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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 9:39:57 GMT
Ole is fucked now, we lose against the vermin I can see him out. The amount of shit he's getting this morning is incredible. Shit is like anually groundhog day now. Seems as though everyone is blamimg the manager and nobody else again. Masking the same issues as always. Inexperienced yes and made a few mistakes because of that but ultimately has been dealt a bit of a shit hand. No , we know where the real problem lies after all who thought this was a good appointment in the first place? The Glazers. We have the blind leading the blind. WE know the problems yes, but a large portion of our glorious fanbase seem to be doing an Arsenal and turning into fickle cunts thinking that we're better than we actually are or that we're "entitled" to success when its no longer the case. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2019 9:39:58 GMT
Liked what Henry Winter wrote after the defeat. He seems to be among the few journalists actually calling out the Glazers and Woodward for their failures.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 9:40:24 GMT
Liked what Henry Winter wrote after the defeat. He seems to be among the few journalists actually calling out the Glazers and Woodward for their failures. Read that, just hope it starts catching and its put on notice. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2019 10:35:32 GMT
No , we know where the real problem lies after all who thought this was a good appointment in the first place? The Glazers. We have the blind leading the blind. WE know the problems yes, but a large portion of our glorious fanbase seem to be doing an Arsenal and turning into fickle cunts thinking that we're better than we actually are or that we're "entitled" to success when its no longer the case. Being unhappy about being 2 points above the relegation places isn’t what I call entitled. We have been lowering standards for some time now, nonsense about rebuilding and needing a dozen transfer windows to be capable of beating Rochdale. Not so long ago fans were crying that 2nd was unacceptable. How have we gone from that to accepting this ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 10:49:25 GMT
WE know the problems yes, but a large portion of our glorious fanbase seem to be doing an Arsenal and turning into fickle cunts thinking that we're better than we actually are or that we're "entitled" to success when its no longer the case. Being unhappy about being 2 points above the relegation places isn’t what I call entitled. We have been lowering standards for some time now, nonsense about rebuilding and needing a dozen transfer windows to be capable of beating Rochdale. Not so long ago fans were crying that 2nd was unacceptable. How have we gone from that to accepting this ? You're misunderstanding my point. Being unhappy about being two points from relegation isn't being "entitled", these supporters are the ones calling for his head so quickly because they believe we are entitled to success and that is should come on a plate because of who we are, its no longer the case. Nobody is accepting any of this, we all want it rectified. But the real issues aren't being addressed, they're being masked over which is why we're on manager number 4 in so little time. People seem to think that replacing Ole will solve our problem, I can guarantee it won't, certainly not by itself. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2019 10:55:30 GMT
Being unhappy about being 2 points above the relegation places isn’t what I call entitled. We have been lowering standards for some time now, nonsense about rebuilding and needing a dozen transfer windows to be capable of beating Rochdale. Not so long ago fans were crying that 2nd was unacceptable. How have we gone from that to accepting this ? You're misunderstanding my point. Being unhappy about being two points from relegation isn't being "entitled", these supporters are the ones calling for his head so quickly because they believe we are entitled to success and that is should come on a plate because of who we are, its no longer the case. Nobody is accepting any of this, we all want it rectified. But the real issues aren't being addressed, they're being masked over which is why we're on manager number 4 in so little time. People seem to think that replacing Ole will solve our problem, I can guarantee it won't, certainly not by itself. Who thinks sacking Ole won’t solve all our problems? That doesn't mean he’s not a problem though. Madrid hired 3 managers last season. You make the wrong appointment you do something about it. No big deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:02:06 GMT
