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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 14:53:19 GMT
Why bring someone into help a manager who already has a team of staff,talk about further admission that he needs to be gone. He's going anyway,it won't be long now. Because thst method has been tried 3 times already and hasn't worked. What makes people think a 4th will? I'm not saying Ole is good enough. But you cant keep on sacking managers when you know the next one will struggle aswell, where does the cycle end? Clearly the coaching staff aren't good enough either because our tactics are none existent. |
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Post by kstandhand on Oct 9, 2020 14:59:09 GMT
Why bring someone into help a manager who already has a team of staff,talk about further admission that he needs to be gone. He's going anyway,it won't be long now. Because thst method has been tried 3 times already and hasn't worked. What makes people think a 4th will? I'm not saying Ole is good enough. But you cant keep on sacking managers when you know the next one will struggle aswell, where does the cycle end? Clearly the coaching staff aren't good enough either because our tactics are none existent. The difference now is financially it's far far worse,there is less money to spend & will be even less going forward,someone that can get more out of this bunch is more important than it was in Moyes,LVG & even Jose's time. An experienced manager that can coach & is tactically aware is imperative. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 15:06:23 GMT
Because thst method has been tried 3 times already and hasn't worked. What makes people think a 4th will? I'm not saying Ole is good enough. But you cant keep on sacking managers when you know the next one will struggle aswell, where does the cycle end? Clearly the coaching staff aren't good enough either because our tactics are none existent. The difference now is financially it's far far worse,there is less money to spend & will be even less going forward,someone that can get more out of this bunch is more important than it was in Moyes,LVG & even Jose's time. An experienced manager that can coach & is tactically aware is imperative. To an extent I agree, in an ideal world Ole walks. I'm dread the day he's fucked over by the club because let's face it they've fucked him over already by not bringing in any of his targets so therefore clearly have no faith in him. I dont want an ex player managing us again because their legacy at the club will be shat on. |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 9, 2020 15:41:50 GMT
Ole was only intended as an interim appointment. No idea why he got the permanent job before the season was over and without interviewing other candidates. He deserves some credit for lifting the mood a bit and getting us playing some flowing football again. But we need someone capable of organizing a defence and grinding out results when the team isn't playing well. Also Ole gets a bit too much credit because the two purple patches which covered up for some appalling runs of result were due to a) Pogba deciding he had a point to prove after Mourinho left and b) Bruno arriving and taking the Premiership by storm. This season Pogba clearly can't be bothered and Bruno looks a bit burnt out after the burden of carrying the team for most of this year.  |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 9, 2020 16:07:59 GMT
This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. So we should stick with a manager who clearly isn’t good enough because it’s pointless changing due to the structure? Everyone knows the way we’re set up is dreadful. Everyone knows Woodward is less than useless. But most of us know Ole isn’t very good either. He should be getting more out of the squad. Because wibble Stew. Ole-DNA-United way wibble. |
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Post by Tatty on Oct 9, 2020 16:12:44 GMT
Pochettino and Nangelsmann are the two that excite me the most, but there are several managers that would improve us. But no manager around today would improve us enough for it to truly matter, not with these cunts in charge. This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. If you really think someone like Klopp/Pep/Luis Enrique/Allegri couldn’t get w tune out of this lot, then grief. The first XI is good. Very good. The squad, whilst not great is better than it was a year ago. We should be doing better. You can make as many excuses as you want about the board, but what are actually doing at Carrington and on the pitch is what we’re talking about. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 9, 2020 16:18:41 GMT
This has been my point from the beginning. People (some seeing as people seem to split hairs) seem to think that replacing Ole will automatically solve the issues. Also recall the exact same thing being said when van Gaal was replaced with Jose and when Jose was replaced with Ole. Theres a pattern forming and SOME people can't grasp that. Until things change upstairs which I don't see happening anytime soon then things won't change. Even more so when you have players half arsing it showing no respect to the shirt on their back. They won't give a fuck though, they still get their paycheck at the end of the week. If you really think someone like Klopp/Pep/Luis Enrique/Allegri couldn’t get w tune out of this lot, then grief. The first XI is good. Very good. The squad, whilst not great is better than it was a year ago. We should be doing better. You can make as many excuses as you want about the board, but what are actually doing at Carrington and on the pitch is what we’re talking about. Well, our defence is not very good really. |
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Post by hogshead on Oct 9, 2020 17:02:08 GMT
If you really think someone like Klopp/Pep/Luis Enrique/Allegri couldn’t get w tune out of this lot, then grief. The first XI is good. Very good. The squad, whilst not great is better than it was a year ago. We should be doing better. You can make as many excuses as you want about the board, but what are actually doing at Carrington and on the pitch is what we’re talking about. Well, our defence is not very good really. The defence is adequate if coached in the correct manner, Ole is not up to the job and i is clear to see. Once these internationals are out of the way he had better get results fast and if we lose or even only draw against Newcastle, if he really still thinks anything about the club he must surely resign and force the board to bring in a new man with more tactical knowledge, maybe he could stay on as a number 2?. |
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Post by juanveron on Oct 10, 2020 6:09:33 GMT
Ole doesn’t strike me as an unintelligent fellow, he knows that after losing 1:6 to Tottenham results must immediately improve.
