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Post by Stretty on Feb 26, 2024 22:24:09 GMT
Can argue the toss about signings and who is at fault for them but it doesn’t excuse how he can’t implement a playing style. Injuries are a shit excuse in this regard too. A decent manager with a shit squad still manages to get the best out of those players. Look at what Klopp managed to get out of a team of kids on Sunday. Yet we should sympathise with ETH over Antony as he shouldn’t have been allowed to sign him in the first place? Just look at our last title winning squad which proves your point perfectly. |
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Post by juanveron on Feb 27, 2024 5:17:46 GMT
I’ve often stated that until we get a proper structure in place the manager isn’t the problem. We’re soon going to have that proper structure.
Personally, I am OK with giving ETH another season to see if he can improve a lot with the new setup, but I will also be perfectly content if we bring in someone else who the new management believe in.
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Post by Stew on Feb 27, 2024 7:29:41 GMT
I’ve often stated that until we get a proper structure in place the manager isn’t the problem. We’re soon going to have that proper structure. Personally, I am OK with giving ETH another season to see if he can improve a lot with the new setup, but I will also be perfectly content if we bring in someone else who the new management believe in. To me, this is 100% it. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 27, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
I’ve often stated that until we get a proper structure in place the manager isn’t the problem. We’re soon going to have that proper structure. Personally, I am OK with giving ETH another season to see if he can improve a lot with the new setup, but I will also be perfectly content if we bring in someone else who the new management believe in. Sorry, I'm at a loss to understand how the upper management is to blame for the manager unable to implement any kind of coherent style on the pitch? Or for him taking sole responsibility to identify transfer targets and their subsequent rubbish performances? |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Feb 27, 2024 8:18:36 GMT
I can't help feeling we should stick with Ten Hag.
At the very least, give him another season after a Summer with a proper recruitment structure.
People slag Ten Hag's recruitment(s), but to me it just screams there is nobody doing a proper job at the club. The man went for the only known quantities in his successful time at Ajax, with little support/push-back from the club.
I'd like our gaffer to be a coach and man manager, to identify talent in his team and to bring the best out of such. Don't expect him to trawl Football Manager for talent, hire best in class to do that.
Not against someone like Nagelsmann, but provided Ten Hag qualifies for the CL he should probably get another season.
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Post by caino on Feb 27, 2024 9:20:32 GMT
I’ve often stated that until we get a proper structure in place the manager isn’t the problem. We’re soon going to have that proper structure. Personally, I am OK with giving ETH another season to see if he can improve a lot with the new setup, but I will also be perfectly content if we bring in someone else who the new management believe in. Sorry, I'm at a loss to understand how the upper management is to blame for the manager unable to implement any kind of coherent style on the pitch? Or for him taking sole responsibility to identify transfer targets and their subsequent rubbish performances? the board allowed the 2 only fit left backs at the club to leave. leaving an injury prone shaw and a fucked malacia. how can a coach implement a style of football with no left back ? that will have had something do with FFP the board wouldnt replace Martial and left him with a 20 year Hojlund as his only striker. they can say we hope more from martial but hes been doing this for 8 years now. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Feb 27, 2024 10:18:53 GMT
Just on ETH 2 years ago he was touted as one of the best coaches in the world, 18 months at Manchester united and now he's an absolute dud,he's made mistakes but no manager since fergie has succeeded, for personally if we bring a new manager in the. Firstly we need to purge the whole squad pretty much, a new manager can not be coming in and still having to play the likes of Maguire lindelof dalot Scotty rashford ect.