You're misunderstanding my point. Being unhappy about being two points from relegation isn't being "entitled", these supporters are the ones calling for his head so quickly because they believe we are entitled to success and that is should come on a plate because of who we are, its no longer the case. Nobody is accepting any of this, we all want it rectified. But the real issues aren't being addressed, they're being masked over which is why we're on manager number 4 in so little time. People seem to think that replacing Ole will solve our problem, I can guarantee it won't, certainly not by itself. Who thinks sacking Ole won’t solve all our problems? That doesn't mean he’s not a problem though. Madrid hired 3 managers last season. You make the wrong appointment you do something about it. No big deal. I've not said he's not part of the problem but he isn't THE problem. The players, coaches, management all have a part to blame but ultimately all have been let down by those above them. All of the problems end up with the same head of the snake. The recruitment has been shite, there are massive failings at board level and have been for years, Fergie could see this. We've sold players and not replaced them. I don't think, I know sacking Ole won't solve our problems because its deeper than that. It's a vicious circle and has been for a few years now. Real also gave Zidane over £300m to spend in this transfer window, in which they bought in top players. Their board realise what was needed and allowed it, ours don't and haven't. Doesn't matter who you put in charge of this squad, yes results may improve for a short space of time but ultimately it will end the same. Until past mistakes are corrected we won't move forward. We are 3/4 down the table, of this isn't a wake up call for those wankers in charge, nothing ever will be. Fuck them off or somebody mow them down then reverse and repeat. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2019 11:07:32 GMT
Who thinks sacking Ole won’t solve all our problems? That doesn't mean he’s not a problem though. Madrid hired 3 managers last season. You make the wrong appointment you do something about it. No big deal. I've not said he's not part of the problem but he isn't THE problem. The players, coaches, management all have a part to blame but ultimately all have been let down by those above them. All of the problems end up with the same head of the snake. The recruitment has been shite, there are massive failings at board level and have been for years, Fergie could see this. We've sold players and not replaced them. I don't think, I know sacking Ole won't solve our problems because its deeper than that. It's a vicious circle and has been for a few years now. Real also gave Zidane over £300m to spend in this transfer window, in which they bought in top players. Their board realise what was needed and allowed it, ours don't and haven't. Doesn't matter who you put in charge of this squad, yes results may improve for a short space of time but ultimately it will end the same. Until past mistakes are corrected we won't move forward. We are 3/4 down the table, of this isn't a wake up call for those wankers in charge, nothing ever will be. Fuck them off or somebody mow them down then reverse and repeat. So we sit tight and hope we don’t get relegated then ? |
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Post by Tinker on Oct 7, 2019 11:09:28 GMT
I think most people recognise that Ole is not THE problem but we're heading for the Championship if we stick with him. In my opinion there is no logic for thinking he can turn it around or we should give him longer. He's been nothing short of a disaster since being appointed permanent manager and I am convinced a top manager would not have us hovering above the relegation zone with this crop of players. Sure we need to rebuild but it's not unreasonable to expect a team, which cost several hundred million, to be at least top half of the table.
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Post by kstandhand on Oct 7, 2019 11:13:53 GMT
Who thinks sacking Ole won’t solve all our problems? That doesn't mean he’s not a problem though. Madrid hired 3 managers last season. You make the wrong appointment you do something about it. No big deal. I've not said he's not part of the problem but he isn't THE problem. The players, coaches, management all have a part to blame but ultimately all have been let down by those above them. All of the problems end up with the same head of the snake. The recruitment has been shite, there are massive failings at board level and have been for years, Fergie could see this. We've sold players and not replaced them. I don't think, I know sacking Ole won't solve our problems because its deeper than that. It's a vicious circle and has been for a few years now. Real also gave Zidane over £300m to spend in this transfer window, in which they bought in top players. Their board realise what was needed and allowed it, ours don't and haven't. Doesn't matter who you put in charge of this squad, yes results may improve for a short space of time but ultimately it will end the same. Until past mistakes are corrected we won't move forward. We are 3/4 down the table, of this isn't a wake up call for those wankers in charge, nothing ever will be. Fuck them off or somebody mow them down then reverse and repeat. Regrettably we are,were we are with the Glazers & Woodward. An immediate change of manager is needed,Ole obviously can't polish a turd,we need someone more capable of polishing turds than him. If we stick with Ole we are in very serious danger of being relegated. You only had to see DDG's interview after the game to see how low the players are & if nothing else,we need the bump start that a new manager generally gives a group of players,looking at the run of games we have,i doubt Ole is capable of picking up a single point from the next 4 or 5 league games. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:17:28 GMT
