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Post by Stretty on Mar 15, 2021 6:20:57 GMT
Rashford is so frustrating. If he scores on this easy misses, he’s pushing 30 goals, which puts him on the short list for the ballon d’or. He is one step away from being genuinely world class. Yup. He has everything in his locker, just finishing not there. He's still young but he's not a teenager anymore, he'll be 24 later this year and he really needs to be getting that improvement in his game sooner rather than later. Every single match day thread you will see "FFS Rashford" or some variation there of. That's not good enough. I think being a top finisher is just one of those skills you either have it(RVN,RVP etc.)or you don't and while rashford can improve slightly I just think that he will always have that inconsistency in his game.
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Post by Stretty on Mar 15, 2021 6:35:06 GMT
True. In fairness we do have a lot of injuries to players who can help (Pogba and Cavani particularly) but we’ve been struggling with breaking teams down all year. That stat when we were the top scorers for a while felt false, embellished by 15 goals against Leeds and Soton. We all know we need another game changer. We all also know we won’t get one. This , just look at our creative players - we have a lot of potential , but in terms of really world class players there is one player Bruno and may be pogba (injured or lacking fitness for most of this season). Rashford blows hot and cold , Martial in the worst form of his life, then we have 35 year old injury prone Cavani and 2 kids Greenwood and Amad diallo. No way it is good enough for a team like United.
for the fans no but for the glazers yes. I can see cavani going to South America and the club just getting another short term fix(another cavani)that will just be good enough for a CL spot. they won’t invest to actually challenge city and maybe Chelsea next season or win the CL as the return is not worth the outlay.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 15, 2021 7:25:07 GMT
Yup. He has everything in his locker, just finishing not there. He's still young but he's not a teenager anymore, he'll be 24 later this year and he really needs to be getting that improvement in his game sooner rather than later. Every single match day thread you will see "FFS Rashford" or some variation there of. That's not good enough. I think being a top finisher is just one of those skills you either have it(RVN,RVP etc.)or you don't and while rashford can improve slightly I just think that he will always have that inconsistency in his game. Ronaldo was also a frustrating player when he started out , look at him now. Rashford have the ability , he scores some top class goals its the simple ones he needs to work on. Same with Martial. I dont see any reason he wont be able to do it if he puts enough hours in training daily
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Post by redcase on Mar 15, 2021 8:34:14 GMT
I think being a top finisher is just one of those skills you either have it(RVN,RVP etc.)or you don't and while rashford can improve slightly I just think that he will always have that inconsistency in his game. Ronaldo was also a frustrating player when he started out , look at him now. Rashford have the ability , he scores some top class goals its the simple ones he needs to work on. Same with Martial. I dont see any reason he wont be able to do it if he puts enough hours in training daily If you are comparing Ronaldo and Rashford, in any way shape or form - just stop. He does not have even 50% of the ability that Ronaldo had when he transferred to United. Ronaldo had an attitude problem which the legends knocked out of him, talent wise he was generational already at that age. It would be just unfair to Rashford if you or any fans has that level of expectation from him. And that other gent is 100% correct - finishers are born natural, it's very rare that practice and coaching fixes that and it's naive to assume Martial and Rashford will turn into world beaters with training. You have to have that instinct within you.
