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Post by Stew on Dec 3, 2020 8:54:06 GMT
I just checked. O’Shea and Evans were both on the bench. Okay. Although, up against Ribery, in all fairness they'd get shred. I'd argue Fergies persistence, while wrong, was due to the fact that the options would have gotten mullered by their wing pace. So, now it’s no longer having options but the type of options? Despite the fact O’Shea deservedly started the previous years final? Seems a lot of bending to suit the narrative, sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 9:07:25 GMT
You come off worse with each post. If the ref gets it right Fred is off in the first half. There was also a stamp in the first half and he was running round like a mad head at times. Generally, if a player is booked, you keep him on and carry on, but you could tell he was going to go at some point. Like others have said, the referee sees at half time that he should have sent him off and he's looking for any reason after, so take him out the firing line. It's not like he offers much anyway. Absolutely agree with the last bit. And I blame Ole for keeping playing him and Martial. Thankfully, the penny has dropped regarding Pogba (one would hope) |
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 3, 2020 9:14:47 GMT
Drawing any kind of comparison to anything SAF did or did not is nonsense,as managers they cannot be mentioned in the same conversation. Rubbish. The other poster said No top manager would make the kind of mistake Ole did last night. Probably the greatest manager of all time did exactly the same thing. In a far more important game. Ole was daft doing what he did last night, clearly. I was one of those that said Donny needed to come on at HT. No one can argue that. I'm sorry Stew,on this occasion I politely disagree with you & I stand my original point,there is no wriggle room with OGS,he has achieved nothing worthy of any note as a manager. You can not compare a Vintage Bentley with a fucked Dacia that has failed the MOT & needs to dumped on the scrap heap! |
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Post by Stew on Dec 3, 2020 9:16:27 GMT
If Herrera hadn’t acted like a prick and let’s call it like it is, cheated, we’d have rightly hailed Fred for his disciplined second half showing. He was instrumental in our dominance for large parts of that half.
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Post by Stew on Dec 3, 2020 9:19:11 GMT
Rubbish. The other poster said No top manager would make the kind of mistake Ole did last night. Probably the greatest manager of all time did exactly the same thing. In a far more important game. Ole was daft doing what he did last night, clearly. I was one of those that said Donny needed to come on at HT. No one can argue that. I'm sorry Stew,on this occasion I politely disagree with you & I stand my original point,there is no wriggle room with OGS,he has achieved nothing worthy of any note as a manager. You can not compare a Vintage Bentley with a fucked Dacia that has failed the MOT & needs to dumped on the scrap heap! Obviously talent-wise there is no comparison. But they both made the same mistake. |
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 3, 2020 9:19:13 GMT
If Herrera hadn’t acted like a prick and let’s call it like it is, cheated, we’d have rightly hailed Fred for his disciplined second half showing. He was instrumental in our dominance for large parts of that half. The thing is Stew, we all knew that Herrera & his new mates are the kings of shit housing what happened,happend exactly as they wanted it too...OGS was just not aware enough to see it happening before him. |
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Post by Stew on Dec 3, 2020 9:19:54 GMT
If Herrera hadn’t acted like a prick and let’s call it like it is, cheated, we’d have rightly hailed Fred for his disciplined second half showing. He was instrumental in our dominance for large parts of that half. The thing is Stew, we all knew that Herrera & his new mates are the kings of shit housing what happened,happend exactly as they wanted it too...OGS was just not aware enough to see it happening before him. This I agree with. |
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 3, 2020 9:20:43 GMT
I'm sorry Stew,on this occasion I politely disagree with you & I stand my original point,there is no wriggle room with OGS,he has achieved nothing worthy of any note as a manager. You can not compare a Vintage Bentley with a fucked Dacia that has failed the MOT & needs to dumped on the scrap heap! Obviously talent-wise there is no comparison. But they both made the same mistake. One had built up plenty of credit,to get the occasional thing wrong,the other... you know my thoughts on him. |
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 3, 2020 9:36:28 GMT
Solskjær: ‘You can't really put your finger on the deciding factors...
‘We didn’t deserve to lose.’