I've not said he's not part of the problem but he isn't THE problem. The players, coaches, management all have a part to blame but ultimately all have been let down by those above them. All of the problems end up with the same head of the snake. The recruitment has been shite, there are massive failings at board level and have been for years, Fergie could see this. We've sold players and not replaced them. I don't think, I know sacking Ole won't solve our problems because its deeper than that. It's a vicious circle and has been for a few years now. Real also gave Zidane over £300m to spend in this transfer window, in which they bought in top players. Their board realise what was needed and allowed it, ours don't and haven't. Doesn't matter who you put in charge of this squad, yes results may improve for a short space of time but ultimately it will end the same. Until past mistakes are corrected we won't move forward. We are 3/4 down the table, of this isn't a wake up call for those wankers in charge, nothing ever will be. Fuck them off or somebody mow them down then reverse and repeat. So we sit tight and hope we don’t get relegated then ? Where have I said we do that? Do you disect certain parts of posts to come to certain conclusions? I've said until past mistakes are corrected then we won't move forward. That is sincere st the board aswell as those below it. We sack Ole now with backing him in Jan and we'll be looking for a new manager in the summer. Sacking Ole will not fix what needs to be fixed. You used Real as an example, their manager was massively backed in the summer, if we want to turn things around like they are then we have to do the same and back our own manager. The squad needs investment and urgently. Last time I checked Ole wasn't in charge of doing that. He's making mistakes I'll admit but he's rowing up a river with a wooden spoon at the moment with what he has at his disposal. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2019 11:48:21 GMT
So we sit tight and hope we don’t get relegated then ? Where have I said we do that? Do you disect certain parts of posts to come to certain conclusions? I've said until past mistakes are corrected then we won't move forward. That is sincere st the board aswell as those below it. We sack Ole now with backing him in Jan and we'll be looking for a new manager in the summer. Sacking Ole will not fix what needs to be fixed. You used Real as an example, their manager was massively backed in the summer, if we want to turn things around like they are then we have to do the same and back our own manager. The squad needs investment and urgently. Last time I checked Ole wasn't in charge of doing that. He's making mistakes I'll admit but he's rowing up a river with a wooden spoon at the moment with what he has at his disposal. Zidane has won 3 CL trophies already. What does Solskjaer have on his CV to suggest he can turn this around? His CV has his only PL experience elsewhere as relegation. How much did Leicester spend last summer? They have finished above us once since they got promoted but they look miles ahead of us. Silva spent 200 million at Everton but it won’t make him a better manager than he is. Sometimes you have to admit you’ve hired the wrong manager. |
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Post by . on Oct 7, 2019 11:51:54 GMT
NEWCASTLE, England -- It is a thought most Manchester United fans would never imagine, especially during the trophy-laden glory years of Sir Alex Ferguson, but after losing 1-0 to Matthew Longstaff's goal at Newcastle United on Sunday, the nightmare scenario of a relegation battle cannot be ruled out.
While Liverpool have surged eight points clear of champions Manchester City at the top of the Premier League table with eight wins from eight games, United are languishing in 12th position, just two points above the bottom three after their third league defeat. They have won only twice and scored just nine times; four of those goals came in one game on the opening weekend against Chelsea.
If this was any other club, alarm bells would be ringing ahead of a long struggle for survival. And with barely a quarter of the campaign gone, it would be foolish to suggest that United will find themselves locked in a battle against the drop between now and next May.
When you consider both the short- and long-term form slide suffered by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's team, though, there are few positives. Since a remarkable 3-1 Champions League victory against Paris Saint Germain in March, United have not won a single away game in any competition.
And since that famous victory at Parc des Princes, United have the third-worst record among teams that played in the Premier League this season and last. They have taken just 17 points from 17 games since, and now, in the first week of October, succumbed to a Newcastle team that began the game in 19th, with just five points and who were beaten 5-0 at Leicester last Sunday.
To place Solskjaer's woeful run into context, his predecessor Jose Mourinho was sacked last December after collecting 26 points from 17 games.
