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Post by mightyez on May 13, 2024 8:44:01 GMT
See the difference between SJR and the Glazers is that I genuinely believe SJR will feel absolutely embarrassed by the videos of OT yesterday whereas the Glazers would not care one bit.
Anyone thinking near 20 years of damage can be undone in 3 months really needs to find another club to support.
The club needs massive surgery everywhere, not just on the pitch. Neglect, complacency, arrogance, stupidity you name it.... It's not just crept in at every level, it's taken a hold.
The whole club has the attitude of 'who cares, as long as I get paid, I am good'. No pride taken anymore, the work that was done for years by others has been undone.
I wanted Qatar for the money but I think for personality and drive to weed out garbage at every level and allow no one to hide, SJR is best placed.
In a perfect world the 2 would have worked together and there would be no Glazers around.
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Post by ratbag on May 13, 2024 9:00:37 GMT
See the difference between SJR and the Glazers is that I genuinely believe SJR will feel absolutely embarrassed by the videos of OT yesterday whereas the Glazers would not care one bit. Anyone thinking near 20 years of damage can be undone in 3 months really needs to find another club to support. The club needs massive surgery everywhere, not just on the pitch. Neglect, complacency, arrogance, stupidity you name it.... It's not just crept in at every level, it's taken a hold. The whole club has the attitude of 'who cares, as long as I get paid, I am good'. No pride taken anymore, the work that was done for years by others has been undone. I wanted Qatar for the money but I think for personality and drive to weed out garbage at every level and allow no one to hide, SJR is best placed. In a perfect world the 2 would have worked together and there would be no Glazers around. I still harbour the (highly unlikely) hope that SJR and Qatar might get together and oust the Glazers… But I do know that it’s dreamland… |
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Post by johnboy14 on May 13, 2024 10:43:26 GMT
See the difference between SJR and the Glazers is that I genuinely believe SJR will feel absolutely embarrassed by the videos of OT yesterday whereas the Glazers would not care one bit. Anyone thinking near 20 years of damage can be undone in 3 months really needs to find another club to support. The club needs massive surgery everywhere, not just on the pitch. Neglect, complacency, arrogance, stupidity you name it.... It's not just crept in at every level, it's taken a hold. The whole club has the attitude of 'who cares, as long as I get paid, I am good'. No pride taken anymore, the work that was done for years by others has been undone. I wanted Qatar for the money but I think for personality and drive to weed out garbage at every level and allow no one to hide, SJR is best placed. In a perfect world the 2 would have worked together and there would be no Glazers around. Nailed it. In the short term with some changes you could maybe give us supporters something to shout about but I'd rather see the changes needed to get us into a position to compete long term. I've seen enormous success as a supporter, therefore I'm fine taking 5 years to rebuild the club but we need to see changes going in the right direction. I don't believe in Ten Hag as a coach primarily on the grounds of the players he's signed. He wasted enormous amounts of money already. He has to go and the owners need to somehow get rid of alot of these mercenary players we have. Getting rid of ETH is easy, it's getting rid of the players that's the problem |
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Post by alwaysUnited on May 13, 2024 10:53:17 GMT
See the difference between SJR and the Glazers is that I genuinely believe SJR will feel absolutely embarrassed by the videos of OT yesterday whereas the Glazers would not care one bit. Anyone thinking near 20 years of damage can be undone in 3 months really needs to find another club to support. The club needs massive surgery everywhere, not just on the pitch. Neglect, complacency, arrogance, stupidity you name it.... It's not just crept in at every level, it's taken a hold. The whole club has the attitude of 'who cares, as long as I get paid, I am good'. No pride taken anymore, the work that was done for years by others has been undone. I wanted Qatar for the money but I think for personality and drive to weed out garbage at every level and allow no one to hide, SJR is best placed. In a perfect world the 2 would have worked together and there would be no Glazers around. I still harbour the (highly unlikely) hope that SJR and Qatar might get together and oust the Glazers… But I do know that it’s dreamland… Ratcliff was taking digs against the Sheikh in one of his interview claiming he didnt show the proof for source of fund. Even joked he doubted if the sheikh really existed. I mean , he is a Sheikh from the royal family of qatar , not some random dude on instagram trying to get few likes using Manchester United. |
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Post by viking22 on May 13, 2024 11:41:46 GMT
My understanding is there are provisions in place that will allow INEOS to increase their ownership stake in coming years. Obviously at much higher prices as Glazers will want to ensure they benefit from any upside from any turnaround under INEOS. But I am sure that INEOS understand that even with control of footballing operations without control of the purse strings they won't be able to get us back to the top.
Agree that any turnaround will take at least 3-5 years. And with FFP it will take at least that long to assemble a squad that can challenge for the biggest trophies even with much better recruitment. But if we keep Erik next year will be a write off as well. He's already cost us hundreds of millions with the crap signings he's made, missing out on the Champions League knock-out stages this season and Champions League for next season.
And what is the use of improving recruitment if they just end up getting injured because of Erik's training sessions and tactics?
