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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 23, 2020 11:25:29 GMT
I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for us, and what happens on Sunday or in the Europa won't change my view. But the only way he deserves to be in the same sentence as the Glazers or Ed is if it's about how they have fucked Ole over. He's a club legend who is trying his best but just isn't good enough. They're parasites who do everything they can to bleed the club dry. It's not even a comparison. I agree mostly with you,but do you honestly think they have fucked him over already??? I think this is what he bought into,hence the reason why he talks a lot of utter nonsense,like he last night. Absolutely. The squad isn't good enough. The incomings have been mostly good under Ole but far too few in number. Given how much we sold Lukaku for, the net spend has been disappointing, we definitely should have been able to spend more and bring in a couple more players. The incomings also take far too long - Fernandes should have been signed in the summer, and certainly earlier in January, whilst we faffed about for weeks on Maguire. The sales (Lukaku aside) have been disappointing, with far too much deadwood still at the club thanks to Woodward's idiotic contract policies. Players like Jones and Rojo still being on our payroll is baffling, particularly since both were given new contracts long after we knew they were deadwood. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 23, 2020 11:25:54 GMT
I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for us, and what happens on Sunday or in the Europa won't change my view. But the only way he deserves to be in the same sentence as the Glazers or Ed is if it's about how they have fucked Ole over. He's a club legend who is trying his best but just isn't good enough. They're parasites who do everything they can to bleed the club dry. It's not even a comparison. He doesn't need to be quite so effusive in his praise for their ownership though. And when I say effusive I mean lying through his teeth. |
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Post by caino on Jul 23, 2020 11:39:51 GMT
Ole has shown he hasn’t the ability to make the correct subs to win and see games out. We still don’t have a system of playing. We struggle against teams that sit and struggle against teams that press. We have scored some cracking goals I must say. But as soon Bruno looks off we don’t have an answer. I’ve also seen zero improvement in the signings he’s made and the overall quality of the squad. There is the exceptions but generally the players he’s took over haven’t improved under his coaching. Plus how can you manage and motivate a team sat smiling in his chair. I’ve not seen one top manager do that. Every single one of them are directing their team shouting instructions Martial has looked much better under Ole. Happier/more confident, anyway, and happy strikers tend to score more. Which he has. Ole also seems to have convinced Rashford that Rashford's best position is wide left rather than spearhead striker. Which is excellent. I have many criticisms of Ole but he deserves credit where it's due. Like I said there is the exceptions. Martial and Greenwood. Maybe include rashford and Fred in that too but Fred has been sidelined since the restart and the squad has been poorly managed imo in terms of fatigue and burn out. |
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Post by bobbins, again for some reason on Jul 23, 2020 11:42:09 GMT
I think Ole is toeing the party-line to a certain degree - which most probably means that Woodward and the Glazers can't believe their luck that he's the manager. Don't interpret this as me having a pop at Ole (because it's not) but he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to rock the boat anyway. It's almost like he's saying the PR stuff through gritted teeth but i wouldn't expect him to cause hassle regarding the owners at all, he just doesn't seem the type. I do agree with others, to me he's actually done more than a decent job with us - but if you're asking me do i see Ole as manager really long-term is answer is probably no - a part of me hopes i'm wrong though because he is a top bloke, but my gut feeling is he'll eventually go, most probably sooner rather than later.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 23, 2020 11:52:28 GMT
I think Ole is toeing the party-line to a certain degree - which most probably means that Woodward and the Glazers can't believe their luck that he's the manager. Don't interpret this as me having a pop at Ole (because it's not) but he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to rock the boat anyway. It's almost like he's saying the PR stuff through gritted teeth but i wouldn't expect him to cause hassle regarding the owners at all, he just doesn't seem the type. I do agree with others, to me he's actually done more than a decent job with us - but if you're asking me do i see Ole as manager really long-term is answer is probably no - a part of me hopes i'm wrong though because he is a top bloke, but my gut feeling is he'll eventually go, most probably sooner rather than later. He doesn't do it through gritted teeth though he does it with a big grin on his face. |
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Post by bobbins, again for some reason on Jul 23, 2020 11:55:43 GMT
I think Ole is toeing the party-line to a certain degree - which most probably means that Woodward and the Glazers can't believe their luck that he's the manager. Don't interpret this as me having a pop at Ole (because it's not) but he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to rock the boat anyway. It's almost like he's saying the PR stuff through gritted teeth but i wouldn't expect him to cause hassle regarding the owners at all, he just doesn't seem the type. I do agree with others, to me he's actually done more than a decent job with us - but if you're asking me do i see Ole as manager really long-term is answer is probably no - a part of me hopes i'm wrong though because he is a top bloke, but my gut feeling is he'll eventually go, most probably sooner rather than later. He doesn't do it through gritted teeth though he does it with a big grin on his face. In hindsight, you’re right he does. I stand corrected. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 23, 2020 11:59:00 GMT