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Post by Kojak on Mar 15, 2021 9:16:46 GMT
Ronaldo was also a frustrating player when he started out , look at him now. Rashford have the ability , he scores some top class goals its the simple ones he needs to work on. Same with Martial. I dont see any reason he wont be able to do it if he puts enough hours in training daily If you are comparing Ronaldo and Rashford, in any way shape or form - just stop. He does not have even 50% of the ability that Ronaldo had when he transferred to United. Ronaldo had an attitude problem which the legends knocked out of him, talent wise he was generational already at that age. It would be just unfair to Rashford if you or any fans has that level of expectation from him. And that other gent is 100% correct - finishers are born natural, it's very rare that practice and coaching fixes that and it's naive to assume Martial and Rashford will turn into world beaters with training. You have to have that instinct within you. Not saying Rashford had the same level of talent Ronaldo had, but if you’re saying Rashford now doesn’t have 50% of the ability Ronaldo had when he signed, you’re wrong. Rashford is a better player right now than Ronaldo was when we bought him. Not aware of any attitude problem Ronaldo had either. Don’t get me wrong, I still don’t agree with the comparison between the two. I think Ronaldo by Rashford’s age had already kicked on and become tremendous. Worth noting though that Ronaldo was not a natural finisher either, but he’d picked it up by the age Rashford’s at. But again, we shouldn’t be comparing anyone to Ronnie really. I agree with the natural finisher thing to a degree. There is an instinct that you either have or you don’t. But it’s wrong also to say that this area can’t be improved with coaching. There are countless examples of players becoming deadly as they progress throughout their careers. Van Persie wasn’t a deadly finisher his whole career. Granted he had injuries, but until his last 18 months at Arsenal, you wouldn’t have thought “that’s the clinical finisher that’s going to fire us to a Premier League title”. I can remember many people saying Wayne Rooney wasn’t a natural goal scorer. He used to get pegged with “a scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer”. But he still ended up scoring plenty. It was an aspect of his game he worked really hard on. Whether or not Rashford will be able to improve this area of his game, I don’t know. But he doesn’t need to suddenly morph into Ruud to succeed here. To be honest, if he spent some time learning to head a fucking ball he’d get 5 more goals a season minimum.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 15, 2021 9:32:47 GMT
Ronaldo was also a frustrating player when he started out , look at him now. Rashford have the ability , he scores some top class goals its the simple ones he needs to work on. Same with Martial. I dont see any reason he wont be able to do it if he puts enough hours in training daily If you are comparing Ronaldo and Rashford, in any way shape or form - just stop. He does not have even 50% of the ability that Ronaldo had when he transferred to United. Ronaldo had an attitude problem which the legends knocked out of him, talent wise he was generational already at that age. It would be just unfair to Rashford if you or any fans has that level of expectation from him. And that other gent is 100% correct - finishers are born natural, it's very rare that practice and coaching fixes that and it's naive to assume Martial and Rashford will turn into world beaters with training. You have to have that instinct within you. Well obviously Rashford is not in Roanldo's league in terms of ability ,very few are. I mean Ronaldo won Ballon dor at 23 while we still talk about 'potential' of our current lot. But any player can still work on his skills and sharpen them even if they dont have Messi/Ronaldo kind of talent. Listen to what Meulensteen said about their early days with Ronaldo , they specifically worked with him on a lot of aspects of his finishing and it showed.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 15, 2021 9:35:25 GMT
trainingground.guru/articles/meulensteen-how-to-polish-a-diamondAt the beginning of the 2007/8 season, the Dutchman was tasked with working particularly closely with Cristiano Ronaldo. “He was suspended for the first few games [after being sent off at Portsmouth], so every time the team went off I’d stay to work with him,” he remembers. “A lot of the time it was just me and him. We worked on his appreciation of scoring goals. “He always wanted to score the perfect goal, a 25-yarder into the top corner. I told him you will get in many more positions to score than that - and you can learn from the great scorers United have had, Law, Van Nistelrooy, Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer. “One of the main things was setting targets. Research has shown that people who set clear targets have a lot more success than those who don’t. I still remember the exchange we had at Carrington: ‘How many goals did you score last season?’ ‘23’. ‘Well, you should go for 40.’ ‘What?! Nearly double?’ ‘But you’ve never even practised finishing properly before.’ “With Mick [Phelan] and Carlos we set about the process of making him aware about his position and making him understand what to do in different positions. We did a lot of work on finishing from different angles. I had a format where I divided the penalty area into zones and you think about what to do in each of the different zones - lace kick, chip, inside foot, one touch or two, do you move into a different zone and so on.