My only hope is that there is something behind the freak run once the league resumed last season. That things will click again and that we could hope for some positive football.
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Post by Stretty on Oct 10, 2020 6:19:31 GMT
Well, our defence is not very good really. The defence is adequate if coached in the correct manner, Ole is not up to the job and i is clear to see. Once these internationals are out of the way he had better get results fast and if we lose or even only draw against Newcastle, if he really still thinks anything about the club he must surely resign and force the board to bring in a new man with more tactical knowledge, maybe he could stay on as a number 2?.why? |
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Post by Karma on Oct 10, 2020 21:24:44 GMT
Well Mark Hughes thinks a good European tournament should give Giggs a chance of a shot at the job according to the latest reports.
That’s the ex failed manager at Stoke , City and QPR.
Let’s hope this obsession with giving old boys a shot ends with Solskaer.
Some of these ex players needing gagging for the good of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 22:44:41 GMT
Well Mark Hughes thinks a good European tournament should give Giggs a chance of a shot at the job according to the latest reports. That’s the ex failed manager at Stoke , City and QPR. Let’s hope this obsession with giving old boys a shot ends with Solskaer. Some of these ex players needing gagging for the good of the club. One guy = Obsession. Riiiight... |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 10, 2020 23:26:02 GMT
Well Mark Hughes thinks a good European tournament should give Giggs a chance of a shot at the job according to the latest reports. That’s the ex failed manager at Stoke , City and QPR. Let’s hope this obsession with giving old boys a shot ends with Solskaer. Some of these ex players needing gagging for the good of the club. One guy = Obsession. Riiiight... Laurent Blanc turned down the caretaker's gig and some lunatics wanted to give Giggs the job at some point as well. Just because Ole is the only one to have actually been given the job doesn't mean there isn't a whiff of 'Liverpool's boot room' going on. |
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Post by RAZ on Oct 11, 2020 1:41:36 GMT
Well Mark Hughes thinks a good European tournament should give Giggs a chance of a shot at the job according to the latest reports. That’s the ex failed manager at Stoke , City and QPR. Let’s hope this obsession with giving old boys a shot ends with Solskaer. Some of these ex players needing gagging for the good of the club. obsession is really not the right word in this case, its bollocks. we tried it. also you make it sound like its a stupid idea in general, which might turn out to be the wrong decision in our case. but lets not make it sound like that idea in football is a dumb one. guardiola and zidane, just to name two out of many, show that this concept does work indeed with some clubs. dont get me wrong, i dont think ole is anywhere close enough as good a manager as guardiola or klopp are. but i cant agree with calling it an "obsession" and constantly calling it a stupid idea, because football history simply proves otherwise. and no, i dont want giggs. |
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Post by RAZ on Oct 11, 2020 1:42:58 GMT
to come back to the question/statement made in the thread title.
the way forward? just dissolve the club
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