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Post by Paul on Oct 26, 2021 12:40:43 GMT
If he can come in and do that then brilliant, it's what we want and more importantly what we need. But we've failed to get it right 4 times now. I'd rather not have a 5th. It's not about getting the right fit, rather than not getting the wrong one. Atm I'm reserved no matter who comes in because of past mistakes. Ed? Come again?
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Post by redcase on Oct 26, 2021 12:46:24 GMT
What constitutes the right fit? Not being smart, just genuinely interested. You have to take into account what we currently have and their age. In 3 or 4 years those players will be gone or past it. Conte might very well be a two season man but if he gets it out of those players and gives Rashford and Greenwood a taste of trophies then it will be worth it. Some managers are suited to the here and now and others aren't. We have been building for 3 years now, it's time to win something. If he can come in and do that then brilliant, it's what we want and more importantly what we need. But we've failed to get it right 4 times now. I'd rather not have a 5th. It's not about getting the right fit, rather than not getting the wrong one. Atm I'm reserved no matter who comes in because of past mistakes. So basically you want the club to do nothing and sit twiddling thumbs. That's literally what you want. Good news, they're doing just that.
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Post by Paul on Oct 26, 2021 12:48:16 GMT
If he can come in and do that then brilliant, it's what we want and more importantly what we need. But we've failed to get it right 4 times now. I'd rather not have a 5th. It's not about getting the right fit, rather than not getting the wrong one. Atm I'm reserved no matter who comes in because of past mistakes. So basically you want the club to do nothing and sit twiddling thumbs. That's literally what you want. Good news, they're doing just that. Of course I do because that's clearly what I said 🤦♂️. Jesus christ.
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Post by redcase on Oct 26, 2021 12:53:18 GMT
So basically you want the club to do nothing and sit twiddling thumbs. That's literally what you want. Good news, they're doing just that. Of course I do because that's clearly what I said 🤦♂️. Jesus christ. You're reserved, and you're scared we'll get it wrong. Which means you'd rather we do nothing no? That's what I took from your post. And you've clearly said Conte is not the right fit. Zidane isn't available either most likely. So where does that leave us? With Ole.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 26, 2021 12:53:25 GMT
This isn't a rebuild job requiring a manager with a long term vision. We've got all the pieces in place. We just need a defensive midfielder (but even without one a good manager could find a workaround), defensive organization, a tactical set up that gets the best out of the players and gets them playing as a team instead of the current situation where our performances are disjointed and we rely on individual brilliance, and a manager who is tough on the players and raises standards and instills that winning mentality. Conte could do all of those things. It is a no brainer.
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Post by hogshead on Oct 26, 2021 13:35:28 GMT
Why has he not just resigned, he must know that he is out of ideas and it has not worked out, some of the players appear not to be trying 100%, by hanging on he is only harming the club even more. We may be lucky and get something from the Spurs game as they are no great shakes and the Atalanta game but City wil tear us a new one. That should be enough for the board and the owners to finally get rid of him.
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Post by Paul on Oct 26, 2021 14:00:28 GMT
Of course I do because that's clearly what I said 🤦♂️. Jesus christ. You're reserved, and you're scared we'll get it wrong. Which means you'd rather we do nothing no? That's what I took from your post. And you've clearly said Conte is not the right fit. Zidane isn't available either most likely. So where does that leave us? With Ole. Right to be clear because what you took from it wasn't what I meant at all. I want change, I don't want us to do nothing because that makes the matter worse. I am reserved only because of the mistakes we've seemingly made with the last 4 managers, but change needs to happen, not just with the manager either but the coaching staff aswell. None of which have been good enough. This doesn't mean I want us to sit on our hands idly and do nothing. I just want whoever comes in to be the right man. That is all. Whoever comes in whether it's Conte or anybody else I will back him like I do with any other manager, I just want us to make the right decision and finally turn that corner and get back to where we should be as a club. Does that clear it up?
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Post by Paul on Oct 26, 2021 14:04:12 GMT
Why has he not just resigned, he must know that he is out of ideas and it has not worked out, some of the players appear not to be trying 100%, by hanging on he is only harming the club even more. We may be lucky and get something from the Spurs game as they are no great shakes and the Atalanta game but City wil tear us a new one. That should be enough for the board and the owners to finally get rid of him. Problem is even if you give him the Spurs game and we win we've still got City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the next few games. Not a chance in hell are we beating City or Chelsea and I've got concerns over a result with Arsenal aswell. So there's going to be points dropped so might aswell act now and avoid the inevitable. Don't see why it will take another loss and a further drop down the table to convince them to act.
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 26, 2021 14:11:42 GMT
What constitutes the right fit? Not being smart, just genuinely interested. You have to take into account what we currently have and their age. In 3 or 4 years those players will be gone or past it. Conte might very well be a two season man but if he gets it out of those players and gives Rashford and Greenwood a taste of trophies then it will be worth it. Some managers are suited to the here and now and others aren't. We have been building for 3 years now, it's time to win something. If he can come in and do that then brilliant, it's what we want and more importantly what we need. But we've failed to get it right 4 times now. I'd rather not have a 5th. It's not about getting the right fit, rather than not getting the wrong one. Atm I'm reserved no matter who comes in because of past mistakes. I get that but unfortunately we have no choice. You have to select the best available surely? I don't want another caretaker coach coming in, winning 6 on the bounce only to see us repeat the same mistake once Ole was given the role permanently. There's no certainties in football and sometimes you have to gamble and I'd rather gamble on a proven coach instead of fumbling around and experimenting with hopefuls. I hear murmurs that Ole will still be here for the Spurs game. No other club at our level would have accepted such a miserable result. What's the point keeping him in the job now that the players don't want him.
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Post by Paul on Oct 26, 2021 14:20:55 GMT
If he can come in and do that then brilliant, it's what we want and more importantly what we need. But we've failed to get it right 4 times now. I'd rather not have a 5th. It's not about getting the right fit, rather than not getting the wrong one. Atm I'm reserved no matter who comes in because of past mistakes. I get that but unfortunately we have no choice. You have to select the best available surely? I don't want another caretaker coach coming in, winning 6 on the bounce only to see us repeat the same mistake once Ole was given the role permanently. There's no certainties in football and sometimes you have to gamble and I'd rather gamble on a proven coach instead of fumbling around and experimenting with hopefuls. I hear murmurs that Ole will still be here for the Spurs game. No other club at our level would have accepted such a miserable result. What's the point keeping him in the job now that the players don't want him. Nah I get that and can't disagree with what you've said. Last thing we need is to repeat past mistakes like that. I don't see the difference between replacing him now and replacing him after the Spurs game tbh. It's going to happen one way or the other. Might aswell rip off the band aid and change things now. Aslong as whoever comes in improves shit and gets us heading in the right direction I really don't care. A lot of it is just frustration and wanting to avoid past fates.
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Post by safariRed on Oct 27, 2021 16:50:24 GMT
Probably the understatement of the year but Spurs need a result against us.
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