|
|
Post by Karma on Oct 8, 2020 8:46:43 GMT
At least he got to an actual final. Baby steps. We’re not smart enough to hire Allegri so he’s certainly better than what we have now. We fired the previous two guys who got us to finals. Yeah but they didn’t have our DNA. |
|
|
|
Post by safariRed on Oct 8, 2020 9:10:37 GMT
Trophies and finals aside we just need someone with fresh ideas and a clear plan of what this team needs to do to win games.
For all their nonsense LVG and Jose had very specific style of play, we may not have liked it but they had a plan and we WON trophies with a garbage squad far worse than what ole has had to deal with.
all we have right now is a team that's been told to "go out there, have fun and try hit them on the break".
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 11:25:00 GMT
Jesus christ people go on about Pochetino likes he's this trophy laden manager. Hes won NOTHING, zilch, nada, fuck all 🤦♂️
He comes in before the end of the season and 12 months down the line we'll be having the same fucking conversation. Some people have short term memories.
Keane was spot on when he said the same players throwing Mourinho under the bus will do the same to Ole. Hes not without fault himself but some of these players are shitting on the very shirt they wear. Some of these don't have the commitment to the badge to succeed at the club.
I dont know how the shit is fixed. I honestly dont beleive another manager change so soon will change a thing. We'll go on a run of games, people will get carried away and excited and the honeymoon period will end and back to square one. Its happened before and will happen again.
|
|
|
|
Post by viking22 on Oct 8, 2020 16:04:13 GMT
Ole was only intended as an interim appointment. No idea why he got the permanent job before the season was over and without interviewing other candidates. He deserves some credit for lifting the mood a bit and getting us playing some flowing football again. But we need someone capable of organizing a defence and grinding out results when the team isn't playing well.
Also Ole gets a bit too much credit because the two purple patches which covered up for some appalling runs of result were due to a) Pogba deciding he had a point to prove after Mourinho left and b) Bruno arriving and taking the Premiership by storm. This season Pogba clearly can't be bothered and Bruno looks a bit burnt out after the burden of carrying the team for most of this year.
|
|
|
|
Post by JamBritRed on Oct 8, 2020 16:12:58 GMT
Jesus christ people go on about Pochetino likes he's this trophy laden manager. Hes won NOTHING, zilch, nada, fuck all 🤦♂️ He comes in before the end of the season and 12 months down the line we'll be having the same fucking conversation. Some people have short term memories. Keane was spot on when he said the same players throwing Mourinho under the bus will do the same to Ole. Hes not without fault himself but some of these players are shitting on the very shirt they wear. Some of these don't have the commitment to the badge to succeed at the club. I dont know how the shit is fixed. I honestly dont beleive another manager change so soon will change a thing. We'll go on a run of games, people will get carried away and excited and the honeymoon period will end and back to square one. Its happened before and will happen again. 1) this is exactly what the ownership and executive are hoping for, we shouldn't really be surprised anymore. you are very right there. 2) I can't help but have the suspicion that the South Americans may have been brought in for Poch, more than Ole. Nothing to base this on other than he himself is a South American, so just a feeling. |
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Oct 8, 2020 16:57:06 GMT
Jesus christ people go on about Pochetino likes he's this trophy laden manager. Hes won NOTHING, zilch, nada, fuck all 🤦♂️ He comes in before the end of the season and 12 months down the line we'll be having the same fucking conversation. Some people have short term memories. Keane was spot on when he said the same players throwing Mourinho under the bus will do the same to Ole. Hes not without fault himself but some of these players are shitting on the very shirt they wear. Some of these don't have the commitment to the badge to succeed at the club. I dont know how the shit is fixed. I honestly dont beleive another manager change so soon will change a thing. We'll go on a run of games, people will get carried away and excited and the honeymoon period will end and back to square one. Its happened before and will happen again. Who does? |
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Oct 8, 2020 17:04:44 GMT
Ole was only intended as an interim appointment. No idea why he got the permanent job before the season was over and without interviewing other candidates. He deserves some credit for lifting the mood a bit and getting us playing some flowing football again. But we need someone capable of organizing a defence and grinding out results when the team isn't playing well. Also Ole gets a bit too much credit because the two purple patches which covered up for some appalling runs of result were due to a) Pogba deciding he had a point to prove after Mourinho left and b) Bruno arriving and taking the Premiership by storm. This season Pogba clearly can't be bothered and Bruno looks a bit burnt out after the burden of carrying the team for most of this year. Very good points. Ole got the job because Blanc didn’t want to be an interim manager. That’s a fact. We got a new manager bounce, a crazy one at that, and then fell back down to earth. We started last season dreadfully, and were on course for a terrible finish until Bruno joined and Mason emerged. We still had one of our lowest ever points totals and were helped by the low standard in the league and particularly by Leicester’s awful luck with injuries. We were unlucky I thought against Sevilla, their keeper had a worldie. However in all the other semis we have been battered. We have started this season appallingly. We have something of an excuse in that the rest time we have had (like City and Wolves) is completely farcical. But we’ve been terrible since we came back. Bruno looks exhausted, Mason is playing overplayed for his age and the defense is dire. Ask yourself this- is there even the slightest chance he’ll get a big job after Utd, once he’s inevitably been fired? Of course not. He’s a lovely guy, he cares deeply about the club but so does Denis Irvin, Evra, Bruce etc. It’s not a good enough reason and never was. