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Post by redcase on Oct 28, 2021 12:57:57 GMT
me (29) and my missus (25) both had covid when she was 32 weeks pregnant. both unvaccinated and we are all okay. it felt to me as if i had a really bad hangover. i had food poisoning a few weeks later and that was a hell of a lot worse. i've had colds and flu that was worse than covid. this isnt to say i dont think its dangerous because i really wouldnt want me eldery nanna and imunnocompromised sister and dad to have it. i was 29 at the time of having covid and fairly fit and healthy as i regularly train. personally more afraid of the side effects from the vaccine. i am not against having it, i just want more information etc before making the decision. hopefully there will be other treatments etc out to control it soon but i wont be coerced into having it to attend places, etc. and i sure dont want booster jab after booster jab followed by the flu jab etc. I agree. One of the FDA voting board members just said verbatim regarding kids and vaccines “we are never going to learn how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it.” Crazy stuff If you're posting verbatim, why post only one line from his entire discourse? May as well post the whole thing? "Eric Rubin, who is a professor at Harvard University and also editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (with key parts bolded):
This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients. …
It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.
But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it."What you've done, i.e. taking one line from 2 paragraphs is exactly what Tucker Carlson is doing. We don't need to be doing that. If we're about transparency in information, don't do yourself and everyone else a disservice by cherry picking what information suits you best. This is the article. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/ |
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 28, 2021 13:15:47 GMT
I agree. One of the FDA voting board members just said verbatim regarding kids and vaccines “we are never going to learn how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it.” Crazy stuff If you're posting verbatim, why post only one line from his entire discourse? May as well post the whole thing? "Eric Rubin, who is a professor at Harvard University and also editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (with key parts bolded):
This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients. …
It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.
But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it."What you've done, i.e. taking one line from 2 paragraphs is exactly what Tucker Carlson is doing. We don't need to be doing that. If we're about transparency in information, don't do yourself and everyone else a disservice by cherry picking what information suits you best. This is the article. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/Yeah that doesn’t change anything? I’m not saying their monsters but to mandate without knowing long term affects is not ethical. And they may not be all pushing for mandates but some areas of the states are. And no I don’t listen to Tucker Carlson but thanks for jumping to conclusions. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 28, 2021 13:28:00 GMT
If you're posting verbatim, why post only one line from his entire discourse? May as well post the whole thing? "Eric Rubin, who is a professor at Harvard University and also editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (with key parts bolded):
This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients. …
It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.
But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it."What you've done, i.e. taking one line from 2 paragraphs is exactly what Tucker Carlson is doing. We don't need to be doing that. If we're about transparency in information, don't do yourself and everyone else a disservice by cherry picking what information suits you best. This is the article. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/Yeah that doesn’t change anything? I’m not saying their monsters but to mandate without knowing long term affects is not ethical. And they may not be all pushing for mandates but some areas of the states are. And no I don’t listen to Tucker Carlson but thanks for jumping to conclusions. It changes everything my man - because the guy says we should vote to approve it because the data shows its pretty safe. He retains the aspect of choice for the end user, while advocating for administering it. Correct me if I'm wrong, you've called it "crazy" that they've voted to administer it to kids, which patently isn't the overlying sentiment of the man's discourse. Maybe unwittingly, but you've given it that slant by eliminating important context. It's not at all crazy that they're advocating giving it to kids. Everyone who refuses the vaccine says they want information - so okay, take the entire information then, not bits and pieces. And lol, I didn't call you Tucker Carlson - I merely said he's doing the same thing, spreading misinformation by putting out quotes without context into the airwaves. Why do you guys always get so touchy about this stuff? You didn't post the entire information so I did. Peace. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 28, 2021 13:36:05 GMT
If you're posting verbatim, why post only one line from his entire discourse? May as well post the whole thing? "Eric Rubin, who is a professor at Harvard University and also editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (with key parts bolded):
This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients. …
It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.
But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it."What you've done, i.e. taking one line from 2 paragraphs is exactly what Tucker Carlson is doing. We don't need to be doing that. If we're about transparency in information, don't do yourself and everyone else a disservice by cherry picking what information suits you best. This is the article. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/Yeah that doesn’t change anything? I’m not saying their monsters but to mandate without knowing long term affects is not ethical. And they may not be all pushing for mandates but some areas of the states are. And no I don’t listen to Tucker Carlson but thanks for jumping to conclusions. Also, Edward Jenner administered the smallpox vaccine to people without really knowing what it would do by today's standards. He saved millions of lives by doing so. My personal opinion - when the death toll stands in the millions, there isn't much time for ethics. I'd like to dot all i's and cross all t's but there isn't the time. Either we come out of this pandemic or we stay in it. And vaccination is a massive reason why we are seeing dramatic improvement in this scenario. |
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 28, 2021 13:50:54 GMT
Yes it is crazy. It is crazy because they don’t know long term effects, admittedly, and such a shocking low number of children have difficulty with the virus. Why would you risk tens of millions of children’s development?
It’s all a risk game. I’m ok with the risk of the virus and having natural immunity and you’re ok with the risk of the vaccine. I wouldn’t expect all people to manage their own risk identically.