His own words,he can't workout why we got beat last night
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Post by redcase on Dec 3, 2020 9:36:41 GMT
Okay. Although, up against Ribery, in all fairness they'd get shred. I'd argue Fergies persistence, while wrong, was due to the fact that the options would have gotten mullered by their wing pace. So, now it’s no longer having options but the type of options? Despite the fact O’Shea deservedly started the previous years final? Seems a lot of bending to suit the narrative, sorry. No mate, I don't disagree with you. They both were wrong. I was merely offering some kind of explanation. Both were wrong and that is my position from the start. |
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Post by Stew on Dec 3, 2020 9:57:58 GMT
So, now it’s no longer having options but the type of options? Despite the fact O’Shea deservedly started the previous years final? Seems a lot of bending to suit the narrative, sorry. No mate, I don't disagree with you. They both were wrong. I was merely offering some kind of explanation. Both were wrong and that is my position from the start. Fair enough. And I certainly think Ole made a serious error last night. |
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Post by alt on Dec 3, 2020 15:17:02 GMT
As good as Rashford can be, for me, he still has a huge amount to improve upon if he is going to be an automatic starter once we've signed one or two more-top class attacking players. I disagree. Rashford is an excellent player imo and will only get better. He’s just 23. He is, and age does play a big factor, as his biggest issue at the moment is consistency. It also doesn't help when he's playing in a team where he's sort of the main man already. Stick him in a side like Spurs where you have Kane and Son by his side and then them big misses and below-par performances aren't nearly as noticeable. Still, you'd hope in the next year or two he really pushes on and we start to see more consistency and more clinical finishing. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Dec 3, 2020 21:30:34 GMT
So, let me get this straight. Ole set us up and completely battered last seasons finalists but he’s this that and the other because he didn’t take Fred off at HT? Are people overlooking the fact that it was as poor a sending off as Nani’s vs Madrid? Or are you suggesting Ole should’ve known that Fred wouldn’t commit a foul but still be yellow carded? What about criticizing Fred for almost getting sent off in the first place? Or Martial and the rest of the forwards for missing umpteen chances (which has happened on here but as a caveat to the Ole’s fault jab.) And to suggest that bc RoM was screaming for Fred to be taken off, we’re some sort of soothsayers is quite laughable considering some of the utter tripe we post on here that in fact does not come true. I’m pissed bc we battered them and couldn’t take our chances, and usually when you do that in Europe against a good side, you get sucker punched. Which we did. Had we taken chances nothing Fred did after it was 3-2 would’ve mattered. Why are you always here to defend him? Everybody criticized Fred, everybody laid in on Martial. Have a look at the comments in the last 15 pages. The players received lot of stick. But the manager was absolutely stupid to not see what was coming. Every PSG player was trying to get Fred sent off and he should have been subbed off at HT that's rudimentary. Because if given the choice between defending a club legend, our board or a collection of players who down tools at the first sign of adversity, I’ll defend Ole. Because the managerial position is the least of our worries and the least culpable for our inability to consistently produce results that lead to trophies. The more attention given to the manager is less attention given to Ed/Joel Glazer and the squad they have cobbled together and refuse to strengthen until they hire a new manager after we drop out of the top 4. And that’s not just Ole, that’s any manager we hire. Because people hoping Ole fails just so Ed/the players can knife him in the back and replace him with the next victim disgusts me. Because if you replace Ole with any manager you want in world football, we will be in this same position in 2 seasons. Because he is remaking the squad as quickly as coherently as his puppet masters will allow, and progress is being made. Because not every little thing that goes wrong is his fault. |
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Post by Paul on Dec 3, 2020 23:23:06 GMT
Very confusing seeing this game sticky'd btw  |
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Post by redcase on Dec 4, 2020 4:08:12 GMT
Why are you always here to defend him? Everybody criticized Fred, everybody laid in on Martial. Have a look at the comments in the last 15 pages. The players received lot of stick. But the manager was absolutely stupid to not see what was coming. Every PSG player was trying to get Fred sent off and he should have been subbed off at HT that's rudimentary. Because if given the choice between defending a club legend, our board or a collection of players who down tools at the first sign of adversity, I’ll defend Ole. Because the managerial position is the least of our worries and the least culpable for our inability to consistently produce results that lead to trophies. The more attention given to the manager is less attention given to Ed/Joel Glazer and the squad they have cobbled together and refuse to strengthen until they hire a new manager after we drop out of the top 4. And that’s not just Ole, that’s any manager we hire. Because people hoping Ole fails just so Ed/the players can knife him in the back and replace him with the next victim disgusts me. Because if you replace Ole with any manager you want in world football, we will be in this same position in 2 seasons. Because he is remaking the squad as quickly as coherently as his puppet masters will allow, and progress is being made. Because not every little thing that goes wrong is his fault. Great speech, but what happened yesterday was 100% his fault. Doubt the Glazers called him and told him to keep Fred on. |
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