Unfortunately I have a feeling that INEOS will be reluctant to pay Erik off and won't be confident in their ability to select a new manager until the new team of Ashworth/Wilcox/Berrada have started work and settled in and put together a long term vision. And will give him the benefit of the doubt over the injury issues and see if things improve under the new structure.
But it will be a very costly mistake. Erik knows he doesn't have the full backing of INEOS and that is contributing to his irrationality and instability. The players will know it too and they know that all they have to do is down tools to force his sacking. And that is going to mean that next season is going to be a write off and we will miss out on Champions League football again.
They'd be much better off getting someone experienced and competent who can steady the ship for the next few years while INEOS improve training ground/recruitment/academy etc. and then a few years down the line appoint someone who can realize the long term vision.
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Post by king nothing on May 13, 2024 14:17:18 GMT
This clown manager has to go now , get someone new in for the FA cup final, at least it will be some sort of surprise to Pep. New manager bounce may help us get over the line against city and get a trophy. Casemiro was one of the best in his position when we got him from Madrid , he had an excellent first season , now couple of years under our coaches and facilities he look championship level. Pretty sure we would have made Modric , Kroos look like past it oldies in this setup. Get Jose in... |
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Post by mightyez on May 13, 2024 14:27:12 GMT
Looks like the workers are already on the roof at OT
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Post by johnboy14 on May 13, 2024 14:33:32 GMT
Looks like the workers are already on the roof at OT Welding away like ship builders |
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Post by unitedsotex on May 13, 2024 16:15:26 GMT
Arsenal should have put their foot on our throats after the first goal, but they were happy conserving energy and let us do more of the leg work because they knew how fucking pathetic we are in attack without Bruno.....
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Post by alwaysUnited on May 13, 2024 17:29:46 GMT
They'd be much better off getting someone experienced and competent who can steady the ship for the next few years while INEOS improve training ground/recruitment/academy etc. and then a few years down the line appoint someone who can realize the long term vision. I feel like we United fans are over complicating things , there is no foolproof, intricate, long term master plan which will bring us success. We need the best players , best facilities and we need the best managers. Thats what Bayern do , thats what Real Madrid do , thats what Chelsea under Roman did, thats what PSG and City owners did. Unless all the stars align and we get a sudden influx of world class talents its going to take money. Buying these 19 or 20 year olds and waiting 5 years to see if they are good enough is also not an option anymore. Standards are getting lowered every year, whenever we say we are in rebuilding stage we are lowering expectations on the squad and they will feel its ok to give less than 100%. Genuinely worried one more season under these conditions is going to ruin the likes of Mainoo , Garnacho and Hojlund. |
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Post by unitedsotex on May 13, 2024 19:01:00 GMT
They'd be much better off getting someone experienced and competent who can steady the ship for the next few years while INEOS improve training ground/recruitment/academy etc. and then a few years down the line appoint someone who can realize the long term vision. I feel like we United fans are over complicating things , there is no foolproof, intricate, long term master plan which will bring us success. We need the best players , best facilities and we need the best managers. Thats what Bayern do , thats what Real Madrid do , thats what Chelsea under Roman did, thats what PSG and City owners did. Unless all the stars align and we get a sudden influx of world class talents its going to take money. Buying these 19 or 20 year olds and waiting 5 years to see if they are good enough is also not an option anymore. Standards are getting lowered every year, whenever we say we are in rebuilding stage we are lowering expectations on the squad and they will feel its ok to give less than 100%. Genuinely worried one more season under these conditions is going to ruin the likes of Mainoo , Garnacho and Hojlund. If they let him stay for next season then they have to be keeping him on a short leash of a 6 month evaluation.... they give him some players to work with in the summer and we still look hopeless lost on the pitch by late Nov at best then it should be curtains for him. Like you said, we have 3 players that have all the promise in the world to be great players and we don't need dip shit ruining them or having them turning in transfer requests. |
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Post by Paul on May 13, 2024 19:10:24 GMT
Think he will stay tbh and I do hope he can turn it around under a better, more competent structure. The problem is for him to turn it around we need to attract top players aswell and getting rid of shit ones, now probably without European football aswell. It really is a miracle ask.
I do think at times this season with certain players available we would be in a different position. That being said there's also the lack of tactical awareness and in game management that has been absent, which should he stay needs to massively improve.
At this moment in time I'm just looking forward to seeing the back of certain players.
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Post by viking22 on May 13, 2024 22:20:18 GMT
You can have the best structure in the world. But it is still the manager who is running the training session, picking the teams, choosing the tactics, making the in-game management decisions and making the subs.
I've seen no evidence at all this season that Erik has the humility or self-awareness to turn things around. He sounds like a relegation team manager the way he keeps praising the players for fighting every game. And no doubt having to fight every game until the dying minutes along with the high intensity training sessions is why half our team is always injured.
If he stays another year I think the only thing keeping me going is the knowledge that with proper football people at the helm they won't be deceived by a temporary run of good form the way Ed Woodward always was and extend his contract and will take the time to line up a good replacement for next summer. And Erik's ability to make players look even worse than they really are will hopefully accelerate the rebuild.
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