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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:30:39 GMT
FWIW I don’t think Ole is necessarily the right man for the job but to flip that I also don’t think he deserves to lose his job. The comparison to Moyes that the deluded prick peddled the other day and some clearly bought is utter nonsense. During his season there was zero progression, zero reasons to be optimistic and he inherited a much better position.
Even the most hardened #Oleout guys would’ve been hard pushed to say they weren’t feeling pretty good a few weeks ago before the batteries ran out. We looked like we were finally getting somewhere.
A better comparison would be LVG’s first season. Where we had that really good run that made everyone think we could do something the season after. Even though we faded towards the end, much like what’s happening now. Nobody was calling for Louis’ head at that point.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 23, 2020 9:51:30 GMT
FWIW I don’t think Ole is necessarily the right man for the job but to flip that I also don’t think he deserves to lose his job. The comparison to Moyes that the deluded prick peddled the other day and some clearly bought is utter nonsense. During his season there was zero progression, zero reasons to be optimistic and he inherited a much better position. Even the most hardened #Oleout guys would’ve been hard pushed to say they weren’t feeling pretty good a few weeks ago before the batteries ran out. We looked like we were finally getting somewhere. A better comparison would be LVG’s first season. Where we had that really good run that made everyone think we could do something the season after. Even though we faded towards the end, much like what’s happening now. Nobody was calling for Louis’ head at that point. Moyes and Ole are similar only is so far as neither is good enough, probably. Moyes definitely never was. Ole, we'll see. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 23, 2020 9:51:46 GMT
I'll rephrase it for you then in a manner that is more acceptable ;Is largely accepted that Mr Solkesjaer is not anywhere near remotely qualified to manage a club of the magnitude such of Manchester United,but will always hold 'Legendary' status within the fan base. Mr Solkesjaer was appointed at time when Mr Woodward felt most vulnerable to the negative impact poor performances where starting to have on the financial side of the business,whilst the team was under the guidance of Mr Mourinho It was also anticipated that by appointing Mr Solkesjaer,that this would also have neutralising affect on a large section of vocal support & that this would quell the dissent unfairly aimed at Mr Woodward & the Glazer family. It is acknowledged that Mr Solkesjaer does not have the skill sets or qualifications for the job & should do the honourable thing & stand down from his position at club with immediate affect. It is hoped that Mr Woodward & Mr Solkesjaer can agree an exceeding modest severance package & that Mr Solkesjaer will be formally thanked for all efforts to try & halt the slide of this once great club, thous retaining his 'Legendary' status amongst the fan base before he departs back to ply his trade once more in the pub league from whence he came. None of the above is acceptable. Thank you. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:24 GMT
In all honesty, I thought Martial and Mason were both still decent, it was Pogba/Matic/Rashford/Bruno having shockers which really fucked things up. Ole's inability to get them going and inject a bit of urgency is a bit worrying as well. Hopefully with 72 hours rest, possibly Shaw back, and the fact that it's a massive game, they'll be much more up for it and we'll see more of what we saw a few games back. They were stopped them from playing,it's a fairly basic tactic & one that we should have been able to counter,we couldn't for most of the game. |
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Post by caino on Jul 23, 2020 10:20:59 GMT
Ole has shown he hasn’t the ability to make the correct subs to win and see games out.
We still don’t have a system of playing. We struggle against teams that sit and struggle against teams that press. We have scored some cracking goals I must say. But as soon Bruno looks off we don’t have an answer.
I’ve also seen zero improvement in the signings he’s made and the overall quality of the squad. There is the exceptions but generally the players he’s took over haven’t improved under his coaching.
Plus how can you manage and motivate a team sat smiling in his chair. I’ve not seen one top manager do that. Every single one of them are directing their team shouting instructions
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Post by ratbag on Jul 23, 2020 10:21:18 GMT
Just for clarification if anyone cares, I was agreeing with the comments/ hate for Woodward and the Glazers. For the record I will always appreciate Ole and love him for what he did as a player for the club but I cannot accept that he is a good enough manager for United. I suspect that somewhere deep inside Ole knows this too.
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Post by Karma on Jul 23, 2020 10:23:23 GMT
We struggle against teams that press us or put 10 men behind the ball.
We rely on individuals to make something happen.
Bruno struggles-we struggle
Strange line ups
Strange subs
Reacting too slowly when we can all see what’s going wrong.
That line up against Chelsea was a half arsed shot at a semi final and it backfired. We then went into the next game with our heads down.
We shouldn’t be struggling against a poor Moyes team at home.