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Post by caino on Feb 27, 2024 10:30:34 GMT
Just on ETH 2 years ago he was touted as one of the best coaches in the world, 18 months at Manchester united and now he's an absolute dud,he's made mistakes but no manager since fergie has succeeded, for personally if we bring a new manager in the. Firstly we need to purge the whole squad pretty much, a new manager can not be coming in and still having to play the likes of Maguire lindelof dalot Scotty rashford ect. Jose saying finishing 2nd was his great feat and everyone hated that. but really its probably the truth. ETH has a squad made up of LVG, Jose, Ole and his own signing. it took Pep, Klopp and even arteta a few seasons to nail his ideas down. the squad needs a total purge and a reset. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Feb 27, 2024 12:20:05 GMT
Just on ETH 2 years ago he was touted as one of the best coaches in the world, 18 months at Manchester united and now he's an absolute dud,he's made mistakes but no manager since fergie has succeeded, for personally if we bring a new manager in the. Firstly we need to purge the whole squad pretty much, a new manager can not be coming in and still having to play the likes of Maguire lindelof dalot Scotty rashford ect. Jose saying finishing 2nd was his great feat and everyone hated that. but really its probably the truth. ETH has a squad made up of LVG, Jose, Ole and his own signing. it took Pep, Klopp and even arteta a few seasons to nail his ideas down. the squad needs a total purge and a reset. You could still see what those managers were hoping to achieve during those periods though. With us I’m completely at a loss as to what it is we’re supposed to be doing or what we’re meant to be. Less renowned managers than ETH get plenty out of average/shit groups of players and are able to develop a playing style. But we’re supposed to accept he can’t do it with this group of expensively-assembled players? |
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Post by unitedsotex on Feb 27, 2024 14:14:30 GMT
I’ve often stated that until we get a proper structure in place the manager isn’t the problem. We’re soon going to have that proper structure. Personally, I am OK with giving ETH another season to see if he can improve a lot with the new setup, but I will also be perfectly content if we bring in someone else who the new management believe in. Sorry, I'm at a loss to understand how the upper management is to blame for the manager unable to implement any kind of coherent style on the pitch? Or for him taking sole responsibility to identify transfer targets and their subsequent rubbish performances? This club has eaten elite coaches like it was nothing and everyone of them has spoken about the culture and front office issues. One is a coincidence, all them should be a serious red flag as to why these managers weren't successful. Jose Rangnick LVG and now ETH These coaches have all had to basically handle it all on their own because the people above them are useless Glazer Yes men that don't know football operations if it punched them in the face. That is not a system that sets any coach up for success and it has shown. If seen multiple comments out of Ajax fans/media saying the ETH only had to worry about the field stuff and the people above him took care of the rest. Shit even Rooney has recently come out and talked about how bad it got in the locker room less than 1 season after Fergie retired. Ronaldo says nothing changed in the 10+ yrs after he left. I want to be clear though, his lack of structure or identity on the pitch is a major concern for me when it comes to ETH |
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Post by bushy1987 on Feb 27, 2024 14:15:36 GMT
What ever the problems are and there have been loads, the main one is that this club isn't set up to win on the pitch and it hasn't been for over 10 years, football became secondary and it's been shown time and time again with some of the footballing decisions, hopefully going forward that will all change, it certainly looks like sjr is going to give it a good go anyway.
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Post by Stew on Feb 27, 2024 14:22:04 GMT
Ten Hag was as highly touted two years ago as the likes of Amorim are now.
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Post by caino on Feb 27, 2024 14:43:40 GMT
Jose saying finishing 2nd was his great feat and everyone hated that. but really its probably the truth. ETH has a squad made up of LVG, Jose, Ole and his own signing. it took Pep, Klopp and even arteta a few seasons to nail his ideas down. the squad needs a total purge and a reset. You could still see what those managers were hoping to achieve during those periods though. With us I’m completely at a loss as to what it is we’re supposed to be doing or what we’re meant to be. Less renowned managers than ETH get plenty out of average/shit groups of players and are able to develop a playing style. But we’re supposed to accept he can’t do it with this group of expensively-assembled players? when the squad is available to him we have played good football that attacks well. yeh we concede chances but all attacking teams do. we have previously loved - "you score but we will score more" ethos. fair enough there have been bad signings under ETH but lets be honest, they arent his first choice signings as the club can never secure No.1 choices as previously shown he asked for a player similar to FDJ - the club give him Casemiro and Mount - two totally different players. the club needs purging before ETH is shown the door. imo he deserves a last chance with a squad that is his own and a competent board room taking ownership of club issues (ronaldo, greenwood, antony, maguire) if he doesnt succeed with new ownership go to the next flavour of the month (amorim / alonso / de zerbi) |
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Post by Tatty on Feb 27, 2024 16:23:38 GMT
Ten Hag was as highly touted two years ago as the likes of Amorim are now. He was a cunt hair from CL final with basically a bunch of kids and Dusan Tadic. I'd be excited to see what ETH could do, given the opportunity to mould a young team. The lads really ripping it up for us at the moment are the 'kids' Hojlund, Garnacho, Mainoo and to a lesser degree Dalot. |
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Post by viking22 on Feb 27, 2024 16:48:39 GMT
The thing is I cannot really remember many good team performances from Erik this season. It is always a few key players bailing us out as we struggle to narrow wins over mediocre teams. In his first season there were a few good performances in the big games that gave us some hope. But he seems to have lost that ability to be pragmatic. Honestly I do not know what he is trying to do but there is little in the way of team identity or team style. It is just continued reliance on key players to step up and make a difference. Last season it was Casemiro and Rashford. This season it is Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund.
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