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Post by Karma on Aug 17, 2020 18:52:34 GMT
Thread bare squad? Jose clearly didn’t rate Pereria. Solskjaer does or at least did. Lingard had turned to shit long before Solskjaer arrived. He still wants him to stay apparently . Smalling was turfed out because Solskjaer didn’t rate him either Lukaku was our only true CF. Benched and sold. Fellani was still useful . Sold. New contract for Jones under Solskjaer. Jose had clearly lost faith with him and practically froze him out. The Fa Cup fuck up was probably the final nail. Sometimes you have to help yourself. Some pure nonsense in this. A lot of people on here thought Pereira was a good prospect who should be given a chance and in fact criticised José for not playing him. Smalling had more than enough chances. The issue isn’t “turfing” Smalling out (which suggests he was hard done by), the issue is the replacement not being up to the job. Criticise Ole for that. But if you want Manchester United to compete with the top teams in this league and in Europe, then Chris Smalling factually is not good enough. Rose tinted spectacles. Ole was right to shift him. Lukaku was fucking dreadful last season and I lost count of the amount of games (during both seasons here) that he missed big chances in big games. That result would be no different with him in the team. Regardless of whether you think he’s a top striker or not (I don’t), it wasn’t working for him here. He was the wrong man for this team. We were right to shift him. Fellaini encapsulated everything that was wrong with the previous regimes. Don’t bother finding another way, just chuck Fellaini on. I’ve never been more embarrassed in my life by a player being at United than I was by Fellaini and that’s in terms of both the way we ended up signing him, and his presence on the pitch. If you wanted a culture change, he absolutely had to be moved on. “José clearly lost faith in Jones and froze him out”. José would freeze his own fucking mother out. One of the sourest blokes on planet Earth. I quite enjoyed his shithousery, but let’s not pretend he had some fucking mystic quality for seeing a player wasn’t up to it and freezing him out. He froze Martial out. José usually is successful in the short term then creates a monumental black cloud over a club until he himself is frozen out. We couldn’t have kept José. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Ole, that horrible black cloud that José created is gone. The amount of revisionism is wild. If you don’t think Ole is the man for the job, fine. But don’t outright lie and talk utter shit. That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. 1. I never rated Pereria and I was roundly criticised for it 12 months back. 2. Apparently we now want Smalling back. 🙄 3. Fellani contributed to 2 of our trophies in Jose’s first season. 4. Jose preferred to alternate Rashford with Martial on that left hand side. Unfortunately neither are clinical enough as we’ve seen more than enough times. So he was half right. Not sure where you get the lying bit from. Out of your arse most probably. 🙄 |
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Post by Stretty on Aug 17, 2020 20:13:55 GMT
Some pure nonsense in this. A lot of people on here thought Pereira was a good prospect who should be given a chance and in fact criticised José for not playing him. Smalling had more than enough chances. The issue isn’t “turfing” Smalling out (which suggests he was hard done by), the issue is the replacement not being up to the job. Criticise Ole for that. But if you want Manchester United to compete with the top teams in this league and in Europe, then Chris Smalling factually is not good enough. Rose tinted spectacles. Ole was right to shift him. Lukaku was fucking dreadful last season and I lost count of the amount of games (during both seasons here) that he missed big chances in big games. That result would be no different with him in the team. Regardless of whether you think he’s a top striker or not (I don’t), it wasn’t working for him here. He was the wrong man for this team. We were right to shift him. Fellaini encapsulated everything that was wrong with the previous regimes. Don’t bother finding another way, just chuck Fellaini on. I’ve never been more embarrassed in my life by a player being at United than I was by Fellaini and that’s in terms of both the way we ended up signing him, and his presence on the pitch. If you wanted a culture change, he absolutely had to be moved on. “José clearly lost faith in Jones and froze him out”. José would freeze his own fucking mother out. One of the sourest blokes on planet Earth. I quite enjoyed his shithousery, but let’s not pretend he had some fucking mystic quality for seeing a player wasn’t up to it and freezing him out. He froze Martial out. José usually is successful in the short term then creates a monumental black cloud over a club until he himself is frozen out. We couldn’t have kept José. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Ole, that horrible black cloud that José created is gone. The amount of revisionism is wild. If you don’t think Ole is the man for the job, fine. But don’t outright lie and talk utter shit. That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. 1. I never rated Pereria and I was roundly criticised for it 12 months back. 2. Apparently we now want Smalling back. 🙄 3. Fellani contributed to 2 of our trophies in Jose’s first season. 4. Jose preferred to alternate Rashford with Martial on that left hand side. Unfortunately neither are clinical enough as we’ve seen more than enough times. So he was half right. Not sure where you get the lying bit from. Out of your arse most probably. 🙄 god we don’t do we. lets go the whole hog and get TC23 back while where at it. if this is true it looks like we are near skint and the glazers fleecing and mismanagement of the club is finally coming to a head |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 17, 2020 20:59:38 GMT
Some pure nonsense in this. A lot of people on here thought Pereira was a good prospect who should be given a chance and in fact criticised José for not playing him. Smalling had more than enough chances. The issue isn’t “turfing” Smalling out (which suggests he was hard done by), the issue is the replacement not being up to the job. Criticise Ole for that. But if you want Manchester United to compete with the top teams in this league and in Europe, then Chris Smalling factually is not good enough. Rose tinted spectacles. Ole was right to shift him. Lukaku was fucking dreadful last season and I lost count of the amount of games (during both seasons here) that he missed big chances in big games. That result would be no different with him in the team. Regardless of whether you think he’s a top striker or not (I don’t), it wasn’t working for him here. He was the wrong man for this team. We were right to shift him. Fellaini encapsulated everything that was wrong with the previous regimes. Don’t bother finding another way, just chuck Fellaini on. I’ve never been more embarrassed in my life by a player being at United than I was by Fellaini and that’s in terms of both the way we ended up signing him, and his presence on the pitch. If you wanted a culture change, he absolutely had to be moved on. “José clearly lost faith in Jones and froze him out”. José would freeze his own fucking mother out. One of the sourest blokes on planet Earth. I quite enjoyed his shithousery, but let’s not pretend he had some fucking mystic quality for seeing a player wasn’t up to it and freezing him out. He froze Martial out. José usually is successful in the short term then creates a monumental black cloud over a club until he himself is frozen out. We couldn’t have kept José. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Ole, that horrible black cloud that José created is gone. The amount of revisionism is wild. If you don’t think Ole is the man for the job, fine. But don’t outright lie and talk utter shit. That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. 1. I never rated Pereria and I was roundly criticised for it 12 months back. 2. Apparently we now want Smalling back. 🙄 3. Fellani contributed to 2 of our trophies in Jose’s first season. 4. Jose preferred to alternate Rashford with Martial on that left hand side. Unfortunately neither are clinical enough as we’ve seen more than enough times. So he was half right. Not sure where you get the lying bit from. Out of your arse most probably. 🙄 I think outside of last night we’ve seen Martial be clinical more than enough times this season haven’t we?. Certainly more clinical than Lukaku was last season anyway. José should’ve spotted that surely since he’s such a fucking visionary? I mean, you’re making an argument that Fellaini should still have a place in this squad. Pure, unfiltered guff. |
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Post by Karma on Aug 17, 2020 21:18:39 GMT
I said he contributed to trophies.
He along with Lukaku is perfect for fans like you to mock.
Meanwhile we end the season trophy less and patting ourselves on the back with a magnificent 66 points.
But never mind at least our players are likeable.
