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Post by Karma on Nov 4, 2020 22:19:41 GMT
Ole may not be the right man for the job, but the exact same thing happened during Jose’s time here. And many of the same players were involved. We lack leaders and strong characters in the squad. Organisation depends not only on the manager. We have no leadership whatsoever on the pitch This goes a lot deeper than that. There’s only so much you can level at the players and the Glazers. I’m struggling to think of one PL club who would swap their manager for ours especially considering the budget we have in comparison. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Nov 5, 2020 2:10:05 GMT
What is going on.
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Post by RAZ on Nov 5, 2020 3:54:53 GMT
you dont wanna know, move on. watch the future or better, rewatch the past. dont bother with the present. |
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Post by redcase on Nov 5, 2020 5:25:27 GMT
My opinion on Nagelsmann fell dramatically. If he's so good, how come he didn't realize the best way to beat United is to let us beat ourselves?
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Post by kstandhand on Nov 5, 2020 6:54:58 GMT
My opinion on Nagelsmann fell dramatically. If he's so good, how come he didn't realize the best way to beat United is to let us beat ourselves? Freak result that one,RB were arguably the better side for large chunks of the game. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 5, 2020 7:31:45 GMT
My opinion on Nagelsmann fell dramatically. If he's so good, how come he didn't realize the best way to beat United is to let us beat ourselves? Moyes beat us plenty of times at Everton. Remind me how that worked out again? |
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Post by redcase on Nov 5, 2020 7:34:49 GMT
My opinion on Nagelsmann fell dramatically. If he's so good, how come he didn't realize the best way to beat United is to let us beat ourselves? Moyes beat us plenty of times at Everton. Remind me how that worked out again? Being sarcastic mate.... |
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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 5, 2020 7:56:50 GMT
My opinion on Nagelsmann fell dramatically. If he's so good, how come he didn't realize the best way to beat United is to let us beat ourselves? It was a good performamce, we were clinical and defended properly. RB proved to be vastly overrated, some of there defending was appalling. |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 5, 2020 8:01:38 GMT
Genuinely think ole just picks the team and then tells them ‘you know what to do, go out and enjoy yourself’.
The man is a managerial liability at this level, yesterday was pathetic on all levels, players included but they are assets that can’t be sacked so therefore sorry but Ole has to go now.
If Poch has not signed a contract to start the job on Monday regardless of the Everton result, we are in serious trouble
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Post by keanosdog16 on Nov 5, 2020 8:09:55 GMT
He adds: "I'm begging that someone's in that changing room dragging people about or asking the question like 'are you for real?
"Do you know what's going on here? Who's accountable here?
"If someone's standing up and saying 'actually it was my fault' or digging someone out or pointing fingers. Surely it's happening. I pray to god it is."
"I hope Ole is doing that. Let alone all the players. I hope Ole is there, in front of people, over people, saying 'you are embarrassing yourself'."
"I just hope he's very animated in that dressing room because them players need a rocket."
Well said Rio but i highly doubt it, apart from Bruno maybe, i don't think anyone in that dressing room commands the respect of the players, utter fucking garbage. And if Ole keeps saying these players are good players, well if they're so good why are we playing like the fucking dog and duck! So it must be your fault Ole
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Post by kstandhand on Nov 5, 2020 8:45:44 GMT
Some of these TV Pundits are stealing livings,if they are not prepared to be brutally honest,just because it's their mate managing United,they should be asking to cover other matches,especially if they are that desperate for the Sky/BT match fees.
Last night RVP was the only one of four ex United players who alluded to the the fact that OGS may be slightly liable for the performances.
Keane,Scholes,Hargreaves,Neville & Rio (most of the time) happy to dig the players out,happy to say it's not good etc etc but when it comes down to it,of course it's not OGS's fault.
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Post by Karma on Nov 5, 2020 10:20:08 GMT
Genuinely think ole just picks the team and then tells them ‘you know what to do, go out and enjoy yourself’. The man is a managerial liability at this level, yesterday was pathetic on all levels, players included but they are assets that can’t be sacked so therefore sorry but Ole has to go now. If Poch has not signed a contract to start the job on Monday regardless of the Everton result, we are in serious trouble Why are you apologetic ? He’s shit, let’s move on. I’m more concerned about the being a laughing stock part and how bad this may get. At least with Moyes it wasn’t dragged out like this. One of the many reasons I was against this appointment. |
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Post by troubleontheway on Nov 5, 2020 10:22:44 GMT
This may be way off, but maybe our ex-players don't want to throw Ole under the bus because they only remember him as a player, and don't really know him as a coach.