I agree mostly with you,but do you honestly think they have fucked him over already??? I think this is what he bought into,hence the reason why he talks a lot of utter nonsense,like he last night. Absolutely. The squad isn't good enough. The incomings have been mostly good under Ole but far too few in number. Given how much we sold Lukaku for, the net spend has been disappointing, we definitely should have been able to spend more and bring in a couple more players. The incomings also take far too long - Fernandes should have been signed in the summer, and certainly earlier in January, whilst we faffed about for weeks on Maguire. The sales (Lukaku aside) have been disappointing, with far too much deadwood still at the club thanks to Woodward's idiotic contract policies. Players like Jones and Rojo still being on our payroll is baffling, particularly since both were given new contracts long after we knew they were deadwood. If they have fucked him over this early on,then we are screwed. Surely most would agree that he was given the job because he was available cheaply & they knew if would pacify the support. But from day one he has trotted out the same rhetoric,time,process,DNA,youth,United family etc,so surely the lack of signings are not a surprise? I don't think he fucked over when it came to Haaland,Bellingham both did not want us & him. Who else was he expecting to sign? Bruno was a summer 2020 target bought forward in panic to Jan 2020,that money has gone already from the budget. Who could argue with the signings,that have been made,most clubs would have taken Bruno,Maguire,AWB..Dan James was a punt that may or may not payoff. Maguire looked a player at Leicester,the drop off in form has to be down the enviroment he is now in,it's poor coaching,fitness,instruction,players around him or the job is just simply too big for him. The transfer are protracted because we have non football people trying to do deals with experienced agents,so I get the element of caution. The finances are also so fragile,that rather than just pay an asking fee,if they wring every last penny out of it,so they see that as mission accomplished. Again,the renewing of contracts are handled badly because they are being structured by the same non football people. We need a decent DOF. With the mess that Woodward,Arnold,Glazers have created our nett spend will very likely drop again this. If I were a betting man,I'd say if we spend a £100 mill this summer,at least £50 mill will have to be generated through sales. There won't be multiple big signings we all know that. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jul 23, 2020 12:39:30 GMT
Reading the comments you’d think we were in 6th and out of the champions league spots. We’re in 3rd, it doesn’t feel like it but we are. Yes we’re lucky but you need some luck to turn things around Yesterday was disappointing but we still control our fate.
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 12:40:53 GMT
Absolutely. The squad isn't good enough. The incomings have been mostly good under Ole but far too few in number. Given how much we sold Lukaku for, the net spend has been disappointing, we definitely should have been able to spend more and bring in a couple more players. The incomings also take far too long - Fernandes should have been signed in the summer, and certainly earlier in January, whilst we faffed about for weeks on Maguire. The sales (Lukaku aside) have been disappointing, with far too much deadwood still at the club thanks to Woodward's idiotic contract policies. Players like Jones and Rojo still being on our payroll is baffling, particularly since both were given new contracts long after we knew they were deadwood. If they have fucked him over this early on,then we are screwed. Surely most would agree that he was given the job because he was available cheaply & they knew if would pacify the support. But from day one he has trotted out the same rhetoric,time,process,DNA,youth,United family etc,so surely the lack of signings are not a surprise? I don't think he fucked over when it came to Haaland,Bellingham both did not want us & him. Who else was he expecting to sign? Bruno was a summer 2020 target bought forward in panic to Jan 2020,that money has gone already from the budget. Who could argue with the signings,that have been made,most clubs would have taken Bruno,Maguire,AWB..Dan James was a punt that may or may not payoff. Maguire looked a player at Leicester,the drop off in form has to be down the enviroment he is now in,it's poor coaching,fitness,instruction,players around him or the job is just simply too big for him. The transfer are protracted because we have non football people trying to do deals with experienced agents,so I get the element of caution. The finances are also so fragile,that rather than just pay an asking fee,if they wring every last penny out of it,so they see that as mission accomplished. Again,the renewing of contracts are handled badly because they are being structured by the same non football people. We need a decent DOF. With the mess that Woodward,Arnold,Glazers have created our nett spend will very likely drop again this. If I were a betting man,I'd say if we spend a £100 mill this summer,at least £50 mill will have to be generated through sales. There won't be multiple big signings we all know that. He talked last summer about signing a CB and another forward if Lukaku left. He was then told by Woodward to pick one or the other. This was going to happen only after Lukaku was sold. Ogden was giving pelters when he said we’d have a net spend of around 70 million. Which we then had. This seems to be the magic number for Woodward and the Glazers. They might go crazy if we get Champion’s League but we’re talking 100 mill net spend at the very most. So if we buy Sancho for around 85, which I expect, then anything else will largely be paid for by sales. So you’re looking at kids or punts like Daniel James rather than battle hardened pros like Koulibaly. We may well go for relegated players but don’t be fooled it’s because we have seen some untapped potential, it’s because they’ll be dirt cheap. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 12:41:36 GMT
Reading the comments you’d think we were in 6th and out of the champions league spots. We’re in 3rd, it doesn’t feel like it but we are. Yes we’re lucky but you need some luck to turn things around Yesterday was disappointing but we still control our fate. Reading this post you’d think we aren’t over 30 points behind Liverpool. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jul 23, 2020 12:44:00 GMT
Reading the comments you’d think we were in 6th and out of the champions league spots. We’re in 3rd, it doesn’t feel like it but we are. Yes we’re lucky but you need some luck to turn things around Yesterday was disappointing but we still control our fate. Reading this post you’d think we aren’t over 30 points behind Liverpool. I get it but the only thing now that matters is getting into the champions league and we’re on pace to do that, as unlikely as it probably seemed in January. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 12:47:03 GMT
I know some of you lads touched on it last night but let’s think again about Woodward’s comments in the programme last night. This is literally the final opportunity he has to address the fans this season bar and interview in the press which he now seems to hate because they’re such meanies. And what does he do with that last opportunity? Basically tells us all not to expect too much of the summer on the transfer front. Think of the levels of either delusion or arrogance required to do such a thing. No wonder he did it when there were no fans present because he knows full well how that would have gone down in normal circumstances.