That seems to be a ‘thing’ of importance these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 21:20:43 GMT
Some pure nonsense in this. A lot of people on here thought Pereira was a good prospect who should be given a chance and in fact criticised José for not playing him. Smalling had more than enough chances. The issue isn’t “turfing” Smalling out (which suggests he was hard done by), the issue is the replacement not being up to the job. Criticise Ole for that. But if you want Manchester United to compete with the top teams in this league and in Europe, then Chris Smalling factually is not good enough. Rose tinted spectacles. Ole was right to shift him. Lukaku was fucking dreadful last season and I lost count of the amount of games (during both seasons here) that he missed big chances in big games. That result would be no different with him in the team. Regardless of whether you think he’s a top striker or not (I don’t), it wasn’t working for him here. He was the wrong man for this team. We were right to shift him. Fellaini encapsulated everything that was wrong with the previous regimes. Don’t bother finding another way, just chuck Fellaini on. I’ve never been more embarrassed in my life by a player being at United than I was by Fellaini and that’s in terms of both the way we ended up signing him, and his presence on the pitch. If you wanted a culture change, he absolutely had to be moved on. “José clearly lost faith in Jones and froze him out”. José would freeze his own fucking mother out. One of the sourest blokes on planet Earth. I quite enjoyed his shithousery, but let’s not pretend he had some fucking mystic quality for seeing a player wasn’t up to it and freezing him out. He froze Martial out. José usually is successful in the short term then creates a monumental black cloud over a club until he himself is frozen out. We couldn’t have kept José. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Ole, that horrible black cloud that José created is gone. The amount of revisionism is wild. If you don’t think Ole is the man for the job, fine. But don’t outright lie and talk utter shit. That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. 1. I never rated Pereria and I was roundly criticised for it 12 months back. 2. Apparently we now want Smalling back. 🙄 3. Fellani contributed to 2 of our trophies in Jose’s first season. 4. Jose preferred to alternate Rashford with Martial on that left hand side. Unfortunately neither are clinical enough as we’ve seen more than enough times. So he was half right. Not sure where you get the lying bit from. Out of your arse most probably. 🙄 Martial has literally been our best player since the return and I include Bruno in that. He’s been absolutely superb. |
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Post by Karma on Aug 17, 2020 21:24:15 GMT
That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. 1. I never rated Pereria and I was roundly criticised for it 12 months back. 2. Apparently we now want Smalling back. 🙄 3. Fellani contributed to 2 of our trophies in Jose’s first season. 4. Jose preferred to alternate Rashford with Martial on that left hand side. Unfortunately neither are clinical enough as we’ve seen more than enough times. So he was half right. Not sure where you get the lying bit from. Out of your arse most probably. 🙄 Martial has literally been our best player since the return and I include Bruno in that. He’s been absolutely superb. I rate Martial over Rashford considerably. Buy a decent CF and stick him alongside Martial and I think we’re in business. |
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Post by aussiegraham on Aug 17, 2020 21:29:19 GMT
One thing that’s abundantly clear reading the latter part of this thread is that, no matter what side of the Ole fence you sit on, it’s a hugely depressing place to be for long-time United fans.
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Post by Kojak on Aug 17, 2020 21:56:26 GMT
I said he contributed to trophies. He along with Lukaku is perfect for fans like you to mock. Meanwhile we end the season trophy less and patting ourselves on the back with a magnificent 66 points. But never mind at least our players are likeable. That seems to be a ‘thing’ of importance these days. Fans like me? As opposed to fans of big lumbering oafs like yourself? First touch dreadful, second touch a foul. |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 17, 2020 21:58:26 GMT
Luuk De Jong has literally more league goals than our entire bench combined bar McTominay. We don’t have anyone the caliber of ‘0 goals for Newcastle’ De Jong on our bench, and seeing as you ignored the rest of the post, I’m assuming you wouldn’t have brought him on to get us a goal despite him being our top scorer off the bench. And no, that’s not Ole’s fault.
