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Post by redcase on Aug 17, 2020 11:27:15 GMT
Also table doesnt lie , we are 3rd best in the league. Doesnt matter 66 points or not , how is it any different from scouse claiming the season before they won x point which is more than what United ever did under fergie , or some morons on twitter claiming this city team is better than treble winning united because they had won y points which was more than we won in 99. Each season dynamics are different , we are third best in the league no matter the points. I'll say this - We have literally scored the same number of points this year after dumping 214 million euros on the squad. |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 17, 2020 11:28:39 GMT
Juve sack Sarri despite winning the league. As much as we may hold our nose up at it that is a big club mentality. Barca have had poor season,I bet the new manager coming in won't be talking about a rebuild over multiple seasons. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 17, 2020 11:37:58 GMT
The problem we have is, and I include myself in this absolutely, we still think like Utd are a top club. We aren’t. We talk the talk but never back it up. We’re a tier 2 European side and have been for some time. I struggle to get my head around it but I honestly believe I’m going to have to or else I’m going to go crazy.
Utd are the only sporting team I am interested in that doesn’t actually aspire to winning things, not in any real sense. It’s absolutely crazy to even try to stomach that but it’s the sad truth.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Aug 17, 2020 11:41:52 GMT
Juve sack Sarri despite winning the league. As much as we may hold our nose up at it that is a big club mentality. Agree but their and our problem are not similar. They win their league for fun , they have a great squad , they have been consistently competing for the champions league , have sensible people who prioritize success running the club. They have a case for sacking Sarri because he should be doing better with that squad. I dont think Ole or anyone else for that matter can do much better with our squad |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 17, 2020 11:43:10 GMT
I think most of us can agree Klopp is the best manager in the world now. How many trophies did he win in his first 2 and a half seasons with the scums ? If It took until the 3rd season even for him to turn that shitshow around then why do people excpect Ole to do it in his first season ? And i really dont understand when people says there is no improvement , seriously guys , you have to be blind not to see improvements in martial , greenwood , rashford(before his injury atleast) and our genral attacking play. Our football is so much easier on the eye than the westbrom like stuff from Jose. He is trying to clear deadwood as fast as someone can expect with that clown ed in charge. How many times have all of cursed vangaal and jose for sticking with lingards and fellainis. Hindsight is great , but he thought his players on the pitch has a better chance of scoring than the shit on bench and decided to stick with them , it didnt work out , that is football , it happens sometimes. Klopp makes shit players look good. Like Fergie used to. You knew even with Rogers at Liverpool their defence was their Achilles heel. Under Klopp they struggled against a tight defence but they managed to overcome that . As much as he was mocked Klopp was always on a different level even early on. Solskjaer is basically learning on the job like Moyes did. This job is too big for both of them. He gets another year because that’s the level with these owners but I don’t expect anything different. No doubt Klopp is a great manager but when you compare his first starting 11 to what he has now and it’s not even close. You can improve and deal with shit players for so long but if you want to win, you need to be backed. Ole has brought in 4 players and one on loan so far. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 17, 2020 11:45:26 GMT
I think most of us can agree Klopp is the best manager in the world now. How many trophies did he win in his first 2 and a half seasons with the scums ? If It took until the 3rd season even for him to turn that shitshow around then why do people excpect Ole to do it in his first season ? And i really dont understand when people says there is no improvement , seriously guys , you have to be blind not to see improvements in martial , greenwood , rashford(before his injury atleast) and our genral attacking play. Our football is so much easier on the eye than the westbrom like stuff from Jose. He is trying to clear deadwood as fast as someone can expect with that clown ed in charge. How many times have all of cursed vangaal and jose for sticking with lingards and fellainis. Hindsight is great , but he thought his players on the pitch had a better chance of scoring than the shit on bench and decided to stick with them , it didnt work out , that is football , it happens sometimes. You are talking a lot of sense here. However you are missing one very important point- FSG are about winning. They turned a moribund baseball team into winners. They ended the league drought for Liverpool. They are successful operators in their field. Our owners, leaving aside deserved spite from us here, aren’t successful owners. They are terrible owners. They achieved 1 Super Bowl an awfully long time ago and have been wretched ever since. Utd achieved plenty early in their tenure due to a genius but have been little more than a laughing stock since he left. Someone asked earlier- would Klopp win the league with this Utd side. The answer is simple. No. Because you couldn’t have dragged him into taking the job under these owners as he isn’t stupid. Sadly, this isn’t anything new. We all know deep down Utd are completely fucked. The only hope is a bumper crop of youngsters a la tithe Busby Babes or the Class of 92.but even those sides were augmented by top signings. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 17, 2020 11:46:06 GMT
Juve sack Sarri despite winning the league. As much as we may hold our nose up at it that is a big club mentality. Juve have an established squad, we don’t. That’s a really shite comparison. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 17, 2020 11:52:37 GMT
Also table doesnt lie , we are 3rd best in the league. Doesnt matter 66 points or not , how is it any different from scouse claiming the season before they won x point which is more than what United ever did under fergie , or some morons on twitter claiming this city team is better than treble winning united because they had won y points which was more than we won in 99. Each season dynamics are different , we are third best in the league no matter the points. Ah. So being 6th in a alright league is not good enough but being 3rd in a shit league is hunky dory. The fact we finished third this season actually more points behind the champions is apparently irrelevant. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 17, 2020 11:56:00 GMT
Juve sack Sarri despite winning the league. As much as we may hold our nose up at it that is a big club mentality. Juve have an established squad, we don’t. That’s a really shite comparison. No it isn't. Juventus want to win the European Cup and they expect to dominate the domestic league. That's an elite mentality regardless of how established their squad is. We can only dream of that level of standards. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 17, 2020 11:56:49 GMT
