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Post by Stew on Jan 31, 2021 13:09:29 GMT
That’s the problem. My point isn’t that Ole is blameless or that Ed picks the side, it’s that Ed/Joel’s criminal mismanagement of the transfer window(s) has real consequences on the pitch, which we’re seeing rear their ugly heads now. This excuse is applicable probably to the Liverpool draw. It is absolutely not applicable to the shitshow against Sheffield and the borefest that was last evening. It’s applicable to every single game we play this season. We had two major transfer needs this summer and Woodward failed to deliver either of them. The team is hamstrung before it hits the pitch each match. Ole clealry isn’t the best man for the job, by any stretch, but I have sympathy for him. He was sold a pup.
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Post by Stew on Jan 31, 2021 13:11:35 GMT
That’s the problem. My point isn’t that Ole is blameless or that Ed picks the side, it’s that Ed/Joel’s criminal mismanagement of the transfer window(s) has real consequences on the pitch, which we’re seeing rear their ugly heads now. No amount of signings could make up a mid-level manager who cannot implement an effective/consistent style and approach to games. The likes of Sancho would just become another player who we pile the pressure on to produce that moment of magic to get us out the shit. I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jan 31, 2021 13:29:08 GMT
That’s the problem. My point isn’t that Ole is blameless or that Ed picks the side, it’s that Ed/Joel’s criminal mismanagement of the transfer window(s) has real consequences on the pitch, which we’re seeing rear their ugly heads now. No amount of signings could make up a mid-level manager who cannot implement an effective/consistent style and approach to games. The likes of Sancho would just become another player who we pile the pressure on to produce that moment of magic to get us out the shit. My feelings exactly. He would improve this squad but there is no guarantee that Sancho eats up this league with Ole at the helm. Even so, our right hand side is the least of our worries. We need a centre halve and a proper midfield player. This need to play two holding players makes us one dimensional.
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Post by alt on Jan 31, 2021 13:32:20 GMT
Don’t think VdB would’ve made any difference today, but on the whole, I think more rotation would help in times like this. Not so much to rest players, which wouldn’t hurt, but to keep the squad hungry and fresh and to send a msg to the regulars that if they don’t perform, someone else is gunning for your spot. Not today, but playing van de Beek more to rest Bruno more definitely would help. This is one of my biggest issues with Ole right now. He's become so reliant on him, that even when he's having a terrible game, he's so reluctant to take him off unless the game is won. It's just not viable long term and if he ends up injured, we'll be fucked when we expect the likes of vdB to come in and replace him when he's had a grand total of 257 fucking minutes in 21 games this season, 7 of which have come in January.
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Post by alt on Jan 31, 2021 13:54:13 GMT
No amount of signings could make up a mid-level manager who cannot implement an effective/consistent style and approach to games. The likes of Sancho would just become another player who we pile the pressure on to produce that moment of magic to get us out the shit. I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I don't disagree with that. My comment was a little tongue in cheek, but what I really meant was that had we added say Sancho and a CB in the summer as well, it wouldn't have made much difference. When you haven't got a collection of brilliant players, you need a coach that can make up for it, we simply haven't got that.
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Post by Stretty on Jan 31, 2021 14:48:28 GMT
I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I don't disagree with that. My comment was a little tongue in cheek, but what I really meant was that had we added say Sancho and a CB in the summer as well, it wouldn't have made much difference. When you haven't got a collection of brilliant players, you need a coach that can make up for it, we simply haven't got that. yep anyone on here can pick what seems to be our best 11 every week and you don’t need to pay someone 7 million a year to do that. our defenders look like they’ve met for the first time each game and ship soft goals week in week out (despite spending near 150 million pounds on it)plus bar counter attacking we don’t seem to offer much else. oles in game management,subs and squad rotation are all poor(those 3 issues alone must be 3/4 of a managers job)
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Post by Tatty on Jan 31, 2021 14:50:49 GMT
No amount of signings could make up a mid-level manager who cannot implement an effective/consistent style and approach to games. The likes of Sancho would just become another player who we pile the pressure on to produce that moment of magic to get us out the shit. I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I think this season is showing Zidane isn’t a particularly great manager. Though I assume he’ll get the Juve and French jobs at some point in the future. We’ll see how good Enrique is at the Euros this summer, should they go ahead.