The word from within Old Trafford is that the Glazer family are determined to stand by their manager as he attempts to rebuild the club's squad. United's owners, who bore the brunt of hostile chants from supporters at St James' Park, persisted with David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho long after it became clear those managers had lost the plot, so Solskjkaer may be safe for a while yet.
But one point per game from the equivalent of half a season is relegation form, plain and simple. Clearly, United are one of the richest clubs in the world and so possess the financial muscle to make changes in January when the transfer window reopens.
Where will this team be by that stage? Liverpool visit Old Trafford next, with a difficult trip to Norwich immediately afterward for Solskjaer and Co. If United lose at Carrow Road, it will be impossible to find reason to argue against a battle for survival.
It could be argued that one big reason for the current woes is Solskjaer's failure to sign a replacement for Romelu Lukaku or Alexis Sanchez, both of whom were shipped off to Inter during the summer transfer window. Moreover, at Newcastle, the starting XI was shorn of first-team regulars such as Victor Lindelof, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Luke Shaw, Jesse Lingard, Anthony Martial and Paul Pogba due to injury.
When those players are fit and available, United will be much stronger. But if their squad is so shallow that it cannot cope with the loss of five players -- none of whom could be classed as a world-class game-changer -- then it does not bode well for a long season that also involves the distraction of Thursday football in the Europa League.
Of those who have been available, Marcus Rashford has become a non-scoring striker, Juan Mata is no longer capable of making an impact at this level and Brazil international Fred is repeatedly anonymous in midfield.
As manager, Solskjaer must find a way to make his squad perform better and come up with a tactical plan that creates and converts chances in front of goal. If he survives in the job, he also needs to inject some fight into a team that is too timid and lacking the ability to respond to setbacks.
Despite this latest setback, Solskjaer insisted that his players possess the right spirit.
"We have started a rebuild, so this is not a similar situation to Everton (last season, lost 4-0), where I felt some had given up," he said. "These boys haven't given up. They have given everything for the shirt.
"But it's where we are at the moment. We don't create enough chances to deserve to win a game of football. I couldn't see that (performance) coming before the game. Ball seemed like a hot potato; it was bouncing off our feet."
With two whole weeks until his side's next game, United's manager pledged to examine what has gone wrong, before Liverpool come to town.
"Luckily for us it's now the international break," Solskjaer said. "We get time to evaluate what's gone on over these eight games. But it's my responsibility. I need to sort their heads out. Young boys lacking confidence; they need some help from experienced players and staff."
Solskjaer also looks like he needs help, but will he get it and will it come in time? The reality of Manchester United is that there are more questions than answers.
MARK OGDEN ESPN
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Post by . on Oct 7, 2019 12:23:35 GMT
You're misunderstanding my point. Being unhappy about being two points from relegation isn't being "entitled", these supporters are the ones calling for his head so quickly because they believe we are entitled to success and that is should come on a plate because of who we are, its no longer the case. Nobody is accepting any of this, we all want it rectified. But the real issues aren't being addressed, they're being masked over which is why we're on manager number 4 in so little time. People seem to think that replacing Ole will solve our problem, I can guarantee it won't, certainly not by itself. Who thinks sacking Ole won’t solve all our problems? That doesn't mean he’s not a problem though. Madrid hired 3 managers last season. You make the wrong appointment you do something about it. No big deal. It's the structure and the constant changing without any longer term vision and the chaos in recruiting. Ole was another poor appointment at a difficult time 23 games now since he was appointed full time manager and his record is appalling. It was appalling at Cardiff in the PL and the start of the Championship too and he has done nothing relevant top this level at Molde It was bad under the previous three managers, but at least with Van Gaal and Mourinho in the first 2 seasons there was some competing. You have a CEO, who won't recruit a senior DOF and owners who just sit there taking from the club. Woodward keeps reacting every year or two, appointing another manager with completely disparate style, time horizon and demands of players and recruitment. Unless the Glazers insist on bringing in an executive with football experience to work with him and executing a longer term plan, then nothing will change. Allegri and Pochettino will both be available for next season and they are coaches that can change things and top young players will want to work with. It's all semantics though, unless they take a leaf out of City's book and change the structure to appoint someone who can improve the way the club is run longer term |
