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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 0:49:57 GMT
Gary Neville: "I still look at them [#mufc] and think of them as a team who win games in moments. I look at Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, they are teams. They put team performances in. That’s not to say United never do, but Ole now has to get United into a team." #mulive [sky]
Gary Neville on Manchester United: “I think you have to be a unit in and out of possession, and when you only deliver in moments, those moments won’t go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, way of playing — I still see a group of individuals playing in moments.”
I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 27, 2021 1:14:12 GMT
I didn’t enjoy the Villa match either, but we’re only a point off the pace. After midweek, we could be in good shape in the CL group. Sacking him now seems premature. But I do want to see him do something new in the midfield. Question: What if we had won the shootout against Villarreal and Ole had gotten us a trophy? Would people be ok with giving him more time? I suspect not, and that the “no trophies” talking point is just that. I keep seeing this. Are we in May? Did I sleep through the last 8 months? It's September. Being a point off the pace is utterly irrelevant at this time of year. Brighton are 2 points off the pace, are they title challengers? The oft repeated "Playing shit and winning is a sign of a great team" is used when teams generally play brilliant, but every now and then they drop their level, as every side does, but when they do they still manage to grind a win out. It's not when the team plays shite every week. The football is awful. The tactics embarrassing. As others have pointed out, even clubs like Norwich, Brentford, Leeds, Brighton, etc have very clearly defined styles. You know how they will go about things, each player knows his and his team mates jobs. We look like a bunch of strangers just cobbled together from blokes in the car park and given a ball, being told "I dunno, just go and play football". It's been 3 years, how much longer do we wait? Sacking Lampard last September might have seemed premature for Chelsea but if they had of done so they might very well have won the league. They'd have finished about United that's for sure. Instead they waited until January, and had to settle for the Champions League.
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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 4:15:29 GMT
I didn’t enjoy the Villa match either, but we’re only a point off the pace. After midweek, we could be in good shape in the CL group. Sacking him now seems premature. But I do want to see him do something new in the midfield. Question: What if we had won the shootout against Villarreal and Ole had gotten us a trophy? Would people be ok with giving him more time? I suspect not, and that the “no trophies” talking point is just that. I keep seeing this. Are we in May? Did I sleep through the last 8 months? It's September. Being a point off the pace is utterly irrelevant at this time of year. Brighton are 2 points off the pace, are they title challengers? The oft repeated "Playing shit and winning is a sign of a great team" is used when teams generally play brilliant, but every now and then they drop their level, as every side does, but when they do they still manage to grind a win out. It's not when the team plays shite every week. The football is awful. The tactics embarrassing. As others have pointed out, even clubs like Norwich, Brentford, Leeds, Brighton, etc have very clearly defined styles. You know how they will go about things, each player knows his and his team mates jobs. We look like a bunch of strangers just cobbled together from blokes in the car park and given a ball, being told "I dunno, just go and play football". It's been 3 years, how much longer do we wait? Sacking Lampard last September might have seemed premature for Chelsea but if they had of done so they might very well have won the league. They'd have finished about United that's for sure. Instead they waited until January, and had to settle for the Champions League. When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out. Rightly so. It’s September (as you say) and we are a point off the pace. So why sack him now? Because we are out of the league cup? Or because we lost against Young Boys largely because of two colossal individual errors? I don’t think he can justifiably be sacked because we don’t like the performances thus far. I also don’t think it’s been 3 years of dire play. And I also think Ole has done more for the team than Lampard did for Chelsea, so the comparisons are not apt.
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Post by redcase on Sept 27, 2021 4:21:50 GMT
I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I want us to lose. The more we lose the quicker we aren't 'one point off the top' in a false position and gormless idiots who know nothing about football use it as an excuse to not sack a clearly out of his depth manager. Big month coming up. If things go well for us we'll lose all of them and this clown gets thrown out the door.
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 27, 2021 6:00:53 GMT
I want us to lose. The more we lose the quicker we aren't 'one point off the top' in a false position and gormless idiots who know nothing about football use it as an excuse to not sack a clearly out of his depth manager. Big month coming up. If things go well for us we'll lose all of them and this clown gets thrown out the door. Never want us to lose a game but he has to go.