When you've been in the most high-performance dressing room in football with a guy, with elite mentality being the norm, and won everything together, it must be hard to think that same ex-teammate could let standards slip this far as a manager. "I remember how hard he worked in training. I remember how high his standards were. How cutting he could be with his comments when we weren't playing well. Surely he's laying into these players."
Love them all, but what qualifies these ex-players to comment on what's required of a manager, apart from the generic 'attitude' and 'standards', etc.?
Rio can definitely pinpoint all the glaring issues with our defence. Scholesy can spot the issues in our midfield.
But they're looking at symptoms, not the cause.
Sir Alex built an entire system of running a football club from the ground up that led to that dominant period in our history. These ex-players were just cogs in that machine, so they only have their own limited ideas about what it was that made them successful.
Sir Alex was unique in the sense that he was the designer of the system as well as the orchestrator, for decades. That is too big a job for one man nowadays.
Which is a long way to say, yes, Ole is very limited as a manager and not the right man for the job, but until we have a new system in place with a DoF that is ready to compete in the modern football world, no manager alone is going to change things at this club.
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Post by kstandhand on Nov 5, 2020 10:48:46 GMT
This may be way off, but maybe our ex-players don't want to throw Ole under the bus because they only remember him as a player, and don't really know him as a coach. When you've been in the most high-performance dressing room in football with a guy, with elite mentality being the norm, and won everything together, it must be hard to think that same ex-teammate could let standards slip this far as a manager. "I remember how hard he worked in training. I remember how high his standards were. How cutting he could be with his comments when we weren't playing well. Surely he's laying into these players." Love them all, but what qualifies these ex-players to comment on what's required of a manager, apart from the generic 'attitude' and 'standards', etc.? Rio can definitely pinpoint all the glaring issues with our defence. Scholesy can spot the issues in our midfield. But they're looking at symptoms, not the cause. Sir Alex built an entire system of running a football club from the ground up that led to that dominant period in our history. These ex-players were just cogs in that machine, so they only have their own limited ideas about what it was that made them successful. Sir Alex was unique in the sense that he was the designer of the system as well as the orchestrator, for decades. That is too big a job for one man nowadays. Which is a long way to say, yes, Ole is very limited as a manager and not the right man for the job, but until we have a new system in place with a DoF that is ready to compete in the modern football world, no manager alone is going to change things at this club. But a better coach/manager with a better group of staff,can & would get more out of this group of players. The change now has to come & quickly,last night it was very obvious that players shave downed tools. |
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Post by troubleontheway on Nov 5, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
This may be way off, but maybe our ex-players don't want to throw Ole under the bus because they only remember him as a player, and don't really know him as a coach. When you've been in the most high-performance dressing room in football with a guy, with elite mentality being the norm, and won everything together, it must be hard to think that same ex-teammate could let standards slip this far as a manager. "I remember how hard he worked in training. I remember how high his standards were. How cutting he could be with his comments when we weren't playing well. Surely he's laying into these players." Love them all, but what qualifies these ex-players to comment on what's required of a manager, apart from the generic 'attitude' and 'standards', etc.? Rio can definitely pinpoint all the glaring issues with our defence. Scholesy can spot the issues in our midfield. But they're looking at symptoms, not the cause. Sir Alex built an entire system of running a football club from the ground up that led to that dominant period in our history. These ex-players were just cogs in that machine, so they only have their own limited ideas about what it was that made them successful. Sir Alex was unique in the sense that he was the designer of the system as well as the orchestrator, for decades. That is too big a job for one man nowadays. Which is a long way to say, yes, Ole is very limited as a manager and not the right man for the job, but until we have a new system in place with a DoF that is ready to compete in the modern football world, no manager alone is going to change things at this club. But a better coach/manager with a better group of staff,can & would get more out of this group of players. The change now has to come & quickly,last night it was very obvious that players shave downed tools. Agree with you. Short term improvement will come from a better manager and backroom staff. Longer term success, however, and getting back to our title winning ways will take a much larger revamp. |
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