“Then you break down the key elements of what makes a good finish. So now he's aware of position, the type of ball coming in, how he's going to receive it and the type of finish."The free kick was another one he started to work on. That was his idea. The only thing I said was, 'take a step to the side, so your approach is more natural with your leg.' We filmed it so he could see the difference and he developed and evolved it. He wanted to get better and put the practise in.” That season turned into a remarkable one for both Ronaldo and United. The Portuguese scored 42 goals in all competitions as the Reds retained the Premier League title and reclaimed the Champions League. Ronaldo, once regarded as an immature talent, captained United for the first time, won the European Golden Shoe and came runner-up in the Ballon D’Or to AC Milan's Kaka. Meulensteen says Ronaldo and United were a marriage made in heaven. “Ronaldo came to the right place at the right time in his career,” he insists. “First and foremost, because of Sir Alex Ferguson. He needed that strong figure to say, ‘I will make you better, trust me.’ “And it was a really strong dressing room - Scholes, Neville, Giggs, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic. Wow. They appreciated him and respected him and could see the potential. “And Ronaldo positioned himself brilliantly. There was no arrogance, he was just a hard-working kid. He was very confident, yes, but it was through his work that he showed everyone, ‘I want to be the best player in the world and I will help you too.’” Looking at the player Ronaldo became, it’s easy to forget the player he once was. “When he first came to United, as an 18-year-old, he could do a lot of things with the ball," Meulensteen says, "but they were not necessarily that functional. But when we worked with him he just bought into it, boom, because he could see it made him a more dangerous and complete player: the flick behinds, the changes of angles, the disguise. He became the whole package.”
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Mar 15, 2021 10:34:46 GMT
Potentially good news for a huge week: Solskjær: "We hope five of them will be back [against AC Milan]. David [De Gea] hopefully, Donny [Van de Beek], Edinson [Cavani], Paul [Pogba] maybe and Anthony [Martial] hopefully - yeah, he's very likely to be back. Stronger squad to travel to Italy with." #mulive [mutv] Excellent news. Thursday is the biggest game of our season so far.
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Post by Stew on Mar 15, 2021 10:49:40 GMT
Potentially good news for a huge week: Solskjær: "We hope five of them will be back [against AC Milan]. David [De Gea] hopefully, Donny [Van de Beek], Edinson [Cavani], Paul [Pogba] maybe and Anthony [Martial] hopefully - yeah, he's very likely to be back. Stronger squad to travel to Italy with." #mulive [mutv] Excellent news. Thursday is the biggest game of our season so far. Absolutely agree. We’ve more or less clinched top 4 so now it’s about winning some bloody silverware. If the news about Ole’s contract is true then he’s obviously here for quite some time, in which case a trophy will be a massive boost to this group of players. It might even convince those bastards to spend a few quid in the summer. Ok the last bit is just silly but the rest I stand by.
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Post by johnboy14 on Mar 15, 2021 12:00:34 GMT
Do they reckon we are fucking stupid?
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Post by safariRed on Mar 15, 2021 13:12:45 GMT
Do they reckon we are fucking stupid? oh how far we have fallen.