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 12:48:25 GMT
Reading this post you’d think we aren’t over 30 points behind Liverpool. I get it but the only thing now that matters is getting into the champions league and we’re on pace to do that, as unlikely as it probably seemed in January. Which normally I’d ‘celebrate’ but I can’t seem to find the enthusiasm. Because I know that it won’t mean anything other than lots of lovely dividends for our friends in Florida. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 23, 2020 12:48:46 GMT
If they have fucked him over this early on,then we are screwed. Surely most would agree that he was given the job because he was available cheaply & they knew if would pacify the support. But from day one he has trotted out the same rhetoric,time,process,DNA,youth,United family etc,so surely the lack of signings are not a surprise? I don't think he fucked over when it came to Haaland,Bellingham both did not want us & him. Who else was he expecting to sign? Bruno was a summer 2020 target bought forward in panic to Jan 2020,that money has gone already from the budget. Who could argue with the signings,that have been made,most clubs would have taken Bruno,Maguire,AWB..Dan James was a punt that may or may not payoff. Maguire looked a player at Leicester,the drop off in form has to be down the enviroment he is now in,it's poor coaching,fitness,instruction,players around him or the job is just simply too big for him. The transfer are protracted because we have non football people trying to do deals with experienced agents,so I get the element of caution. The finances are also so fragile,that rather than just pay an asking fee,if they wring every last penny out of it,so they see that as mission accomplished. Again,the renewing of contracts are handled badly because they are being structured by the same non football people. We need a decent DOF. With the mess that Woodward,Arnold,Glazers have created our nett spend will very likely drop again this. If I were a betting man,I'd say if we spend a £100 mill this summer,at least £50 mill will have to be generated through sales. There won't be multiple big signings we all know that. He talked last summer about signing a CB and another forward if Lukaku left. He was then told by Woodward to pick one or the other. This was going to happen only after Lukaku was sold. Ogden was giving pelters when he said we’d have a net spend of around 70 million. Which we then had. This seems to be the magic number for Woodward and the Glazers. They might go crazy if we get Champion’s League but we’re talking 100 mill net spend at the very most. So if we buy Sancho for around 85, which I expect, then anything else will largely be paid for by sales. So you’re looking at kids or punts like Daniel James rather than battle hardened pros like Koulibaly. We may well go for relegated players but don’t be fooled it’s because we have seen some untapped potential, it’s because they’ll be dirt cheap. If you think the nett spend was approx 70 last summer,it's going to be less this summer & we've already signed Bruno from the summer fund. Just to fund Sancho there is going to have to be some fairly hefty out fees before Sancho is signed. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 23, 2020 12:51:01 GMT
He talked last summer about signing a CB and another forward if Lukaku left. He was then told by Woodward to pick one or the other. This was going to happen only after Lukaku was sold. Ogden was giving pelters when he said we’d have a net spend of around 70 million. Which we then had. This seems to be the magic number for Woodward and the Glazers. They might go crazy if we get Champion’s League but we’re talking 100 mill net spend at the very most. So if we buy Sancho for around 85, which I expect, then anything else will largely be paid for by sales. So you’re looking at kids or punts like Daniel James rather than battle hardened pros like Koulibaly. We may well go for relegated players but don’t be fooled it’s because we have seen some untapped potential, it’s because they’ll be dirt cheap. If you think the nett spend was approx 70 last summer,it's going to be less this summer & we've already signed Bruno from the summer fund. Just to fund Sancho there is going to have to be some fairly hefty out fees before Sancho is signed. There’s no one to sell to attract those fees, bar maybe Dave. |
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