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Post by gdmm on Jan 31, 2021 18:29:55 GMT
That’s the problem. My point isn’t that Ole is blameless or that Ed picks the side, it’s that Ed/Joel’s criminal mismanagement of the transfer window(s) has real consequences on the pitch, which we’re seeing rear their ugly heads now. This excuse is applicable probably to the Liverpool draw. It is absolutely not applicable to the shitshow against Sheffield and the borefest that was last evening. To a degree it is. It's obvious the manager doesn't see that defence as a solid unit, hence playing a couple of defensive mids to shield them. That said, he needs to decide what his first choice back four is and fucking stick with it.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 31, 2021 18:58:57 GMT
I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I think this season is showing Zidane isn’t a particularly great manager. Though I assume he’ll get the Juve and French jobs at some point in the future. We’ll see how good Enrique is at the Euros this summer, should they go ahead. I also think international football increasingly doesn't show the quality of a manager. There's a reason none of the true big name managers have even considered managing an international team for the past decade-plus now. Not enough time to work with the players, and not enough ways for managers to influence the team. If Enrique was really a good manager, he wouldn't be there in the first place.
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Post by gdmm on Jan 31, 2021 18:59:23 GMT
This sums up things pretty well:
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Post by Kamilo on Jan 31, 2021 19:54:16 GMT
I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I think this season is showing Zidane isn’t a particularly great manager. Though I assume he’ll get the Juve and French jobs at some point in the future. We’ll see how good Enrique is at the Euros this summer, should they go ahead. When history shows he won the CL three years in a row there should be an asterisk indicating he had Ronaldo in the side.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 1, 2021 5:48:22 GMT
I think this season is showing Zidane isn’t a particularly great manager. Though I assume he’ll get the Juve and French jobs at some point in the future. We’ll see how good Enrique is at the Euros this summer, should they go ahead. When history shows he won the CL three years in a row there should be an asterisk indicating he had Ronaldo in the side. Not just Ronaldo, that team was filled with matchwinners and quality all round , Zidane could just tell go and do your stuff and they would have won 9 out of 10 times
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Post by mightyez on Feb 1, 2021 6:53:32 GMT
No amount of signings could make up a mid-level manager who cannot implement an effective/consistent style and approach to games. The likes of Sancho would just become another player who we pile the pressure on to produce that moment of magic to get us out the shit. I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I think he is probably referencing us. That Chelsea team was full of leaders they managed themselves. Few teams can do that. Peak Barcelona like you mention, were another team that could manage themselves. We don’t have enough leaders, too many passive players therefore the need for off the field management is crucial to what we do on it. I have always been of the opinion our manager is better suited to the DOF role. This season has been decent but we need the killer instinct to see games out, score more goals, beat teams that we should be beating, beat the bigger teams when they are out of form and there for the taking, we simply haven’t done it. The happy hour lucky interviews annoy me, team selection does too. Happy to see how it goes but we seen more likely to let others lack of form dictate our destiny rather than us playing to the ability the team has individually and collectively.
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Post by mightyez on Feb 1, 2021 6:58:11 GMT
Just on Zidane my opinion is mixed. I feel for him on one hand because I think the squad is old and overhyped but on the other hand he clearly is not able to bring through the younger players and show that he can build something.
Modric getting another deal is crazy, Marcelo is finished, hazard has been pathetic, casimero hit And miss, varane way below par the list can go on. If they think mbappe is the answer they are in real trouble as they need more than him right now.
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Post by Karma on Feb 1, 2021 10:02:46 GMT
I disagree Alt. Avram Grant nearly won Chelsea the double. He was a shite manager in charge of a fantastic team. No one has any idea if Zidane or Luis Enrique are actually talented at their jobs because they were both given a collection of brilliant players. I think he is probably referencing us. That Chelsea team was full of leaders they managed themselves. Few teams can do that. Peak Barcelona like you mention, were another team that could manage themselves. We don’t have enough leaders, too many passive players therefore the need for off the field management is crucial to what we do on it. I have always been of the opinion our manager is better suited to the DOF role. This season has been decent but we need the killer instinct to see games out, score more goals, beat teams that we should be beating, beat the bigger teams when they are out of form and there for the taking, we simply haven’t done it. The happy hour lucky interviews annoy me, team selection does too. Happy to see how it goes but we seen more likely to let others lack of form dictate our destiny rather than us playing to the ability the team has individually and collectively. Absolutely not. Sold his only striker without a replacement and put his eggs in the Rashford and Martial basket. Made our defence worse while spending a fortune. James Ighalo Maguire All dreadful transfers. Jury is still out on AWB. Donny and Telles never play so I’ll reserve judgment on them. Cavani was a last minute punt. Why can’t we just do what every other club does with poor managers? Just cut lose permanently.
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