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 17:37:36 GMT
Jesus christ people go on about Pochetino likes he's this trophy laden manager. Hes won NOTHING, zilch, nada, fuck all 🤦♂️ He comes in before the end of the season and 12 months down the line we'll be having the same fucking conversation. Some people have short term memories. Keane was spot on when he said the same players throwing Mourinho under the bus will do the same to Ole. Hes not without fault himself but some of these players are shitting on the very shirt they wear. Some of these don't have the commitment to the badge to succeed at the club. I dont know how the shit is fixed. I honestly dont beleive another manager change so soon will change a thing. We'll go on a run of games, people will get carried away and excited and the honeymoon period will end and back to square one. Its happened before and will happen again. Who does? The fact he seems to be the first name in so many peoples mouths when people ask who they'd want to take over. Some even are begging for the job to be given to him. |
|
|
|
Post by Rustin Cohle on Oct 8, 2020 19:59:51 GMT
Pochettino and Nangelsmann are the two that excite me the most, but there are several managers that would improve us.
But no manager around today would improve us enough for it to truly matter, not with these cunts in charge.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reduntildeath on Oct 8, 2020 22:44:01 GMT
Pochettino and Nangelsmann are the two that excite me the most, but there are several managers that would improve us. But no manager around today would improve us enough for it to truly matter, not with these cunts in charge. What you said! It matters not. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 7:48:39 GMT
Pochettino and Nangelsmann are the two that excite me the most, but there are several managers that would improve us. But no manager around today would improve us enough for it to truly matter, not with these cunts in charge. This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. |
|
|
|
Post by viking22 on Oct 9, 2020 7:56:09 GMT
Great comment re the points total Stewart. The benchmark should be the high water mark of 81 points Jose set in his second season. In every other season 66 points wouldn't have got you into the Top 4 and is comparable to points totals that got Moyes and Louis sacked. Also relevant is our failure to win any of the domestic or European cups. And the fact Ole benefited from a net spend of £100M before this summer as well as the emergence of Mason.
Also it is defeatist to say it doesn't matter who is our manager with Woodward and the Glazers in charge. It is true that they'll never give us the transfer resources needed to put together a title winning squad (and even if they did Woodward would find a way to screw it up). But our annual transfer budget is more than adequate to assemble a squad that can comfortably finish in the top four every season and challenge for the domestic cups and have a decent run in the Champions League. We also have a lot of young players who under the right management could turn into world beaters and that would massively change the equation.
The real danger is that we slide further and fail to make top four in successive seasons, fail to win any domestic trophies and that will result in loss of winnings, loss of sponsorship money and eventually no one will want to manager or play for us and we will become a midtable club with a glorious but no longer relevant history.
|
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Oct 9, 2020 14:29:52 GMT
Pochettino and Nangelsmann are the two that excite me the most, but there are several managers that would improve us. But no manager around today would improve us enough for it to truly matter, not with these cunts in charge. This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. So we should stick with a manager who clearly isn’t good enough because it’s pointless changing due to the structure? Everyone knows the way we’re set up is dreadful. Everyone knows Woodward is less than useless. But most of us know Ole isn’t very good either. He should be getting more out of the squad. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 14:34:10 GMT
This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. So we should stick with a manager who clearly isn’t good enough because it’s pointless changing due to the structure? It's a catch 22. Sack him, dont sack him its not going to solve anything long term and I think most know this. He needs help, bring somebody in that can help with the tactical side of things instead. Try a different approach for a change. |
|
|
|
Post by kstandhand on Oct 9, 2020 14:37:36 GMT
Why bring someone into help a manager who already has a team of staff,talk about further admission that he needs to be gone.
He's going anyway,it won't be long now.
|
|