A horrific August-January left us with little wriggle room. That’s on Solskjaer.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 23, 2020 10:33:22 GMT
Ole has shown he hasn’t the ability to make the correct subs to win and see games out. We still don’t have a system of playing. We struggle against teams that sit and struggle against teams that press. We have scored some cracking goals I must say. But as soon Bruno looks off we don’t have an answer. I’ve also seen zero improvement in the signings he’s made and the overall quality of the squad. There is the exceptions but generally the players he’s took over haven’t improved under his coaching. Plus how can you manage and motivate a team sat smiling in his chair. I’ve not seen one top manager do that. Every single one of them are directing their team shouting instructions Martial has looked much better under Ole. Happier/more confident, anyway, and happy strikers tend to score more. Which he has. Ole also seems to have convinced Rashford that Rashford's best position is wide left rather than spearhead striker. Which is excellent. I have many criticisms of Ole but he deserves credit where it's due. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 10:39:59 GMT
Just for clarification if anyone cares, I was agreeing with the comments/ hate for Woodward and the Glazers. For the record I will always appreciate Ole and love him for what he did as a player for the club but I cannot accept that he is a good enough manager for United. I suspect that somewhere deep inside Ole knows this too. If you have a manager that you’re unsure of you have literally 3 choices- 1. Fire him. 2. Lower expectations to a point which would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. 3. Give him as much support as you can with elite coaches, scouts and above all players. The likes of Real did this with Zidane and Chelsea are now doing it with Lampard, signing 3 outstanding players for him. It’s pretty obvious Woodward has decided on number 2. Which of course is the worst option of the 3. And if you were cynical (or if you had a passing interest in the Glazers) you might come to the conclusion that a former legend greatly helps that as it means the crowd will take far longer to turn than normally would be the case. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 10:41:39 GMT
As toxic as Jose became, he did warn us about this, when Woodward took the piss in the summer after we finished 2nd.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 23, 2020 10:46:15 GMT
I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for us, and what happens on Sunday or in the Europa won't change my view. But the only way he deserves to be in the same sentence as the Glazers or Ed is if it's about how they have fucked Ole over.
He's a club legend who is trying his best but just isn't good enough. They're parasites who do everything they can to bleed the club dry. It's not even a comparison.
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 10:47:17 GMT
I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for us, and what happens on Sunday or in the Europa won't change my view. But the only way he deserves to be in the same sentance as the Glazers or Ed is if it's about how they have fucked Ole over. He's a club legend who is trying his best but just isn't good enough. They're parasites who do everything they can to bleed the club dry. It's not even a comparison. 100% this. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 23, 2020 10:51:30 GMT
Just for clarification if anyone cares, I was agreeing with the comments/ hate for Woodward and the Glazers. For the record I will always appreciate Ole and love him for what he did as a player for the club but I cannot accept that he is a good enough manager for United. I suspect that somewhere deep inside Ole knows this too. If you have a manager that you’re unsure of you have literally 3 choices- 1. Fire him. 2. Lower expectations to a point which would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. 3. Give him as much support as you can with elite coaches, scouts and above all players. The likes of Real did this with Zidane and Chelsea are now doing it with Lampard, signing 3 outstanding players for him. It’s pretty obvious Woodward has decided on number 2. Which of course is the worst option of the 3. And if you were cynical (or if you had a passing interest in the Glazers) you might come to the conclusion that a former legend greatly helps that as it means the crowd will take far longer to turn than normally would be the case. That is exactly the case,it's one of the reasons he was hired & without wanting be deemed to be insulting him again,what other credentials did he bring to the table to warrant getting the job? 1.As a player his status cannot be denied. 2.He knew the club. 3.He was available at short notice |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 23, 2020 10:54:19 GMT
I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for us, and what happens on Sunday or in the Europa won't change my view. But the only way he deserves to be in the same sentence as the Glazers or Ed is if it's about how they have fucked Ole over. He's a club legend who is trying his best but just isn't good enough. They're parasites who do everything they can to bleed the club dry. It's not even a comparison. I agree mostly with you,but do you honestly think they have fucked him over already??? I think this is what he bought into,hence the reason why he talks a lot of utter nonsense,like he last night. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 11:19:47 GMT
Ole has shown he hasn’t the ability to make the correct subs to win and see games out. We still don’t have a system of playing. We struggle against teams that sit and struggle against teams that press. We have scored some cracking goals I must say. But as soon Bruno looks off we don’t have an answer. I’ve also seen zero improvement in the signings he’s made and the overall quality of the squad. There is the exceptions but generally the players he’s took over haven’t improved under his coaching. Plus how can you manage and motivate a team sat smiling in his chair. I’ve not seen one top manager do that. Every single one of them are directing their team shouting instructions Martial has looked much better under Ole. Happier/more confident, anyway, and happy strikers tend to score more. Which he has. Ole also seems to have convinced Rashford that Rashford's best position is wide left rather than spearhead striker. Which is excellent. I have many criticisms of Ole but he deserves credit where it's due. I agree. Martial and Rashford look like they players we all hoped they’d become. Rashford would have probably scored over 30 goals this season were it not for injury. He’s also handled Mason brilliantly, particularly given he’s not been able to rotate him as much as he’d like recently. We have some serious issues in the side but at least the forwards look very strong now, albeit with another player needed to come in. |
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