And just so we’re clear, the master plan should’ve been Igalho to the rescue but Ole the idiot didn’t recognize it, yeah? I don't want to rehash this over and over. But what do you think Ole's thoughts on Ighalo are? I get you don't have direct access to Ole or his opinions, but just asking for your thought on this one simple subject. Because he either rates him or he doesn't. If he rates him, then why leave it until literally the last seconds of a game that we're losing before bringing him on? If he doesn't rate him then why 1 - Sign him in the first place, and 2 - proceed to extend his loan into next year? Maybe he's carrying an injury we don't know about? Then why even bother with him on the bench? Wouldn't a fit kid be better, a Macheda or Rashford sized gamble? And why keep bringing league goals up? I didn't, but you did. I said De Jong had 0 in 12 at Newcastle. Which he did. In all comps. No one mentioned league games. Especially considering this wasn't even a league game? Is it because Ighalo has scored 0 in the league but 5 in cups, so it didn't really support your argument? Because in all comps De Jong has scored 2 goals more than Ighalo, in 26 more games. So Ole signed someone he thinks is shite, and extended the same shite players contract, and thinks he's a much worse option than lethal De Jong who has massively outscored Ighalo by two goals? Ok. |
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Post by Karma on Aug 17, 2020 22:04:33 GMT
I said he contributed to trophies. He along with Lukaku is perfect for fans like you to mock. Meanwhile we end the season trophy less and patting ourselves on the back with a magnificent 66 points. But never mind at least our players are likeable. That seems to be a ‘thing’ of importance these days. Fans like me? As opposed to fans of big lumbering oafs like yourself? First touch dreadful, second touch a foul. Scored 2 goals tonight. Now in the EL final. We’ve scored 2 penalties out of 46 attempts on goal in the last 2 games. But yeh, you’re right he’s an oaf. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 17, 2020 22:14:51 GMT
Fans like me? As opposed to fans of big lumbering oafs like yourself? First touch dreadful, second touch a foul. Scored 2 goals tonight. Now in the EL final. We’ve scored 2 penalties out of 46 attempts on goal in the last 2 games. But yeh, you’re right he’s an oaf. Scored a load of goals against dross for Everton and Belgium too. Was like having Emile Heskey up front last season. Aye, he was really converting those chances. You presumably have eyes. You saw him play for us. Even if you think he’s a top level striker it’s absolutely evident it wasn’t working for him at United. Putting aside our differing views on the player, however the fuck Ole wants us to play (which admittedly is confusing as) Lukaku doesn’t fit that. |
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Post by Karma on Aug 18, 2020 5:30:08 GMT
Scored 2 goals tonight. Now in the EL final. We’ve scored 2 penalties out of 46 attempts on goal in the last 2 games. But yeh, you’re right he’s an oaf. Scored a load of goals against dross for Everton and Belgium too. Was like having Emile Heskey up front last season. Aye, he was really converting those chances. You presumably have eyes. You saw him play for us. Even if you think he’s a top level striker it’s absolutely evident it wasn’t working for him at United. Putting aside our differing views on the player, however the fuck Ole wants us to play (which admittedly is confusing as) Lukaku doesn’t fit that. Where did I say he was a top level striker? He was frozen out by Solskaer . We scored 2 penalties from 46 attempts in the last 2 games. Horrific stats. But yes Lukaku was the problem. Conte is getting a tune out of him though. Credit to him. Good managers do that. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Aug 18, 2020 7:38:46 GMT
Fans like me? As opposed to fans of big lumbering oafs like yourself? First touch dreadful, second touch a foul. Scored 2 goals tonight. Now in the EL final. We’ve scored 2 penalties out of 46 attempts on goal in the last 2 games. But yeh, you’re right he’s an oaf. I'll admit i didn't watch the game , but looks like he scored 2 goals when Inter was already up 3-0 and cruising into the final. Big deal. Lukakku as an option from the bench is ok, but he's simply not good enough to be regular starter at United. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 18, 2020 9:40:25 GMT
Lukaku made it clear he wasn’t prepared to play a backup role at Utd. Ole picked Martial. This was without doubt the correct decision.
There is literally no debating this. Martial is a much better player and suits the style of play Ole wants far better.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 18, 2020 10:37:26 GMT
Lukaku made it clear he wasn’t prepared to play a backup role at Utd. Ole picked Martial. This was without doubt the correct decision. There is literally no debating this. Martial is a much better player and suits the style of play Ole wants far better. This. Lukaku is a good striker, not 'elite', but very good. Saying he isn't a very good player is just wrong, in my view. Just didn't suit us or at least didn't suit what the manager wanted. I was a big Lukaku fan for years before we signed him but we've seen he shortcomings up close. Always come back to the conversation I had with a Toffee just after we signed Lukaku who said the most enduring memory would be of Lukaku with his arm in the air, thumbs up, appreciating a pass he couldn't get control of. It is. He didn't really leave in the best way so I've not cared how he has done elsewhere. Did predict he would score goals in Italy and some people would use that as a stick to beat Utd with. They're half right. Sticking with Martial was clearly the correct choice but we needed a proper replacement striker in the squad. That hasn't happened (Ighalo in January doesn't really count). That is the part that annoys me about the Lukaku sale. |
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