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Post by Paul on Jan 7, 2021 18:02:25 GMT
May just be me here and I'm sure it'll upset a few with this but I really don't think Maguire is as bad as people make him out to be.
Its hardly his fault he was bought for an obscene amount of money.
Does he deserve the armband? No, it was given to him on the basis we had no other real options at the time. I think it would do him good not having the responsibility and pressure of it aswell.
I just think he needs a better partner at the back, whether that's Bailly or Axel or bringing somebody else in. Thats not knocking Lindelof either I just think they're too similar and dont compliment each other well enough.
He does make some odd mistakes but generally he's solid defensively. My main gripe is from set prices, a head like his he should be netting close to double figures a season with the chances he has.
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Post by oscared on Jan 7, 2021 18:17:34 GMT
Maguire looks much better with Bailly, I know Maguire isn’t great but we should have walked away from that stupid price tag.
Lindelof is even worse though, by far the bigger problem in my opinion, he sets in concrete when the ball is put across the box and is the worst CB Iv ever seen dealing with set pieces, he’s not good enough.
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Post by Kojak on Jan 7, 2021 18:27:53 GMT
Really can’t understand why McTominay gets so much game time. A squad player. Fred has improved but needs a better player next to him. Should’ve known you’d pipe up again after a bad result. Fergie deployed players like Scott in midfield too, particularly in big games. Ole plays him because he’s shown up in big games in the past. The likes of Fletcher were derided on this forum in the past in the exact same way (by myself too) but they proved valuable to the team. Phil Neville was another one who did a job in midfield in some huge games. Phil Jones away in Madrid is another occasion I remember. Ultimately Scott works hard and presses to win the ball back, as does Fred. Granted it didn’t work last night, but for me we’ve played better football with those two behind Bruno than when Matic and Pogba, two supposedly better players, were behind Bruno.
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Post by Stew on Jan 7, 2021 19:53:04 GMT
Maguire looks much better with Bailly, I know Maguire isn’t great but we should have walked away from that stupid price tag. Lindelof is even worse though, by far the bigger problem in my opinion, he sets in concrete when the ball is put across the box and is the worst CB Iv ever seen dealing with set pieces, he’s not good enough. I agree. I actually don’t think Maguire is that bad, bar attacking set pieces. But Lindelof is a travesty of a CB, the worst regular starter at the position I can recall in 40 years. David May was pig shit but at least could get stuck in.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jan 7, 2021 20:31:45 GMT
Maguire looks much better with Bailly, I know Maguire isn’t great but we should have walked away from that stupid price tag. Lindelof is even worse though, by far the bigger problem in my opinion, he sets in concrete when the ball is put across the box and is the worst CB Iv ever seen dealing with set pieces, he’s not good enough. I agree. I actually don’t think Maguire is that bad, bar attacking set pieces. But Lindelof is a travesty of a CB, the worst regular starter at the position I can recall in 40 years. David May was pig shit but at least could get stuck in. I watched the first goal again and it looks like Lindelof was at fault. He let the ball through, which Im sure surprised Maguire who had no time to react. If Bailly was in the exact same spot as Lindelof it would’ve been cleared, no problem.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 7, 2021 20:48:18 GMT
Maguire looks much better with Bailly, I know Maguire isn’t great but we should have walked away from that stupid price tag. Lindelof is even worse though, by far the bigger problem in my opinion, he sets in concrete when the ball is put across the box and is the worst CB Iv ever seen dealing with set pieces, he’s not good enough. I agree. I actually don’t think Maguire is that bad, bar attacking set pieces. But Lindelof is a travesty of a CB, the worst regular starter at the position I can recall in 40 years. David May was pig shit but at least could get stuck in. You're all deluding yourselves. Dislike Lindelof all you wish but Maguire is fucking shite.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 7, 2021 20:51:05 GMT
I agree. I actually don’t think Maguire is that bad, bar attacking set pieces. But Lindelof is a travesty of a CB, the worst regular starter at the position I can recall in 40 years. David May was pig shit but at least could get stuck in. I watched the first goal again and it looks like Lindelof was at fault. He let the ball through, which Im sure surprised Maguire who had no time to react. If Bailly was in the exact same spot as Lindelof it would’ve been cleared, no problem. It came past Lindelof at knee level. At least he stuck out a leg despite the awkward angle. Maguire watched the ball come all the way across - incidentally one of the only things he is good at - and let it roll by him. Utterly pathetic.