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Post by redcase on Mar 15, 2021 13:47:12 GMT
If you are comparing Ronaldo and Rashford, in any way shape or form - just stop. He does not have even 50% of the ability that Ronaldo had when he transferred to United. Ronaldo had an attitude problem which the legends knocked out of him, talent wise he was generational already at that age. It would be just unfair to Rashford if you or any fans has that level of expectation from him. And that other gent is 100% correct - finishers are born natural, it's very rare that practice and coaching fixes that and it's naive to assume Martial and Rashford will turn into world beaters with training. You have to have that instinct within you. Not saying Rashford had the same level of talent Ronaldo had, but if you’re saying Rashford now doesn’t have 50% of the ability Ronaldo had when he signed, you’re wrong. Rashford is a better player right now than Ronaldo was when we bought him. Not aware of any attitude problem Ronaldo had either. Don’t get me wrong, I still don’t agree with the comparison between the two. I think Ronaldo by Rashford’s age had already kicked on and become tremendous. Worth noting though that Ronaldo was not a natural finisher either, but he’d picked it up by the age Rashford’s at. But again, we shouldn’t be comparing anyone to Ronnie really. I agree with the natural finisher thing to a degree. There is an instinct that you either have or you don’t. But it’s wrong also to say that this area can’t be improved with coaching. There are countless examples of players becoming deadly as they progress throughout their careers. Van Persie wasn’t a deadly finisher his whole career. Granted he had injuries, but until his last 18 months at Arsenal, you wouldn’t have thought “that’s the clinical finisher that’s going to fire us to a Premier League title”. I can remember many people saying Wayne Rooney wasn’t a natural goal scorer. He used to get pegged with “a scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer”. But he still ended up scoring plenty. It was an aspect of his game he worked really hard on. Whether or not Rashford will be able to improve this area of his game, I don’t know. But he doesn’t need to suddenly morph into Ruud to succeed here. To be honest, if he spent some time learning to head a fucking ball he’d get 5 more goals a season minimum. I don't think I'm wrong. When Ronaldo was 18 he single handedly murdered us when we went over to Lisbon. The entire United team told Sir Alex he simply had to buy him, end of. Has Rashford ever had that sort of allure? Even when he burst on the scene was he someone you'd look at and say "Holy shit, this guy could set the world alight." Ravel had that. Wayne had that. Ronaldo had bundles of that. Rashford never had that, he still doesn't and he probably never will. He's 23 now. Ronaldo won the Ballon D'Or at 23. Is Rashford even among the top 50 players in world football? It's up for debate yet not certain. That's what I said mate. . When that guy said if Rashford works very hard in training he could get close to Ronaldo, that's when I made my previous post. It's blood ridiculous of an expectation to have of the boy. He's a super lad, diligent and wears the shirt with pride and is probably among the top 10 players in the league but he isn't on the level of Ruud/Ronaldo, who the original poster compared him to. I think van Persie was always a fantastic striker. You could see the fundamentals in him from the beginning. Arsenal never surrounded him with the requisite talent to propel him to be a league winner but we had that in our squad. Worth noting that we didn't really need him to win the league the season before he joined - if we just held on against fucking blue scouse the title was ours. I think Fergie got him in to fuck Wayne off. And I am glad. RVP was majestic. Forgot to add that your last sentence is correct. Rashford is never going to be a striker so we cannot have striker expectations of him. He's an inverted winger for me and as such he needs to work on that part of his game. We need a proper striker, end of. If Rashford hones his skill in that role, he'll do just fine in his United career.
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Post by oscared on Mar 15, 2021 15:30:17 GMT
Ronaldo could and still can score with both feet and is an excellent header of the ball, Rashford is very right footed and cant head to save his life we saw that last night, he needs coaching to iron out his flaws but its not happening, still loads of potential but he`s not there yet.
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Post by Stretty on Mar 15, 2021 15:45:30 GMT
Ronaldo could and still can score with both feet and is an excellent header of the ball, Rashford is very right footed and cant head to save his life we saw that last night, he needs coaching to iron out his flaws but its not happening, still loads of potential but he`s not there yet. he’d better hurry up for a player that uses pace as his main asset because he will start to slow down in about 4-5 years
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Post by oscared on Mar 15, 2021 15:47:29 GMT
Ronaldo could and still can score with both feet and is an excellent header of the ball, Rashford is very right footed and cant head to save his life we saw that last night, he needs coaching to iron out his flaws but its not happening, still loads of potential but he`s not there yet. he’d better hurry up for a player that uses pace as his main asset because he will start to slow down in about 4-5 years He hasn't got good feet he stumbles over the ball a lot, not easy when he`s so fast but thats the truth.
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