I think most of us can agree Klopp is the best manager in the world now. How many trophies did he win in his first 2 and a half seasons with the scums ? If It took until the 3rd season even for him to turn that shitshow around then why do people excpect Ole to do it in his first season ? And i really dont understand when people says there is no improvement , seriously guys , you have to be blind not to see improvements in martial , greenwood , rashford(before his injury atleast) and our genral attacking play. Our football is so much easier on the eye than the westbrom like stuff from Jose. He is trying to clear deadwood as fast as someone can expect with that clown ed in charge. How many times have all of cursed vangaal and jose for sticking with lingards and fellainis. Hindsight is great , but he thought his players on the pitch had a better chance of scoring than the shit on bench and decided to stick with them , it didnt work out , that is football , it happens sometimes. You are talking a lot of sense here. However you are missing one very important point- FSG are about winning. They turned a moribund baseball team into winners. They ended the league drought for Liverpool. They are successful operators in their field. Our owners, leaving aside deserved spite from us here, aren’t successful owners. They are terrible owners. They achieved 1 Super Bowl an awfully long time ago and have been wretched ever since. Utd achieved plenty early in their tenure due to a genius but have been little more than a laughing stock since he left. Someone asked earlier- would Klopp win the league with this Utd side. The answer is simple. No. Because you couldn’t have dragged him into taking the job under these owners as he isn’t stupid. Sadly, this isn’t anything new. We all know deep down Utd are completely fucked. The only hope is a bumper crop of youngsters a la tithe Busby Babes or the Class of 92.but even those sides were augmented by top signings. Not even deep down. I hope for better than average now. Anything else is a bonus. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 17, 2020 12:04:21 GMT
Juve have an established squad, we don’t. That’s a really shite comparison. No it isn't. Juventus want to win the European Cup and they expect to dominate the domestic league. That's an elite mentality regardless of how established their squad is. We can only dream of that level of standards. Juve have had years of good transfer dealings, we haven’t. Ole has had two decent transfer windows so far. If we ever get back to Juve’s level then we can go back to their standards but for now we are what we are and should first deal with getting rid of the deadwood and hopefully make good signings. |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 17, 2020 12:14:12 GMT
The problem we have is, and I include myself in this absolutely, we still think like Utd are a top club. We aren’t. We talk the talk but never back it up. We’re a tier 2 European side and have been for some time. I struggle to get my head around it but I honestly believe I’m going to have to or else I’m going to go crazy. Utd are the only sporting team I am interested in that doesn’t actually aspire to winning things, not in any real sense. It’s absolutely crazy to even try to stomach that but it’s the sad truth. You are correct & that is why I am so very opposed & vocal to what is going on at the club. It isn't an overnight thing,this day has been coming for a very very long time,finances at club are at an almost critical mass point,from a transfer & wage perspective that should never be. I responded to whatever they call themself,the person that decided it was ok to call a cnut & bellend this morning,that perhaps I care more than them,I am convinced that is the case. I find it incredulous that people who claim to care are so accepting & pretty much adopt a 'yep what is happening is shit,but it's Ole so it's fine' attitude. A lot of our fan base need to wake because as you have said we are not aspiring to be best anymore & that should hurt anyone who remotely cares about the club deeply. Outwardly the Glazers & Woodward may say they care & want the club to be successful,they don't care a toss for Manchester United or it's fan base,that should hurt everyone who claims to support the club,yet that it is probably not the case with some. My last words on here. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Aug 17, 2020 12:14:27 GMT
Also table doesnt lie , we are 3rd best in the league. Doesnt matter 66 points or not , how is it any different from scouse claiming the season before they won x point which is more than what United ever did under fergie , or some morons on twitter claiming this city team is better than treble winning united because they had won y points which was more than we won in 99. Each season dynamics are different , we are third best in the league no matter the points. I'll say this - We have literally scored the same number of points this year after dumping 214 million euros on the squad. Can you honesty tell there is no difference in our football compared to Van gaal and Jose days. And may be if ed had got bruno - who 'gave the ball away too much' in earlier, or if pogba was not 'injured' for almost the entire season waiting for Madrid to come and get him, we would have done much better. But lets blame Ole , next manager is going to magically fix everything. I get it , there are better managers out there than Ole ,but to me he has done well enough with what he has. There are clearly improvement in style of play, you can tell if we get a quality CB , a defensive midfielder and sancho there ill be massive improvements in this team. Its upto to ed to back him in market now. Really think we have higher priorities than firing Ole |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 12:14:37 GMT
Some of the contradictions in here are astounding.
Apparently people accept we’re shit and are at the level we belong right now but despite this our manager should be doing better despite us finishing 3rd with what everybody agrees is a gash squad. With players that belong in the Championship.
So we need to sign better players but all know the owners are cunts and don’t aspire to have us back at the top and won’t release the funds but we should still compare ourselves to the likes of Juve and Barca despite us being a shit 2nd tier team with no depth in our squad and owners who don’t give a fuck about winning. But it’s all Ole’s fault coz he didn’t use his shit subs like Lingard 5 minutes earlier last night.
Hard to read, right? That’s what it’s like reading some of the incoherent drivel on here.
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Post by RAZ on Aug 17, 2020 12:14:52 GMT
No it isn't. Juventus want to win the European Cup and they expect to dominate the domestic league. That's an elite mentality regardless of how established their squad is. We can only dream of that level of standards. Juve have had years of good transfer dealings, we haven’t. Ole has had two decent transfer windows so far. If we ever get back to Juve’s level then we can go back to their standards but for now we are what we are and should first deal with getting rid of the deadwood and hopefully make good signings. thats unfortunately the sad truth |
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