And making anytime an acceptable time to throw away ethics is a dangerous game.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 28, 2021 13:56:32 GMT
I was worried about getting mine initially, not for any particular reason though, I have no health conditions or anything like that. Keep myself fit and everything. I decided to get my first one in the end because our ma’ was working on the COVID ward and all the younger fellas on there struggling were unvaxed. I’ll preface this by saying I would never tell anyone or encourage anyone not to get the vaccine. It’s personal choice obviously, make your own mind up, but in general it’s obviously a good thing. However in my case, it has fucked me up. Few days after I got it, I started getting what I thought were spells of dizziness. The doctor I saw first thought it was a reoccurrence of Labyrinthitis. Turned out it was more light headedness than dizziness. Basically everything just goes mental like a head rush. Sometimes short random intervals, sometimes really long spells of things being shaky. In the end it makes you travel sick. I’m now 8 weeks out from having had the first one. I had to have an ECG last week which fortunately came back fine. The doctors haven’t a clue what’s wrong, what’s caused it or how to fix it. The guy I saw on Tuesday pretty much said at least it’s manageable and you’re not dead. Even typing this right now, my head is farting. My point is, although I’ve not told anyone not to get it, plenty of people will have been put off by first hand stories like mine. Not everyone who opts out is a fucking moron. Some people are just scared. So I’m now 11 weeks post vaccine and still no better. I think it might be more closely related to vertigo and there’s a lot of other people out there experiencing similar effects to mine. Most of them were incorrectly diagnosed with labyrinthitis as well. Still very much hoping it’s a temporary thing, it’s seems like most people’s effects wear off over time although I’ve not seen many who have experienced them for as long as I have. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 28, 2021 14:10:53 GMT
Yes it is crazy. It is crazy because they don’t know long term effects, admittedly, and such a shocking low number of children have difficulty with the virus. Why would you risk tens of millions of children’s development? It’s all a risk game. I’m ok with the risk of the virus and having natural immunity and you’re ok with the risk of the vaccine. I wouldn’t expect all people to manage their own risk identically. And making anytime an acceptable time to throw away ethics is a dangerous game. The risk you speak of is minuscule, kids are in a lot more danger being in a car than from getting this vaccine - would you stop kids from getting in a car? More people die from gun violence than even remotely close than from getting a vaccine - America sells even more guns today than before, is it ethical that they allow this? It isn't right that we automatically assume kids will be negatively affected by administering them a vaccine, because data shows otherwise. Texas opened their schools too early and we saw what happened, teachers have died due to covid. Once again, I am not denying your right to question, I'm giving you my opinion. As I said about ethics, there are many supremely unethical things happening in America and the world - this vaccine approval for kids is the least among them. I'll say it isn't unethical at all. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 28, 2021 14:23:08 GMT
This isn't Aimed at anybody, but when I see people saying we don't know what the long term side effects are of the vaccine we need more info, yet It doesn't stop most people from smoking or drinking in which we do know what the long term side effects are from those.
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 28, 2021 14:47:34 GMT
These arguments are apples to oranges. Are you a parent? Are you really comparing giving an mRNA vaccine with unknown long term physiological and genetic effects to children in their most important developmental years to driving my kids in a vehicle whilst in a children’s car seat?
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Post by Tatty on Oct 28, 2021 15:33:42 GMT
Lads, people have or haven't got the vaccine using the same info. It's called informed consent. You'll tie yourself in knots doing the mental gymnastics, trying to convince people one way or the other.
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Post by Tatty on Dec 9, 2021 11:43:26 GMT
It's new variant day. Again!
All this nonsense over a variant that looks like it's no worse, and in fact, milder than Delta, just more transmittable. You'd almost be forgiven for thinking these new measures were to steal column inches from the parties at Number 10, last year and Boris breaking electoral law...
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Post by Kojak on Dec 9, 2021 13:48:55 GMT
It's new variant day. Again! All this nonsense over a variant that looks like it's no worse, and in fact, milder than Delta, just more transmittable. You'd almost be forgiven for thinking these new measures were to steal column inches from the parties at Number 10, last year and Boris breaking electoral law... He then got home from that briefing last night and shovelled vindaloo down his bird’s neck until she popped the kid out. More inches stolen. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Dec 9, 2021 14:18:39 GMT
Also, keep in mind that a virus isn’t alive, and it depends on the host staying alive to keep existing. In other words, it might be evolutionarily advantageous for a virus to become more transmissible, but less deadly, over time. Nobody is really sure where it’s heading. Let's hope the early clinical results on Omicron hold course, and due to its supersonic transmissibility it becomes the dominant variant globally. |
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Post by aussiegraham on Dec 10, 2021 5:49:35 GMT
What I struggle to understand is that with any living entity, the objective is to thrive and multiply. So surely, if a virus consistently kills its host, that’s not to its advantage? (unless of course, like some nasties, the first host is just a stepping stone to the next, e.g when it dies, is eaten and the cycle proceeds).
So therefore, doesn’t it makes sense in Covid’s case for it to tone down its effects on its host to lower the death rate and allow its future development and existence?
If so, the new variant could be just that?
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Post by Tatty on Dec 11, 2021 18:32:08 GMT
Booster booked! Can’t wait for that 6G capability!
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