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Post by juanveron on Sept 27, 2021 6:03:28 GMT
Gary Neville: "I still look at them [#mufc] and think of them as a team who win games in moments. I look at Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, they are teams. They put team performances in. That’s not to say United never do, but Ole now has to get United into a team." #mulive [sky] Gary Neville on Manchester United: “I think you have to be a unit in and out of possession, and when you only deliver in moments, those moments won’t go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, way of playing — I still see a group of individuals playing in moments.” I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at. It’s all fine and dandy Garry, but you are forgetting to say one important thing: Three years of Ole managing us and this team still has no patterns of play. Time to change the manager, so we don’t waste another season.
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 27, 2021 6:12:51 GMT
When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out. Rightly so. It’s September (as you say) and we are a point off the pace. So why sack him now? Because we are out of the league cup? Or because we lost against Young Boys largely because of two colossal individual errors? I don’t think he can justifiably be sacked because we don’t like the performances thus far. I also don’t think it’s been 3 years of dire play. And I also think Ole has done more for the team than Lampard did for Chelsea, so the comparisons are not apt. It's based on the 3 years as a whole not just the defeats to Young Boys and West Ham (and Villa). There's no change. Yes it's early doors, but even after getting in the players he's wanted, it's more of the same. Why Fred and McTominay together again? Why finally get the top class right winger we've been crying out for and chasing for 2 years, and then play him on the left?! When he does play that is, as he's being stuck on the bench at the moment. Why the complete lack of a plan B, still? Why are we still crying out for a top class number 4? How is it possible? People, seriously, can't still try and blame that on the owners? How much more money does he need before it's on him? He's been backed more than any other manager in the history of this club, spending way over 400M. But "Boo, it's Ed's fault we don't have a proper midfield"?? Why's he still pandering to Pogba, leaving the likes of Sancho on the bench so someone who very blatantly does not want to be here gets games instead? Other than the odd game now and then it's generally been God awful football the whole time he's been here. If you don't think it's been dire then fair enough, but the horrendous games have far outnumbered the brilliant ones for me. Look just at last season as an example. Great, memorable "That's more like the classic United" games: Leeds 6-2 Southampton 9-0 Man City 2-0 Spurs 3-1 Liverpool 3-2 PSG 2-1 RB Leipzig 5-0 Real Sociedad 4-0 Roma 6-2 The "Jesus Christ this is shite, why is God punishing us, please just GO" games: Crystal Palace 1-3 Spurs 1-6 Brighton 3-2 (a win, after they hit the woodwork 5 times! A 7-3 defeat would literally have been fair) Arsenal 0-1 West Brom 1-0 Burnley 1-0 Sheff Utd 1-2 Arsenal 0-0 West Brom 1-1 Crystal Palace 0-0 Fulham 1-1 Leicester 1-3 That Istanbul load of shite 1-2 PSG 1-3 RB Leipzig 1-2 And on it continues into this season.
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Post by redcase on Sept 27, 2021 6:19:36 GMT
Gary Neville: "I still look at them [#mufc] and think of them as a team who win games in moments. I look at Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, they are teams. They put team performances in. That’s not to say United never do, but Ole now has to get United into a team." #mulive [sky] Gary Neville on Manchester United: “I think you have to be a unit in and out of possession, and when you only deliver in moments, those moments won’t go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, way of playing — I still see a group of individuals playing in moments.” I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at. It’s all fine and dandy Garry, but you are forgetting to say one important thing: Three years of Ole managing us and this team still has no patterns of play. Time to change the manager, so we don’t waste another season. Gary Neville's opinions on managers have as much value as his own managerial career.
