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Post by Tatty on May 3, 2019 17:47:08 GMT
Stop changing the goal posts. You said, Wes Brown was the standout after 92. I’ve given more than enough names who represented this club with great distinction. You’re ability to fit a narrative is as admirable as it annoyingly moribund. He was the standout. None of those come close to Wes. Gibson Cleverly were Stoke level players Fletcher was good, as was O’Shea. Would they start in a top team if we are being honest? Not really. That doesn’t take away their contributions Evans didn’t kick on from earlier promise. That wasn’t your point though. I’m done with repetitive repartee. See you in August. |
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Post by jkr on May 3, 2019 17:47:21 GMT
Stop changing the goal posts. You said, Wes Brown was the standout after 92. I’ve given more than enough names who represented this club with great distinction. You’re ability to fit a narrative is as admirable as it annoyingly moribund. He was the standout. None of those come close to Wes. Gibson Cleverly were Stoke level players Fletcher was good, as was O’Shea. Would they start in a top team if we are being honest? Not really. That doesn’t take away their contributions Evans didn’t kick on from earlier promise. At his peak Fletcher would have started for many a top club, never tired and could tackle with the best around. Such a pity he got that illness. Re Wes Brown, injury robbed him of being a real top drawer CB, talent to burn. |
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Post by Karma on May 3, 2019 22:21:20 GMT
He was the standout. None of those come close to Wes. Gibson Cleverly were Stoke level players Fletcher was good, as was O’Shea. Would they start in a top team if we are being honest? Not really. That doesn’t take away their contributions Evans didn’t kick on from earlier promise. At his peak Fletcher would have started for many a top club, never tired and could tackle with the best around. Such a pity he got that illness. Re Wes Brown, injury robbed him of being a real top drawer CB, talent to burn. Fletcher for me wasn’t quite good enough to command a starting place in a great team. Had the squad not been in decline he wouldn’t have started as much as he did. Had he been around now he would have wiped the floor with most of the current competition though. |
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Post by Bestie on May 3, 2019 23:03:37 GMT
At his peak Fletcher would have started for many a top club, never tired and could tackle with the best around. Such a pity he got that illness. Re Wes Brown, injury robbed him of being a real top drawer CB, talent to burn. Fletcher for me wasn’t quite good enough to command a starting place in a great team. Had the squad not been in decline he wouldn’t have started as much as he did. Had he been around now he would have wiped the floor with most of the current competition though. "Team in decline" ... Hat trick of League titles, three European Cup finals in four years and a fourth League title to boot. Leagues we didn't win were by one point and goal difference on the last day. Wish our current 'decline' looked like that.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 23:32:35 GMT
At his peak Fletcher would have started for many a top club, never tired and could tackle with the best around. Such a pity he got that illness. Re Wes Brown, injury robbed him of being a real top drawer CB, talent to burn. Fletcher for me wasn’t quite good enough to command a starting place in a great team. Had the squad not been in decline he wouldn’t have started as much as he did. Had he been around now he would have wiped the floor with most of the current competition though. Christ on a bike. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on May 3, 2019 23:49:55 GMT
Its a shame the ignore function doesn't work when posts are quoted.
Fucking hell.
And to think Ed is called clueless.
Thank god for end of season. And i usually hate this time of year.
