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Post by viking22 on Sept 27, 2024 15:46:11 GMT
You raise some valid points and no one is expecting us to challenge for the title this season or win every game and it would be understandable if we get bested by other top 6 sides.
But it is worrying that we still seem to struggle to beat weak opposition. Even allowing for the factors you raised such as an attack which is still pretty raw and probably needs a few additions, injuries, and the less than ideal pre-season.
Erik should get until the year end before INEOS pass final judgement. But there should by then be enough evidence that he is moving us forward because if there isn't then we should get rid rather than waiting a few seasons until we have world class players in every position because none of his predecessors got that.
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Post by Paul on Sept 27, 2024 16:27:18 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. People are thinking with their hearts and not their heads with Ole. Yes it was a better brand of football but 400m and 3 years later it led to nothing. Not forgetting we got kicked at home 6-1 to Spurs and 5-0 to the vermin. I love Ole but his tactics weren't much better, was just relying on counter attacking football. There's certainly no guarantee he would fare better 2nd time around. If I happened I'd back him obv, but I don't see it happening anyway. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 27, 2024 16:54:49 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. People are thinking with their hearts and not their heads with Ole. Yes it was a better brand of football but 400m and 3 years later it led to nothing. Not forgetting we got kicked at home 6-1 to Spurs and 5-0 to the vermin. I love Ole but his tactics weren't much better, was just relying on counter attacking football. There's certainly no guarantee he would fare better 2nd time around. If I happened I'd back him obv, but I don't see it happening anyway. Nail on the head. If anything, I'd rather have Ruud as caretaker - at least it will be a new brand of nostalgia. Perhaps it ends differently. Felt awful with how things ended for Ole, and the grief is still too near. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 27, 2024 17:59:39 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. People are thinking with their hearts and not their heads with Ole. Yes it was a better brand of football but 400m and 3 years later it led to nothing. Not forgetting we got kicked at home 6-1 to Spurs and 5-0 to the vermin. I love Ole but his tactics weren't much better, was just relying on counter attacking football. There's certainly no guarantee he would fare better 2nd time around. If I happened I'd back him obv, but I don't see it happening anyway. I wasn't really being serious as I don't think anyone regarding ole is, but if your asking me ole now until the end of the season over the shite Eth is serving us then it's ole all day for me, like kojak was alluding too atleast he is someone we all actually like and love as a utd fan, but obviously going forward we need a top level elite coach but Eth isn't the man and we need to just bite the bullet before the whole season is wasted. |
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Post by caino on Sept 27, 2024 18:25:22 GMT
People are thinking with their hearts and not their heads with Ole. Yes it was a better brand of football but 400m and 3 years later it led to nothing. Not forgetting we got kicked at home 6-1 to Spurs and 5-0 to the vermin. I love Ole but his tactics weren't much better, was just relying on counter attacking football. There's certainly no guarantee he would fare better 2nd time around. If I happened I'd back him obv, but I don't see it happening anyway. I wasn't really being serious as I don't think anyone regarding ole is, but if your asking me ole now until the end of the season over the shite Eth is serving us then it's ole all day for me, like kojak was alluding too atleast he is someone we all actually like and love as a utd fan, but obviously going forward we need a top level elite coach but Eth isn't the man and we need to just bite the bullet before the whole season is wasted. That’s the big question though, who ? Who comes in ? A young manager for a long term project ? A big ego that does play well and win but could be here for 2 possibly 3 years ? I honestly have no real stand out candidate. Liverpool went left field and signed a coach that suits them and how they want to play. Even young managers that’s are highly rated could fold under the pressure at the club, it’s not like Brighton signing a young coach the expectations are immense. I think that’s a reason he’s still here too as there isn’t a perfect fit at the moment. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 27, 2024 18:31:27 GMT
People are thinking with their hearts and not their heads with Ole. Yes it was a better brand of football but 400m and 3 years later it led to nothing. Not forgetting we got kicked at home 6-1 to Spurs and 5-0 to the vermin. I love Ole but his tactics weren't much better, was just relying on counter attacking football. There's certainly no guarantee he would fare better 2nd time around. If I happened I'd back him obv, but I don't see it happening anyway. I wasn't really being serious as I don't think anyone regarding ole is, but if your asking me ole now until the end of the season over the shite Eth is serving us then it's ole all day for me, like kojak was alluding too atleast he is someone we all actually like and love as a utd fan, but obviously going forward we need a top level elite coach but Eth isn't the man and we need to just bite the bullet before the whole season is wasted. Wasn't necessarily aimed at you mate. Seen a lot of people begging for it to happen saying the same thing is what I was referring to more. But yeah if it was an option over stocking with what we have then it's an obvious answer. We've gone down this road too many times now. New set up, new direction so whoever does come in, it needs to be the right guy. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 27, 2024 18:52:28 GMT