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Post by redcase on Sept 27, 2021 6:22:02 GMT
When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out. Rightly so. It’s September (as you say) and we are a point off the pace. So why sack him now? Because we are out of the league cup? Or because we lost against Young Boys largely because of two colossal individual errors? I don’t think he can justifiably be sacked because we don’t like the performances thus far. I also don’t think it’s been 3 years of dire play. And I also think Ole has done more for the team than Lampard did for Chelsea, so the comparisons are not apt. It's based on the 3 years as a whole not just the defeats to Young Boys and West Ham (and Villa). There's no change. Yes it's early doors, but even after getting in the players he's wanted, it's more of the same. Why Fred and McTominay together again? Why finally get the top class right winger we've been crying out for and chasing for 2 years, and then play him on the left?! When he does play that is, as he's being stuck on the bench at the moment. Why the complete lack of a plan B, still? Why are we still crying out for a top class number 4? How is it possible? People, seriously, can't still try and blame that on the owners? How much more money does he need before it's on him? He's been backed more than any other manager in the history of this club, spending way over 400M. But "Boo, it's Ed's fault we don't have a proper midfield"?? Why's he still pandering to Pogba, leaving the likes of Sancho on the bench so someone who very blatantly does not want to be here gets games instead? Other than the odd game now and then it's generally been God awful football the whole time he's been here. If you don't think it's been dire then fair enough, but the horrendous games have far outnumbered the brilliant ones for me. Look just at last season as an example. Great, memorable "That's more like the classic United" games: Leeds 6-2 Southampton 9-0 Man City 2-0 Spurs 3-1 Liverpool 3-2 PSG 2-1 RB Leipzig 5-0 Real Sociedad 4-0 Roma 6-2 The "Jesus Christ this is shite, why is God punishing us, please just GO" games: Crystal Palace 1-3 Spurs 1-6 Brighton 3-2 (a win, after they hit the woodwork 5 times! A 7-3 defeat would literally have been fair) Arsenal 0-1 West Brom 1-0 Burnley 1-0 Sheff Utd 1-2 Arsenal 0-0 West Brom 1-1 Crystal Palace 0-0 Fulham 1-1 Leicester 1-3 That Istanbul load of shite 1-2 PSG 1-3 RB Leipzig 1-2 And on it continues into this season. We are 3 years into this asshat's tenure, we definitely are not early doors. In 2 months we've lost 3 times to shite opposition. All these twats (not you obviously) who keep talking about early doors and time, do you stem the bleeding after all the blood has drained out?
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Post by safariRed on Sept 27, 2021 6:22:53 GMT
Gary Neville: "I still look at them [#mufc] and think of them as a team who win games in moments. I look at Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, they are teams. They put team performances in. That’s not to say United never do, but Ole now has to get United into a team." #mulive [sky] Gary Neville on Manchester United: “I think you have to be a unit in and out of possession, and when you only deliver in moments, those moments won’t go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, way of playing — I still see a group of individuals playing in moments.” I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at. Do you actually watch Utd games? be honest.
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Post by safariRed on Sept 27, 2021 6:28:22 GMT
I didn’t enjoy the Villa match either, but we’re only a point off the pace. After midweek, we could be in good shape in the CL group. Sacking him now seems premature. But I do want to see him do something new in the midfield. Question: What if we had won the shootout against Villarreal and Ole had gotten us a trophy? Would people be ok with giving him more time? I suspect not, and that the “no trophies” talking point is just that. He didn't. no point in asking
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 27, 2021 6:56:36 GMT
It's based on the 3 years as a whole not just the defeats to Young Boys and West Ham (and Villa). There's no change. Yes it's early doors, but even after getting in the players he's wanted, it's more of the same. Why Fred and McTominay together again? Why finally get the top class right winger we've been crying out for and chasing for 2 years, and then play him on the left?! When he does play that is, as he's being stuck on the bench at the moment. Why the complete lack of a plan B, still? We are 3 years into this asshat's tenure, we definitely are not early doors. In 2 months we've lost 3 times to shite opposition. All these twats (not you obviously) who keep talking about early doors and time, do you stem the bleeding after all the blood has drained out? Ah, sorry, by early doors I was referring to the line "When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out." I meant, it's early doors to see what those three signings can bring to the table as they've only just arrived and played a handful of games. It's not early door for Ole, not at all.
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Post by safariRed on Sept 27, 2021 7:06:07 GMT
We are 3 years into this asshat's tenure, we definitely are not early doors. In 2 months we've lost 3 times to shite opposition. All these twats (not you obviously) who keep talking about early doors and time, do you stem the bleeding after all the blood has drained out? Ah, sorry, by early doors I was referring to the line "When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out." I meant, it's early doors to see what those three signings can bring to the table as they've only just arrived and played a handful of games. It's not early door for Ole, not at all. more like exit doors for Ole.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 27, 2021 7:14:17 GMT
I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at.Great point except that it is verifiably untrue. Solskjaer is also the one who picks the midfield and didn't sign a DM even if it was.
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Post by redcase on Sept 27, 2021 7:33:53 GMT
I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at.Great point except that it is verifiably untrue. Solskjaer is also the one who picks the midfield and didn't sign a DM even if it was. We lost to Young Boys and Villa. Is our team not better than those two? Is the lack of a world class midfielder enough to turn the wealth of talent we have into pub footballers who met after a piss up? Some of the excuses bandied about for that man's failures are pathetic.
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