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Post by Karma on May 4, 2019 1:47:17 GMT
Fletcher for me wasn’t quite good enough to command a starting place in a great team. Had the squad not been in decline he wouldn’t have started as much as he did. Had he been around now he would have wiped the floor with most of the current competition though. "Team in decline" ... Hat trick of League titles, three European Cup finals in four years and a fourth League title to boot. Leagues we didn't win were by one point and goal difference on the last day. Wish our current 'decline' looked like that. We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. |
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Post by jkr on May 4, 2019 6:19:19 GMT
"Team in decline" ... Hat trick of League titles, three European Cup finals in four years and a fourth League title to boot. Leagues we didn't win were by one point and goal difference on the last day. Wish our current 'decline' looked like that. We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. Revisionist history there, he was suspended for the 09 final btw. |
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Post by Bestie on May 4, 2019 7:58:41 GMT
"Team in decline" ... Hat trick of League titles, three European Cup finals in four years and a fourth League title to boot. Leagues we didn't win were by one point and goal difference on the last day. Wish our current 'decline' looked like that. We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. Fucking hell. We should have been two up against Barca in Rome before they sucker punched us. Fletcher's suspension is widely seen as one of the main reasons we couldn't get a handle on their midfield. We lost 6-1 to city (thanks for bringing that up by the way) because we were down to ten men and went chasing a lost cause. 2011 we weren't as good as Barca, that is the long and short. It was still our third final in four seasons. One team in the competition was better than us. You have come out with some puzzling arguments before; this particular line of revisionism has to be the most ridiculous. |
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Post by caino on May 4, 2019 8:49:06 GMT
"Team in decline" ... Hat trick of League titles, three European Cup finals in four years and a fourth League title to boot. Leagues we didn't win were by one point and goal difference on the last day. Wish our current 'decline' looked like that. We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. that Barcelona team is possibly the best ever club team that's played the game. for a lot of people its their opinion. prime Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi... cant use that stick to beat him with |
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Post by Karma on May 4, 2019 10:26:56 GMT
We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. Fucking hell. We should have been two up against Barca in Rome before they sucker punched us. Fletcher's suspension is widely seen as one of the main reasons we couldn't get a handle on their midfield. We lost 6-1 to city (thanks for bringing that up by the way) because we were down to ten men and went chasing a lost cause. 2011 we weren't as good as Barca, that is the long and short. It was still our third final in four seasons. One team in the competition was better than us. You have come out with some puzzling arguments before; this particular line of revisionism has to be the most ridiculous. But we didn’t and once they got the first goal we were chasing shadows. You shouldn’t be getting thrashed in your own back yard a man down on not. We also had a disasterous CL campaign that season in an easy group. Beaten by Bilbao after dropping in the EL. Beaten by Blackburn at home s well weren’t we? There were here plenty of signs that season that we were in decline. It didnt just just happen when Fergie left. By Fergies standards that 2013 team was a poor one. |
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Post by Karma on May 4, 2019 10:32:52 GMT
We never laid a glove on Barca in 2011 or 2009. Fletcher didn’t start in any of those finals. He also wasn’t one of the reasons we lost the last one. We were nowhere near with or without him. Barca were a team on the rise we were in decline and had been since 2010. The same time Rooney pulled the contract stunt. Fergie wasn’t in a position of strength to boot his arse through the door as he would have probably have liked to do. One of the seasons we lost the league on goal difference City battered us in our own back yard. From 2009 -2013 Fergie managed to eek out the last from a declining squad. What has happened since has pretty much confirmed that. that Barcelona team is possibly the best ever club team that's played the game. for a lot of people its their opinion. prime Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi... cant use that stick to beat him with That doesn’t make my argument that the team had been in decline any less. In fact it strengthens it. It’s not a stick to beat him with it’s a fact unless someone wants to make a valid argument otherwise. In the 2009 season we lost Ronaldo , Tevez and Hargreaves was crocked. 3 key players in a great CL winning team lost. Summer signings were Obertan (who we were mocked by Blanc for buying if I remember) Owen and Valencia. Hardly signings to keep a once great team ticking. |
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Post by caino on May 4, 2019 10:54:52 GMT
that Barcelona team is possibly the best ever club team that's played the game. for a lot of people its their opinion. prime Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi... cant use that stick to beat him with That doesn’t make my argument that the team had been in decline any less. In fact it strengthens it. It’s not a stick to beat him with it’s a fact unless someone wants to make a valid argument otherwise. In the 2009 season we lost Ronaldo , Tevez and Hargreaves was crocked. 3 key players in a great CL winning team lost. Summer signings were Obertan (who we were mocked by Blanc for buying if I remember) Owen and Valencia. Hardly signings to keep a once great team ticking. not quite sure what your getting at. the first point you made was that fletcher wouldn't get in any top team and was over rated ? |
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Post by Stew on May 4, 2019 11:46:11 GMT
What fresh hell is this?
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Post by Kojak on May 4, 2019 12:00:22 GMT
Is this the same Darren Fletcher who absolutely dominated AC Milan twice and was instrumental in numerous European performances during a time when we’d found the perfect formula of how to play in the Champions League? What the fucks going on here man?
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