I wasn't really being serious as I don't think anyone regarding ole is, but if your asking me ole now until the end of the season over the shite Eth is serving us then it's ole all day for me, like kojak was alluding too atleast he is someone we all actually like and love as a utd fan, but obviously going forward we need a top level elite coach but Eth isn't the man and we need to just bite the bullet before the whole season is wasted. That’s the big question though, who ? Who comes in ? A young manager for a long term project ? A big ego that does play well and win but could be here for 2 possibly 3 years ? I honestly have no real stand out candidate. Liverpool went left field and signed a coach that suits them and how they want to play. Even young managers that’s are highly rated could fold under the pressure at the club, it’s not like Brighton signing a young coach the expectations are immense. I think that’s a reason he’s still here too as there isn’t a perfect fit at the moment. Honestly mate I don't know who it is we get, Manchester United should be hiring the best in class every single time, but since moyes it's just been the wrong decision every single time, added to 20 years of glazer destruction this will take more then one window with ineos, I can easily see us going through 2 or 3 managers over the next few years until someone clicks with the club the same way klopp did with pool. Naglesman would still be my first choice as I think he could possibly build us up to the level similar to what arteta has done with arsenal, but what we have all got eyes and we can see this current set up with Eth just isn't working, he failed at the club the day he gave up his Ajax principles. |
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Post by caino on Sept 28, 2024 10:19:04 GMT
That’s the big question though, who ? Who comes in ? A young manager for a long term project ? A big ego that does play well and win but could be here for 2 possibly 3 years ? I honestly have no real stand out candidate. Liverpool went left field and signed a coach that suits them and how they want to play. Even young managers that’s are highly rated could fold under the pressure at the club, it’s not like Brighton signing a young coach the expectations are immense. I think that’s a reason he’s still here too as there isn’t a perfect fit at the moment. Honestly mate I don't know who it is we get, Manchester United should be hiring the best in class every single time, but since moyes it's just been the wrong decision every single time, added to 20 years of glazer destruction this will take more then one window with ineos, I can easily see us going through 2 or 3 managers over the next few years until someone clicks with the club the same way klopp did with pool. Naglesman would still be my first choice as I think he could possibly build us up to the level similar to what arteta has done with arsenal, but what we have all got eyes and we can see this current set up with Eth just isn't working, he failed at the club the day he gave up his Ajax principles. Emery is the best option out there but it would mean a tough negotiation with villa and him. I doubt he would leave villa just after getting them into the CL either so that’s something for the summer. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 28, 2024 10:37:31 GMT
Honestly mate I don't know who it is we get, Manchester United should be hiring the best in class every single time, but since moyes it's just been the wrong decision every single time, added to 20 years of glazer destruction this will take more then one window with ineos, I can easily see us going through 2 or 3 managers over the next few years until someone clicks with the club the same way klopp did with pool. Naglesman would still be my first choice as I think he could possibly build us up to the level similar to what arteta has done with arsenal, but what we have all got eyes and we can see this current set up with Eth just isn't working, he failed at the club the day he gave up his Ajax principles. Emery is the best option out there but it would mean a tough negotiation with villa and him. I doubt he would leave villa just after getting them into the CL either so that’s something for the summer. On paper yes, he's done an amazing Job at villa but like someone above said, the expectations here are absolutely massive. Villa traditionally are happy to survive. He didn't do well at Arsenal either. Its really hard to manage this club. Maybe it would be easier, so i wouldn't say no. I wouldn't say no to De Zebri either by the way. |
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Post by caino on Sept 28, 2024 12:03:56 GMT
Emery is the best option out there but it would mean a tough negotiation with villa and him. I doubt he would leave villa just after getting them into the CL either so that’s something for the summer. On paper yes, he's done an amazing Job at villa but like someone above said, the expectations here are absolutely massive. Villa traditionally are happy to survive. He didn't do well at Arsenal either. Its really hard to manage this club. Maybe it would be easier, so i wouldn't say no. I wouldn't say no to De Zebri either by the way. Arsenal had their own problems when he was there. Our club seams to be more settled now and he would be a top coach for it. I don’t know of any other coaches that are on that level. He’s won major trophies, plays good football, managed big clubs and a good age. If the club wanted to be big he should be the man they go for. That’s a summer project tho and there’s still no saying he leaves villa. It depends how they do in the league and in Europe |
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 28, 2024 12:31:14 GMT
On paper yes, he's done an amazing Job at villa but like someone above said, the expectations here are absolutely massive. Villa traditionally are happy to survive. He didn't do well at Arsenal either. Its really hard to manage this club. Maybe it would be easier, so i wouldn't say no. I wouldn't say no to De Zebri either by the way. Arsenal had their own problems when he was there. Our club seams to be more settled now and he would be a top coach for it. I don’t know of any other coaches that are on that level. He’s won major trophies, plays good football, managed big clubs and a good age. If the club wanted to be big he should be the man they go for. That’s a summer project tho and there’s still no saying he leaves villa. It depends how they do in the league and in Europe I think if he was offered the job he'd want it. Despite what people say, he's probably very keen to prove a point after what happened at Arsenal |
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