blood from my side. 2nd: as most of you know i`ve been struggling with my life for the last few months, staying home from work now for 4 months already. my work contract got actually terminated last week so i`m officialy unemployed now while actually still trying to get healthy and back to my old self. having to experience that in recent months, my personal priorities have changed. football is still there and the first part of ole`s arrival helped to feel better but at the end of the day my current priority is my health, my family and my personal life. then comes united. so as much as it would hurt me to see the scouse lifting the title, shortly after i will have way more important things to figure out than thinking about those pricks. i just wish someone could guarantee me that if we win tomorrow, liverpool still wont be lifting the title in may. There are positives and negatives to both scenarios imo. Pool Switch the TV off all summer 1 behind us Could potentially get a double and be level with us City Back to back PL, we were the last to do that Bitter horrible fans, worse than scousers imo Potentially a domestic treble Pep might be keener to stay rather than fuck off earlier Pool winning would have a greater impact in showing our incompetent owners up for their lack of ambition after coming 2nd last season whereas Pool scraped 4th. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 23, 2019 19:59:06 GMT
That's not the same thing we were discussing though. Not the same thing, no, but together with a British core I think we should do well looking for Premiership proven players. There are excellent players in this league who would improve us instantly and would jump at the chance to play for us. When we need the one top player to make to extra step I’ll worry about that. Yeah I've no problem with Premier league proven quality.  |
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Post by jkr on Apr 23, 2019 20:01:31 GMT
This is disappearing down a blind alley like a Nani dribble. My original point was that United don't need to commit to a "core of British players", from that several posters have tried to shift goal posts to suit their argument, "Premier league proven" for instance. Think the concept of a "core" of a team needs brushed up on by some also. If you asked me who the core / key players of Liverpool are I'd be saying Allison, VVD, Robertson, Mane and Salah - 1 Brit among them. Shoehorning in TAA and Henderson is a joke, think someone even mentioned Lallana and STURRIDGE 😂 Come off it. I don’t understand the joke here. Liverpool’s success is not down to individual brilliance of some players alone. Milner and Henderson are integral to their midfield three and their two British FBs have been the best in the league by a mile. Their midfield 3 is piss poor imo, the fullbacks (Robertson in particular) are very good, but the difference makers are VVD, Salah and Mane. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Apr 23, 2019 20:14:26 GMT
Being reported that Lingard tweeted a photo of him grabbing the United crest on his shirt. He's got dogs abuse for doing it. lol they are so clueless which I think is what annoys me the most. I guess its hard to see yourself as failing when you wake up in a mansion everyday, go online to your thousands of tweets and drive to work in a 80k car. Humility is what's missing from a lot of these players. but what else is the man to do? he's a United fan, has spent most of his life attached to the club and loves working there. the supporters think he's under-performing or simply not good enough, is that reason for him to shut down his media exposure or show no affection to the place where he works? I mean, were I one of these guys, I'd say fuck the fan outreach and make all of my shit private. good, bad or indifferent, I'd cut them right out. he's failing? really? by what standard exactly? compared to the history of Manchester United's greatest players? sure. compared to his academy graduating class? no, not at all, not many of them managed to get a professional contract from the club. compared to other players in the league? hardly, if you remember that that at 26 he has achieved more in the game than most professionals do throughout their careers. i think we forget that success is relative and if you play for United you are actually doing very well for yourself. WE the fans can focus on a loss' or players and say they are failures because we are judging them against the ghosts of United past, but that doesn't actually make them so. We'd do well to remember that there are probably less than 50 players in the world that play his position better than he does and hundreds if not thousands who aren't up to that level. Jesse is a very good footballer, the problem for him is that what we need is an elite one. he's shouldn't have to be insulted or abused because he's earned himself a contract from the club, and the powers that be saw fit to give it to him. he's should actually be commended and cherished for overcoming the consistent underestimation of his abilities, and remaining loyal to a club and fan base that have written him off more times than he can count. |
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Post by smithy2 on Apr 23, 2019 20:26:55 GMT
lol they are so clueless which I think is what annoys me the most. I guess its hard to see yourself as failing when you wake up in a mansion everyday, go online to your thousands of tweets and drive to work in a 80k car. Humility is what's missing from a lot of these players. but what else is the man to do? he's a United fan, has spent most of his life attached to the club and loves working there. the supporters think he's under-performing or simply not good enough, is that reason for him to shut down his media exposure or show no affection to the place where he works? I mean, were I one of these guys, I'd say fuck the fan outreach and make all of my shit private. good, bad or indifferent, I'd cut them right out. he's failing? really? by what standard exactly? compared to the history of Manchester United's greatest players? sure. compared to his academy graduating class? no, not at all, not many of them managed to get a professional contract from the club. compared to other players in the league? hardly, if you remember that that at 26 he has achieved more in the game than most professionals do throughout their careers. i think we forget that success is relative and if you play for United you are actually doing very well for yourself. WE the fans can focus on a loss' or players and say they are failures because we are judging them against the ghosts of United past, but that doesn't actually make them so. We'd do well to remember that there are probably less than 50 players in the world that play his position better than he does and hundreds if not thousands who aren't up to that level. Jesse is a very good footballer, the problem for him is that what we need is an elite one. he's shouldn't have to be insulted or abused because he's earned himself a contract from the club, and the powers that be saw fit to give it to him. he's should actually be commended and cherished for overcoming the consistent underestimation of his abilities, and remaining loyal to a club and fan base that have written him off more times than he can count. He’s failing because he’s been one of the key pieces in the worst united squad in 25 years. He’s had some fantastic moments granted but he’s also been massively underwhelming and if we’re all honest with ourselves has not developed into the player we thought he would. Sterling as received far more abuse both at club and a national level and he hasn’t gone hiding, quite the opposite he’s risen to it. I’m not going to sit here and pat players like Lingard on the head because he’s a good lad or “ one of us “. I’m also not going to get excited when he kisses the badge on social media. If he loves the badge then he can fucking prove it where it matters. |
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Post by . on Apr 23, 2019 20:59:05 GMT
Pep has stated his team is no longer 'scared' to come to Old Trafford. I mentioned that about 15 posts back on page 9 of this thread.😂 |
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Apr 23, 2019 21:03:57 GMT
Confirmed squad:
David de Gea, Sergio Romero, Lee Grant, Ashley Young, Matteo Darmian, Diogo Dalot, Chris Smallng, Victor Lindelof, Luke Shaw, Fred, Nemanja Matic, Scott McTominay, Andreas Pereira, Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Juan Mata, Alexis Sanchez, Marcus Rashford, Romelu Lukaku, Anthony Martial
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