vs. Watford (A) Premier League - Sunday 22/12/19 14:00 GMT

[oscared]

Everyone makes mistakes but we have players making the same ones over long periods so is the coaching at fault? why cant we get things put right?

I said on page one before the game not to expect anything and you wont be dissapointed, we all love Ole but the time has come re think this, we either get him some additional top coaching help or sack him, the club needs to change going into 2020.

[kstandhand]

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

The responsibility & blame lies firmly at Ole's door,Watford are statistically the worst ever premiership side at this point in the season,that was the most inept performance of his tenure as manager.

#OleOut

[Carbon]

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

I don't recall anyone being on the touchline going tits about the lack of effort, we also somehow got worse after half time so I'd like to know what level of tomfoolerly went on in the dressing room.

[ratbag]

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

Do you think we would have seen that lack of effort if Fergie was in charge? I don't...

[kstandhand]

Dec 23, 2019 9:28:55 GMT ratbag said:

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

Do you think we would have seen that lack of effort if Fergie was in charge? I don't...

Fergie would also not have been trying to make a few light hearted comments in the post match prezzer either

[Rustin Cohle]

www.football365.com/news/man-utd-cannot-close-case-while-pochettino-remains-open

Man Utd cannot close case while Pochettino remains ‘open’

SPOILER: Click to show

Six points from Tottenham and Manchester City; one from Everton and Watford. The Manchester United maze is inescapable, interminable and inexplicable.

When they drew with Everton last weekend, their points tally against the Premier League’s bottom half stood at nine points. It was the lowest of any top-half side by six, half of Arsenal’s total.

That number, despite defeat to Watford, is now ten. But that is a reflection only of the Gunners’ own descent to 11th than United’s into a similar abyss.

Arsenal have at least taken measures to prevent further embarrassment and enact actual change. United have done the opposite. They are committed to this, determined to justify it through sources claiming that Old Trafford has ‘never been happier’, legitimising it with vague and meaningless platitudes such as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer having restored the club’s culture.

They are happy to fuel the propaganda.

They are content with having as many points as – and fewer wins than – Steve Bruce’s Newcastle after 18 games, it seems.

They are also satisfied to continue pretending Paul Pogba needs them more than they need him. “I hope that I don’t have to use him, but I hope I can use him,” said Solskjaer earlier this week. The Frenchman created more chances in 27 minutes than Jesse Lingard in 63, and no player had more shots on target for either side.

Without him, this would have been an absolute humbling. His cameo was a sliver of silver to line the darkest of clouds.

The only question is how bad things must get for Solskjaer’s position to come under genuine threat. Would a maximum of two points from Newcastle and Burnley be too drastic to be countered by inevitable wins across three competitions against Arsenal, Wolves and Manchester City in the new year? If United finished in their current position and continued to unrelentingly back the manager would David Moyes have a case for retrospectively unfair dismissal?

The only thing the Norwegian has done is establish mediocrity over meritocracy. Watford had not led a Premier League game at home since April 2; they won this by two goals and were themselves somewhere close to average. They had won one of their last 21 league games. Nigel Pearson had not managed a Premier League victory since May 2015; he comfortably out-coached his adversary.

But that is the path United have chosen: where the one-dimensional, brash, limited 56-year-old manager of the Premier League’s bottom club is better at and more suited to his job than the one in charge of one of the world’s biggest.

While the door to Mauricio Pochettino remains “open”, United cannot possibly consider the case of Solskjaer closed. It is time for pride to be swallowed and alternative routes out of this maze to be explored. If not now, then when?

[Kojak]

Harry Maguire giving it “David is a top keeper. I have only been here a few months but he is a world class keeper. We will get round him and on Boxing Day I am sure he will pull off a top save”

Aye he’ll fucking need to with you in front of him you gormless cunt.

Newcastle will sit in, we’ll create absolutely nothing, they’ll sting us for 1-0 and at best we’ll take a draw out of it. Rinse. Repeat.

[oscared]

De Gea is a great shot stopper, unfortunately he's not great in the other areas and needs coaching.

[Rustin Cohle]

Dec 23, 2019 10:00:37 GMT Kojak said:

Harry Maguire giving it “David is a top keeper. I have only been here a few months but he is a world class keeper. We will get round him and on Boxing Day I am sure he will pull off a top save”

Aye he’ll fucking need to with you in front of him you gormless cunt.

Newcastle will sit in, we’ll create absolutely nothing, they’ll sting us for 1-0 and at best we’ll take a draw out of it. Rinse. Repeat.

This made me piss myself laughing at my desk, now people are looking at me funny.

[Pixel]

Dec 23, 2019 9:17:58 GMT kstandhand said:

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

The responsibility & blame lies firmly at Ole's door,Watford are statistically the worst ever premiership side at this point in the season,that was the most inept performance of his tenure as manager.

#OleOut

Oh look the fucking hashtag brigade is back fml

Save it for twitter

[Karma]

I was never on the Maguire train but I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s made to look.

He must seriously be regretting coming here.

[redcase]

Dec 23, 2019 9:21:12 GMT Carbon said:

Dec 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT redcase said:

I can't blame Ole for last night. There was no effort from the players on the pitch and there's nothing Ole can do about that. Yes he's tactically not good enough at times, but he cannot be held responsible for those wankers slacking off.

I don't recall anyone being on the touchline going tits about the lack of effort, we also somehow got worse after half time so I'd like to know what level of tomfoolerly went on in the dressing room.

That's actually a very valid point I hadn't considered, but tell me this, do this generation of players respond to a kick up the arse? Most of these cunts kick up a fuss when the manager treats them a bit tougher than usual. I would absolutely love a manager to go native on some of these soft cunts but that's the issue - these soft cunts would not respond to that.

[Carbon]

Dec 23, 2019 11:39:05 GMT redcase said:

Dec 23, 2019 9:21:12 GMT Carbon said:

I don't recall anyone being on the touchline going tits about the lack of effort, we also somehow got worse after half time so I'd like to know what level of tomfoolerly went on in the dressing room.

That's actually a very valid point I hadn't considered, but tell me this, do this generation of players respond to a kick up the arse? Most of these cunts kick up a fuss when the manager treats them a bit tougher than usual. I would absolutely love a manager to go native on some of these soft cunts but that's the issue - these soft cunts would not respond to that.

I agree, they probably wouldn't respond to a kick up the arse however from what I'm seeing during game day they have no reason to be looking over at the bench nervously if they fuck up.

[redcase]

Dec 23, 2019 11:42:44 GMT Carbon said:

Dec 23, 2019 11:39:05 GMT redcase said:

That's actually a very valid point I hadn't considered, but tell me this, do this generation of players respond to a kick up the arse? Most of these cunts kick up a fuss when the manager treats them a bit tougher than usual. I would absolutely love a manager to go native on some of these soft cunts but that's the issue - these soft cunts would not respond to that.

I agree, they probably wouldn't respond to a kick up the arse however from what I'm seeing during game day they have no reason to be looking over at the bench nervously if they fuck up.

That's because they have no competition on the bench imo. They're on fat fucking salaries with nobody else in the team who can challenge them for a squad place. If they have that fear that they'll lose out on first team football, they'll be self motivated.

[kstandhand]

Dec 23, 2019 10:51:21 GMT Pixel said:

Dec 23, 2019 9:17:58 GMT kstandhand said:

The responsibility & blame lies firmly at Ole's door,Watford are statistically the worst ever premiership side at this point in the season,that was the most inept performance of his tenure as manager.

#OleOut

Oh look the fucking hashtag brigade is back fml

Save it for twitter

never been away #OleOut