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Post by . on Oct 7, 2019 12:26:43 GMT
NEWCASTLE, England -- It is a thought most Manchester United fans would never imagine, especially during the trophy-laden glory years of Sir Alex Ferguson, but after losing 1-0 to Matthew Longstaff's goal at Newcastle United on Sunday, the nightmare scenario of a relegation battle cannot be ruled out. While Liverpool have surged eight points clear of champions Manchester City at the top of the Premier League table with eight wins from eight games, United are languishing in 12th position, just two points above the bottom three after their third league defeat. They have won only twice and scored just nine times; four of those goals came in one game on the opening weekend against Chelsea. If this was any other club, alarm bells would be ringing ahead of a long struggle for survival. And with barely a quarter of the campaign gone, it would be foolish to suggest that United will find themselves locked in a battle against the drop between now and next May. When you consider both the short- and long-term form slide suffered by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's team, though, there are few positives. Since a remarkable 3-1 Champions League victory against Paris Saint Germain in March, United have not won a single away game in any competition. And since that famous victory at Parc des Princes, United have the third-worst record among teams that played in the Premier League this season and last. They have taken just 17 points from 17 games since, and now, in the first week of October, succumbed to a Newcastle team that began the game in 19th, with just five points and who were beaten 5-0 at Leicester last Sunday. To place Solskjaer's woeful run into context, his predecessor Jose Mourinho was sacked last December after collecting 26 points from 17 games. The word from within Old Trafford is that the Glazer family are determined to stand by their manager as he attempts to rebuild the club's squad. United's owners, who bore the brunt of hostile chants from supporters at St James' Park, persisted with David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho long after it became clear those managers had lost the plot, so Solskjkaer may be safe for a while yet. But one point per game from the equivalent of half a season is relegation form, plain and simple. Clearly, United are one of the richest clubs in the world and so possess the financial muscle to make changes in January when the transfer window reopens. Where will this team be by that stage? Liverpool visit Old Trafford next, with a difficult trip to Norwich immediately afterward for Solskjaer and Co. If United lose at Carrow Road, it will be impossible to find reason to argue against a battle for survival. It could be argued that one big reason for the current woes is Solskjaer's failure to sign a replacement for Romelu Lukaku or Alexis Sanchez, both of whom were shipped off to Inter during the summer transfer window. Moreover, at Newcastle, the starting XI was shorn of first-team regulars such as Victor Lindelof, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Luke Shaw, Jesse Lingard, Anthony Martial and Paul Pogba due to injury. When those players are fit and available, United will be much stronger. But if their squad is so shallow that it cannot cope with the loss of five players -- none of whom could be classed as a world-class game-changer -- then it does not bode well for a long season that also involves the distraction of Thursday football in the Europa League. Of those who have been available, Marcus Rashford has become a non-scoring striker, Juan Mata is no longer capable of making an impact at this level and Brazil international Fred is repeatedly anonymous in midfield. As manager, Solskjaer must find a way to make his squad perform better and come up with a tactical plan that creates and converts chances in front of goal. If he survives in the job, he also needs to inject some fight into a team that is too timid and lacking the ability to respond to setbacks. Despite this latest setback, Solskjaer insisted that his players possess the right spirit. "We have started a rebuild, so this is not a similar situation to Everton (last season, lost 4-0), where I felt some had given up," he said. "These boys haven't given up. They have given everything for the shirt. "But it's where we are at the moment. We don't create enough chances to deserve to win a game of football. I couldn't see that (performance) coming before the game. Ball seemed like a hot potato; it was bouncing off our feet." With two whole weeks until his side's next game, United's manager pledged to examine what has gone wrong, before Liverpool come to town. "Luckily for us it's now the international break," Solskjaer said. "We get time to evaluate what's gone on over these eight games. But it's my responsibility. I need to sort their heads out. Young boys lacking confidence; they need some help from experienced players and staff." Solskjaer also looks like he needs help, but will he get it and will it come in time? The reality of Manchester United is that there are more questions than answers. MARK OGDEN ESPN The usual from that guy.. stating the bleeding obvious and not saying much in a long article |
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