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Post by Karma on Jan 7, 2021 21:37:52 GMT
Really can’t understand why McTominay gets so much game time. A squad player. Fred has improved but needs a better player next to him. Should’ve known you’d pipe up again after a bad result. Fergie deployed players like Scott in midfield too, particularly in big games. Ole plays him because he’s shown up in big games in the past. The likes of Fletcher were derided on this forum in the past in the exact same way (by myself too) but they proved valuable to the team. Phil Neville was another one who did a job in midfield in some huge games. Phil Jones away in Madrid is another occasion I remember. Ultimately Scott works hard and presses to win the ball back, as does Fred. Granted it didn’t work last night, but for me we’ve played better football with those two behind Bruno than when Matic and Pogba, two supposedly better players, were behind Bruno. Because I can’t win. If I comment after a good result I get accused of finding something negative to focus on. After a bad result it’s “oh you’re back”. Meanwhile we still have fans on here with their heads cemented firmly in the sand. I’ve never flip flopped. We’re treading water while many on here are collecting top red points and shamelessly dining out on it. Referring back to Fergie to defend 4 failed semi finals is as desperate as it gets. As for Phil Neville, above average player who was lucky his brother was Gary.
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Post by Kojak on Jan 7, 2021 21:38:41 GMT
I agree. I actually don’t think Maguire is that bad, bar attacking set pieces. But Lindelof is a travesty of a CB, the worst regular starter at the position I can recall in 40 years. David May was pig shit but at least could get stuck in. You're all deluding yourselves. Dislike Lindelof all you wish but Maguire is fucking shite. It’s a toss up between the two of them for me. Lindelof is the worst header of the ball I’ve ever seen as a CB. Out-jumped by literally everyone. On the other hand, Maguire is a tugboat and a captain with no organisational or leadership skills whatsoever. He’s flummoxed by literally everything. Put Steve Bruce or Vida in the attacking positions he’s had this season from set pieces and they’re on ten goals already, minimum.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 8, 2021 14:42:17 GMT
I’m inclined to say that Lindelof is worse, but that’s damning Maguire with faint praise. Whenever a ball comes over the top, both CBs seem to be standing at the penalty spot, marking nobody and get caught under the ball, leaving an attacker at the back post unmarked. Either we’ve got a zonal marking scheme going and AWB and Shaw’s lack of positional sense is making them look worse than they are, or they have no clue where to be and whom to mark (especially at set pieces), or they’re bottling it. Drives me insane bc it happens all the bloody time.
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Post by oscared on Jan 8, 2021 18:30:38 GMT
Maguire is shit but he can play with Bailly which works ok, Lindelof is shit with anyone next to him.
Guardiola is a good manager and saw that if City got a few set pieces it would be easy to score and it was.
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Post by Tinker on Jan 8, 2021 18:37:01 GMT
I watched the first goal again and it looks like Lindelof was at fault. He let the ball through, which Im sure surprised Maguire who had no time to react. If Bailly was in the exact same spot as Lindelof it would’ve been cleared, no problem. It came past Lindelof at knee level. At least he stuck out a leg despite the awkward angle. Maguire watched the ball come all the way across - incidentally one of the only things he is good at - and let it roll by him. Utterly pathetic. What I'm surprised at is no one blaming Shaw for his part in that goal. I played full back for years and never would've let the player in that situation allow to get goal side of me. Yes Maguire was expected to cut the ball out but Shaw standing behind Stones was doing feck all.
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Post by Paul on Jan 8, 2021 20:48:19 GMT
Maguire is far from shit. Problem is people dislike certain players which must automatically mean they're shit, doesnt work that way. Maguire needs a player alongside him with different attributes. Axel and Bailly have proved to work much better than with Lindelof. Stats between him and Van Dijk last season. Not much difference between the two. My main gripe with Maguire is with attacking set pieces.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 8, 2021 21:12:31 GMT
Maguire is far from shit. Problem is people dislike certain players which must automatically mean they're shit, doesnt work that way. Maguire needs a player alongside him with different attributes. Axel and Bailly have proved to work much better than with Lindelof. Stats between him and Van Dijk last season. Not much difference between the two. My main gripe with Maguire is with attacking set pieces. The problem is some people look at stats and cling to them like they are the be-all and end-all. The reality is what people see with their own two eyes. And that's regardless of liking or disliking Maguire he is absolutely shit. It's like pointing at that 'Expected goals' nonsense like it has any relevance in the real world. EDIT: "Errors leading to goals = 0" ...
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Post by Paul on Jan 9, 2021 0:32:16 GMT
Maguire is far from shit. Problem is people dislike certain players which must automatically mean they're shit, doesnt work that way. Maguire needs a player alongside him with different attributes. Axel and Bailly have proved to work much better than with Lindelof. Stats between him and Van Dijk last season. Not much difference between the two. My main gripe with Maguire is with attacking set pieces. The problem is some people look at stats and cling to them like they are the be-all and end-all. The reality is what people see with their own two eyes. And that's regardless of liking or disliking Maguire he is absolutely shit. It's like pointing at that 'Expected goals' nonsense like it has any relevance in the real world. EDIT: "Errors leading to goals = 0" ... Although I stand by my point about him not being shit, not just basing it on stats I was just proving a point with them, I didnt see the errors bit mind, that bit aint right. Plus I agree with the expected goals stat. The most pointless thing ever brought into football.
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